Here's How To Live To 110 !

[librarising]

When I'm not googling something diabetes-related, I'm often googling something hypothyroid-related.
I was reading something about carbs and hypothyroid when the article linked to this

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/08/wh ... ntenarian/

It's an article by Paul Jaminet, showing the diets that people who live to 110 (supercentenarians) follow :

Supercentenarian diets come in two basic flavors:

1) Calorie-restriction and intermittent fasting.

2) High (saturated and monounsaturated) fat low-carb diets.

He cites the example of "Gertrude Baines, who lived to be the world’s oldest person on a steady diet of crispy bacon, fried chicken and ice cream, died Friday at a nursing home. She was 115."
Someone else who died at 115 "especially enjoyed eggs, sausage, bacon and fried chicken."

Fasting ?
or
bacon, chicken, eggs, sausages and ice cream ?

For me it's a no brainer (no pain, no pain is my motto)

Worth a quick read, especially if you're considering IF

Geoff

 

[GraceK]

When I'm not googling something diabetes-related, I'm often googling something hypothyroid-related.
I was reading something about carbs and hypothyroid when the article linked to this

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/08/wh ... ntenarian/

It's an article by Paul Jaminet, showing the diets that people who live to 110 (supercentenarians) follow :

Supercentenarian diets come in two basic flavors:

1) Calorie-restriction and intermittent fasting.

2) High (saturated and monounsaturated) fat low-carb diets.

He cites the example of "Gertrude Baines, who lived to be the world’s oldest person on a steady diet of crispy bacon, fried chicken and ice cream, died Friday at a nursing home. She was 115."
Someone else who died at 115 "especially enjoyed eggs, sausage, bacon and fried chicken."

Fasting ?
or
bacon, chicken, eggs, sausages and ice cream ?

For me it's a no brainer (no pain, no pain is my motto)

Worth a quick read, especially if you're considering IF

Geoff

I'm off to get me some ice cream! I've got all the other stuff in.

 

[AMBrennan]

How can you eat a steady diet of ice cream and fried chicken and low carb? KFC pieces have 8g carbs per piece (batter) and ice cream has 26g carbs per 100g. Unless her diet is 90% bacon, I can't how that could add up to a low carb diet

 

[Grazer]

Remarkably, KFC aren't the only people in the world to fry chicken. You don't have to put batter (the carb content) on chicken before you fry it.

 

[librarising]

AMBrennan wrote
How can you eat a steady diet of ice cream and fried chicken and low carb?

Here's how to eat low-carb fried chicken

http://ask.metafilter.com/122114/Is-it-really-possible

I suspect these ladies were eating fried chicken long before Colonel Sanders.
I also suspect ice cream wasn't a major part of their diet. The words are from MSNBC and LA Times, not Jaminet.
I certainly won't be suddenly gulping down the ice cream, nor I suspect will GraceK.

I notice there's no mention of putting it down to taking a statin, and doing what the doctor ordered.
No surprise there, then

Geoff

 

[Patch]

For me it's a no brainer (no pain, no pain is my motto)

That's very similar to my own motto:

"No Pain - GOOD!"

 

[GraceK]

AMBrennan wrote
How can you eat a steady diet of ice cream and fried chicken and low carb?

Here's how to eat low-carb fried chicken

http://ask.metafilter.com/122114/Is-it-really-possible

I suspect these ladies were eating fried chicken long before Colonel Sanders.
I also suspect ice cream wasn't a major part of their diet. The words are from MSNBC and LA Times, not Jaminet.
I certainly won't be suddenly gulping down the ice cream, nor I suspect will GraceK.

I notice there's no mention of putting it down to taking a statin, and doing what the doctor ordered.
No surprise there, then

Geoff

Oddly enough, I used to fry chicken thighs in butter before the Fat Police got on my case. Just rub the skin with salt and pepper and a chunk of butter in the pan and your good to go. As for the ice cream, I haven't had the nerve to buy it yet, I'm not tolerating carbs well at all lately and I only eat about 50g a day if that. So even my Hovis Crackers may need to go.

 

[phoenix]

How Jeanne Calment's diet containing olive oil, port, a kilo of chocolate and a couple of cigarettes a day? I suspect there might be a bit more to it than that!

more on her here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Best be a woman. In our commune in a population of 822, 133 are over 75 , 76 women and 57 men but those over 90 are all women, including one neighbour who is 104.
Populations that are long lived might have some things in common and not all to do with diet
I think that our local elderly women share quite a few things with people on this list.
http://www.bluezones.com/live-longer/power-9/

 

[Daibell]

Hi. I'm afraid longevity has more to do with your inherited genes than diet

 

[AMBrennan]

I am aware that it's possible to fry chicken without batter - but I'd have thought that that would be referred to as "chicken" (it's implied that you're not eating it raw). And I can't imagine it soaking up that much fat without the batter.

And in my defence, if you look up "fried chicken", Wikipedia claims that it's KFC-style southern fried chicken. The main reason I quoted nutrition info on KFC chicken is that they have nutrition information available online, which the local takeaway at the corner does not.

 

[viviennem]

I once read a (possibly apocryphal) story about an Idaho farmer who lived to over 100 and never ate anything but steak with potatoes and gravy.

Mmmm!

Viv 8)

 

[Nikkig]

I used to care for an elderly lady who lived to 98. She ate a fried brekkie every morning (cooked in lard :sick: at her insistence) followed by tea and a cigarette! Bedtime was always preceded by a large slog of scotch. She was amazing!

 

[GraceK]

My Granddad was born in 1885 and lived to the age of 94.

His diet consisted of porridge, bacon, eggs, cheese, butter, bread, beef, potatoes, veggies, fruit cake, tea, Guinness and a tot of black rum before bedtime every night. He walked 6 miles to work and back every day and he never ever ate large meals. He was tall and slim and never ever put an ounce of weight on in his life. He was raised on a farm as a child but was an office worker so quite sedentary. He wasn't particularly active other than walking 6 miles to work and back every day. He died in his sleep with a full head of silver hair.

My Grandmother on the other hand, was in service as a housekeeper until she was 34 when she married my Granddad. She then had 7 children in quick succession from 1921 onwards and from what I've been told she was extremely houseproud and didn't stop shopping, cooking, washing, cleaning and nursing children from morning until night. There were no washing machines or central heating or dishwashers in those days and she didn't look after herself particularly well because she didn't have the time. She died of TB aged 62 and one of her children also died of TB, in her late teens.

My mother had a similar diet to my Granddad but without the Guinness and rum and she lived to 81. But she and her siblings were never in the best of health.

Both Granddad and Mum had quite limited diets, they liked what they liked and didn't feel the need to try lots of different foods. My mother used to drive me crazy with her refusal to try anything 'different', but I think there might be something in that if I'm honest. I've always like a lot of variation in my diet and when I was younger that was fine, but as I've got older my digestion is awful and I've found myself having to go back to basics.

So maybe the secret is to stick to what you know suits you. :think:

 

[Defren]

Hi. I'm afraid longevity has more to do with your inherited genes than diet

I used to believe this, but not any more. I firmly believe diet plays a part in good health as well as longevity. However, I am not talking about the NHS prescribed diet. Over the months I have read so much stuff, and it all points away from low fat dieting. The low carb high fat diet seems to be the one making us live longer, along with exercise and a slowing down of the HGF-1. I am now convinced that finding a way to reduce HGF-1 with a LCHF diet and exercise is the road to a longer and fitter life. I doubt any of us want to live into old age with all kinds of ailments, but by keeping our diet relatively plain, lots of heart healthy fats, and low carbs seems to be the way the medical profession are looking, allbeit slowly. I Know that my diet with a bit of walking on the treadmill makes me feel and according to people who know me, look really well, the same certainly can't be said pre diagnosis.

 

[GraceK]

Hi. I'm afraid longevity has more to do with your inherited genes than diet

I used to believe this, but not any more. I firmly believe diet plays a part in good health as well as longevity. However, I am not talking about the NHS prescribed diet. Over the months I have read so much stuff, and it all points away from low fat dieting. The low carb high fat diet seems to be the one making us live longer, along with exercise and a slowing down of the HGF-1. I am now convinced that finding a way to reduce HGF-1 with a LCHF diet and exercise is the road to a longer and fitter life. I doubt any of us want to live into old age with all kinds of ailments, but by keeping our diet relatively plain, lots of heart healthy fats, and low carbs seems to be the way the medical profession are looking, allbeit slowly. I Know that my diet with a bit of walking on the treadmill makes me feel and according to people who know me, look really well, the same certainly can't be said pre diagnosis.

I feel mentally and psychologically much much much brighter on the LCHF diet than I've felt for decades! My digestion problems have improved immensely as has my asthma. My BS is still not where I'd like it to be but I'm getting there and I have to say I feel 'human' again. When I think of the years I wasted listening to the 'voices of authority' and eating foods that didn't agree with me and denying myself foods that were good for me I could kick myself.

As for longevity, six months ago if I'm honest, I was hoping I wouldn't wake up in the morning because my health was so poor and the fatigue was so depressing. Now, my state of mind is so much better and I'm back to swimming again, I've bought a step to do aerobics while the adverts are on TV and I'm joining a line dancing class tomorrow and even thinking about a holiday next year. I haven't felt that level of enthusiasm for years. I've always said I'd hate to live a long life if I wasn't healthy enough to enjoy it - I watched my father struggle to breathe and walk after a series of strokes and heart attacks in his 40s and I spent my life looking after him. His life was one long struggle and it made a hell of an impression on me. I'd hate to live a long life full of illness - I'd much prefer a quick exit stage left!

 

[Defren]

Hi. I'm afraid longevity has more to do with your inherited genes than diet

I used to believe this, but not any more. I firmly believe diet plays a part in good health as well as longevity. However, I am not talking about the NHS prescribed diet. Over the months I have read so much stuff, and it all points away from low fat dieting. The low carb high fat diet seems to be the one making us live longer, along with exercise and a slowing down of the HGF-1. I am now convinced that finding a way to reduce HGF-1 with a LCHF diet and exercise is the road to a longer and fitter life. I doubt any of us want to live into old age with all kinds of ailments, but by keeping our diet relatively plain, lots of heart healthy fats, and low carbs seems to be the way the medical profession are looking, allbeit slowly. I Know that my diet with a bit of walking on the treadmill makes me feel and according to people who know me, look really well, the same certainly can't be said pre diagnosis.

I feel mentally and psychologically much much much brighter on the LCHF diet than I've felt for decades! My digestion problems have improved immensely as has my asthma. My BS is still not where I'd like it to be but I'm getting there and I have to say I feel 'human' again. When I think of the years I wasted listening to the 'voices of authority' and eating foods that didn't agree with me and denying myself foods that were good for me I could kick myself.

As for longevity, six months ago if I'm honest, I was hoping I wouldn't wake up in the morning because my health was so poor and the fatigue was so depressing. Now, my state of mind is so much better and I'm back to swimming again, I've bought a step to do aerobics while the adverts are on TV and I'm joining a line dancing class tomorrow and even thinking about a holiday next year. I haven't felt that level of enthusiasm for years. I've always said I'd hate to live a long life if I wasn't healthy enough to enjoy it - I watched my father struggle to breathe and walk after a series of strokes and heart attacks in his 40s and I spent my life looking after him. His life was one long struggle and it made a hell of an impression on me. I'd hate to live a long life full of illness - I'd much prefer a quick exit stage left!

Completely concur. I was wheelchair bound at diagnosis, not any more. My wheelchair has been put into the shed, and there it will stay. I used to take 30mg of Lansoprazole a day, that has been cut in half by my GP and the 15mg is working absolutely fine. I no longer have any gastric problems. I eat loads of dairy products, and as my wonderful grandmother always said "you need fat to grease your bones". She was in her 90's when she passed, my mother is 82 and still fighting fit, although we did have a major scare with her earlier this year. I have a treadmill, a stepper, an exercise bike and I just do bits when I have excess energy to burn, which seems to be getting more frequent. Then I have three wee terriers who need to be walked, a house and business to run, I never stop, but the result of never stopping is plain to see. I also sleep like a baby, I didn't do that before either!

 

[GraceK]

Completely concur. I was wheelchair bound at diagnosis, not any more. My wheelchair has been put into the shed, and there it will stay. I used to take 30mg of Lansoprazole a day, that has been cut in half by my GP and the 15mg is working absolutely fine. I no longer have any gastric problems. I eat loads of dairy products, and as my wonderful grandmother always said "you need fat to grease your bones". She was in her 90's when she passed, my mother is 82 and still fighting fit, although we did have a major scare with her earlier this year. I have a treadmill, a stepper, an exercise bike and I just do bits when I have excess energy to burn, which seems to be getting more frequent. Then I have three wee terriers who need to be walked, a house and business to run, I never stop, but the result of never stopping is plain to see. I also sleep like a baby, I didn't do that before either![/quote]

That's a truly amazing improvement. I was on Omeprazole 40mg a day for horrible gastric problems, that's now down to 20mg a day and I could get away with less I think. I was diagnosed in August, found the forum that day, read about LCHF and started it the next week. I deliberately didn't rush or panic, I methodically emptied my cupboards of unsuitable foods, made a list of suitable foods from the diet doctor website and then went out and bought them over a period of a week or so. I was most definitely a woman on a mission!

I think after 2 weeks I began to really notice a difference, very subtle things like a bit more strength in my legs, the fact that I was getting out of the chair more often to go and fetch something and while I was doing that I'd end up doing a little bit of housework. My stomach wasn't gurgling all the time, I wasn't hungry. Then I noticed I was forgetting to take my inhaler and I wasn't waking up wheezing, then it was a bit of a lighter feeling around my tummy and being able to walk a little bit and feeling lighter and less breathless. I'm almost 3 months into my new way of eating but I haven't got to the stage of having excess energy yet but I sure hope I do one day.

I'm interested in your wonderful improvement from wheelchair to having excess energy! How old are you and how long have you been diagnosed? And how long have you been on the LCHF regime? You're an inspiration.

 

[Defren]

That's a truly amazing improvement. I was on Omeprazole 40mg a day for horrible gastric problems, that's now down to 20mg a day and I could get away with less I think. I was diagnosed in August, found the forum that day, read about LCHF and started it the next week. I deliberately didn't rush or panic, I methodically emptied my cupboards of unsuitable foods, made a list of suitable foods from the diet doctor website and then went out and bought them over a period of a week or so. I was most definitely a woman on a mission!

I think after 2 weeks I began to really notice a difference, very subtle things like a bit more strength in my legs, the fact that I was getting out of the chair more often to go and fetch something and while I was doing that I'd end up doing a little bit of housework. My stomach wasn't gurgling all the time, I wasn't hungry. Then I noticed I was forgetting to take my inhaler and I wasn't waking up wheezing, then it was a bit of a lighter feeling around my tummy and being able to walk a little bit and feeling lighter and less breathless. I'm almost 3 months into my new way of eating but I haven't got to the stage of having excess energy yet but I sure hope I do one day.

I'm interested in your wonderful improvement from wheelchair to having excess energy! How old are you and how long have you been diagnosed? And how long have you been on the LCHF regime? You're an inspiration.

Get out of it, you'll make me blush. I will be 47 in January, I was diagnosed with AJA at 29 and in the wheelchair about two years later, maybe a bit less, as I had my eldest when I was 31. I had been ill (diabetes symptoms) for a long time, but didn't know, I was diagnosed officially on March 5th this year. I had already found this forum and knowing I was going to have a blood test to check for diabetes, I was prepared. I hit the road running as soon as I was diagnosed, and have fine tuned it to where my last HbA1c was 4.9mmol/l I did the Newcastle diet to rid my organs of visceral fat, and am now looking for the next path in this journey. I eat primal, which is the same as paleo but with dairy. It suits me well, but I am a person who likes to have a plan, and at the moment I don't have one, so feeling a bit adrift. You will reach your goals, you like me, hit the road running, it works!

 

[GraceK]

That's a truly amazing improvement. I was on Omeprazole 40mg a day for horrible gastric problems, that's now down to 20mg a day and I could get away with less I think. I was diagnosed in August, found the forum that day, read about LCHF and started it the next week. I deliberately didn't rush or panic, I methodically emptied my cupboards of unsuitable foods, made a list of suitable foods from the diet doctor website and then went out and bought them over a period of a week or so. I was most definitely a woman on a mission!

I think after 2 weeks I began to really notice a difference, very subtle things like a bit more strength in my legs, the fact that I was getting out of the chair more often to go and fetch something and while I was doing that I'd end up doing a little bit of housework. My stomach wasn't gurgling all the time, I wasn't hungry. Then I noticed I was forgetting to take my inhaler and I wasn't waking up wheezing, then it was a bit of a lighter feeling around my tummy and being able to walk a little bit and feeling lighter and less breathless. I'm almost 3 months into my new way of eating but I haven't got to the stage of having excess energy yet but I sure hope I do one day.

I'm interested in your wonderful improvement from wheelchair to having excess energy! How old are you and how long have you been diagnosed? And how long have you been on the LCHF regime? You're an inspiration.

Get out of it, you'll make me blush. I will be 47 in January, I was diagnosed with AJA at 29 and in the wheelchair about two years later, maybe a bit less, as I had my eldest when I was 31. I had been ill (diabetes symptoms) for a long time, but didn't know, I was diagnosed officially on March 5th this year. I had already found this forum and knowing I was going to have a blood test to check for diabetes, I was prepared. I hit the road running as soon as I was diagnosed, and have fine tuned it to where my last HbA1c was 4.9mmol/l I did the Newcastle diet to rid my organs of visceral fat, and am now looking for the next path in this journey. I eat primal, which is the same as paleo but with dairy. It suits me well, but I am a person who likes to have a plan, and at the moment I don't have one, so feeling a bit adrift. You will reach your goals, you like me, hit the road running, it works!

Ha! :lol: Blush indeed! You should be a life coach! Are you a Capricorn by any chance, because apparently they get younger and fitter as they get older so it sounds about right where you're concerned.

What's AJA? Is that Juvenile Arthritis?

I'll be 60 next July and now that I'm eating the right diet for me, I'm absolutely determined to be the fittest and healthiest 60 year old ever! So I've got a goal and I'm on a mission. I feel like I'm turning into the person I've always known as 'MYSELF' and I've never been so interested in food in all my life! I'm now researching all the wonderful websites I've been given on the forum and primal and paleo sound absolutely perfect to me. You just know when something makes sense don't you? I've found that I've very often gone totally against my intuition where food is concerned, I'm actually looking back and thinking "You KNEW you didn't really want to eat THAT, yet you damned well ate it!" I actually don't LIKE carbs. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy! I'm free!

That's another side effect of my new diet ... I get euphoric from time to time. :lol: :lol:

 

[Defren]

Ha! :lol: Blush indeed! You should be a life coach! Are you a Capricorn by any chance, because apparently they get younger and fitter as they get older so it sounds about right where you're concerned.

What's AJA? Is that Juvenile Arthritis?

I'll be 60 next July and now that I'm eating the right diet for me, I'm absolutely determined to be the fittest and healthiest 60 year old ever! So I've got a goal and I'm on a mission. I feel like I'm turning into the person I've always known as 'MYSELF' and I've never been so interested in food in all my life! I'm now researching all the wonderful websites I've been given on the forum and primal and paleo sound absolutely perfect to me. You just know when something makes sense don't you? I've found that I've very often gone totally against my intuition where food is concerned, I'm actually looking back and thinking "You KNEW you didn't really want to eat THAT, yet you damned well ate it!" I actually don't LIKE carbs. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy! I'm free!

That's another side effect of my new diet ... I get euphoric from time to time. :lol: :lol:

I am indeed a Capricorn, I'm not a life couch, much more boring and mundane than that.

Aggressive juvenile arthritis, yes. It's (apparently) one of the nastiest forms as it hits quick and knocks you for six and that is exactly what happened to me. I was fine one minute, next minute paralyzed just about. I spent the next 17 years in hell. Trying to work, bring up my daughters, not easy, but if I am anything I'm a fighter, so I battled on, then once diagnosed diabetic, the whole world seemed to go back 15 years. I could walk, I could do bits of housework, now, I do virtually everything in the home. There are a couple of things I still struggle with, but am lucky to have a cleaning lady come in and help. So, I can now manage all alone, even though I did get married this year. See, still life in us old goats. :lol:

Primal suits me down to a tee. I don't ever drink milk, but can't do without my Greek yogurt and cream, so I can't see me doing Paleo, I might do a 30 day paleo challange, but that would be all. I don't ever eat wheat or any grains, so it all slots into the primal lifestyle perfectly for me. I have a few friends on another site who are paleo, and I love reading how they are doing, should I ever change my mind.