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Catkysydney

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Hi,
I am from Sydney Australia and newly diagnosed that I have type2 Diabetes..
I could not take Metformin because it made me unwell. After this, I am with Januvia started from 25mg and 100mg now (3 days).
My blood glucose level is OK before meal, but high after meal.
I am wondering how long will it take for Januvia to start working...
I am sure that I can get various information from this Forum, so I am looking forward to reading other members’ postings...
I hope I can help as well.
 
HI and welcome
I'll tag in @daisy1 for the intro to how a lot of us have changed our eating patterns to help control or errant blood sugars. Some of us have even come off all medication. I'm guessing you are eating a fairly high carbohydrate diet if you are going high after food so it may be worth cutting back on starchy foods like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta to see if that helps.
 
Hi Catkysydney and welcome!
First let me tag in @daisy1 as is tradition for newbies for her very useful info post.
With regards to your post meal readings, can you give some examples of meals where you are noticing the high readings. We may be able to help you tweak your diet to stop those high readings.

Edit: @bulkbiker just beat me there!
 
Welcome to the forum @Catkysydney. I wouldn't know about Januvia, but I expect someone will. You will get a lot of good advice and support on here. Ask any questions you want.
There are some other Australians on the forum.
 
HI and welcome
I'll tag in @daisy1 for the intro to how a lot of us have changed our eating patterns to help control or errant blood sugars. Some of us have even come off all medication. I'm guessing you are eating a fairly high carbohydrate diet if you are going high after food so it may be worth cutting back on starchy foods like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta to see if that helps.

Thank you very much for your kind reply !! I feel so much better to have members around me to share the knowledge and experience...
My doctor told me to eat rice.. maybe he wants to measure how the medicine work(?)
I look forward to meet more nice and helpful members.
Thank you again !
 
Thank you very much for your kind reply !! I feel so much better to have members around me to share the knowledge and experience...
My doctor told me to eat rice.. maybe he wants to measure how the medicine work(?)
I look forward to meet more nice and helpful members.
Thank you again !
Sounds like you are measuring blood sugars.. do you take a reading before eating and then 2 hours after to see the effect of various foods? If you go very high after eating rice it may be best to avoid it.
 
Hi Catkysydney and welcome!
First let me tag in @daisy1 as is tradition for newbies for her very useful info post.
With regards to your post meal readings, can you give some examples of meals where you are noticing the high readings. We may be able to help you tweak your diet to stop those high readings.

Edit: @bulkbiker just beat me there!

Thank you very much for your very kind reply !! Wow !! Very nice of you.
My breakfast was OK ( usually boiled egg and rice ball ), but dinner is relatively heavy... so my blood glucose is high..
I was recommended to have three meals regularly, but my partner has one meal per day( dinner ). So I carry my breakfast with me and eat it..
I look forward to meeting nice and helpful members, like you, here..
Thank you again !
 
Welcome to the forum @Catkysydney. I wouldn't know about Januvia, but I expect someone will. You will get a lot of good advice and support on here. Ask any questions you want.
There are some other Australians on the forum.

Thank you very much @Prem51 for your kind reply !! I cannot find any forum in Australia.., so I joined this. I expect we have a similar medical system..
I look forward to meet nice and helpful members here.
Thank you again !!
 
@Catkysydney
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi. Did you try Metformin SR the Slow Release version; it's much kinder than the plain version? Januvia is Sitagliptin. It works by suppressing an enzyme that normally turns the pancreas off a certain time after a meal. It therefore tends to reduce post-meal spikes by allowing more insulin to be available but that's all. Reducing the carbs is essential but you can have fats and proteins instead. BTW you don't have to have three regular meals a day (where did that come from?) and rice is not good for us as it's a carb. Januvia should start working within a day or so.
 
Thank you very much, @daisy1, for your very kind reply with important information !! Very helpful !! I appreciate this Forum because I feel I am not just only one suffer from diabetes... I have other members who are helpful and knowledgeable.. very nice feeling I have from this Forum.
I look forward to meet other nice and helpful members.
Thank you again !!
 
Hi. Did you try Metformin SR the Slow Release version; it's much kinder than the plain version? Januvia is Sitagliptin. It works by suppressing an enzyme that normally turns the pancreas off a certain time after a meal. It therefore tends to reduce post-meal spikes by allowing more insulin to be available but that's all. Reducing the carbs is essential but you can have fats and proteins instead. BTW you don't have to have three regular meals a day (where did that come from?) and rice is not good for us as it's a carb. Januvia should start working within a day or so.

Thank you very much, @Daibell, for your kind reply !
Metformin made me very unwell..., that’s why doctor gave me Januvia instead.
When I did 4 hour glucose tolerance test, I was also told I had to eat a lot if rice for three days before test, that was a part of testing.. I am not sure why... after 4 hours from the drinking glucose, I had a headache and started trembling, which I have had a symptom from high school. I always had low blood glucose.
But now after meal I have a high glucose.
Januvia starts working within a day? I still have a high glucose after dinner. It may not working for me. I will see my doctor again and discuss about this.
Thank you very much for your information.
Very valuable.
 
Sounds like you are measuring blood sugars.. do you take a reading before eating and then 2 hours after to see the effect of various foods? If you go very high after eating rice it may be best to avoid it.

Thank you very much, @bulkbiker, for your kind reply !!
I am measuring my blood glucose. Yes, before eating and 2hour after eating. Then I found it was high after dinner, other times are OK.
I tend to have a low blood glucose before, so I was recommended to carry chocolate with me.. I will discuss with my doctor about rice.
Thank you very much !
Very valuable !
 
Thank you very much, @bulkbiker, for your kind reply !!
I am measuring my blood glucose. Yes, before eating and 2hour after eating. Then I found it was high after dinner, other times are OK.
I tend to have a low blood glucose before, so I was recommended to carry chocolate with me.. I will discuss with my doctor about rice.
Thank you very much !
Very valuable !
If you have low blood sugar then a diagnosis of type 2 diabetes is fairly unusual.. do you actually have your levels to hand and maybe your last HbA1c?
 
Have you tested when you’ve felt ‘low’ recently? Since you’ve been diagnosed with type 2 your body may have got used to running higher and now when your levels are normal your body isn’t used to it. This is called false hypo.
 
If you have low blood sugar then a diagnosis of type 2 diabetes is fairly unusual.. do you actually have your levels to hand and maybe your last HbA1c?

Thank you very much for your reply, @bulkbiker !
Yes, I had a problem of low blood glucose from high school..
when I had 4 hour glucose tolerance test, the results were like this ( last month )
Fasting. 5.1
1hr. 14.1. ( high )
2hr. 13.1
2.5hr. 10.2
3hr. 5.3
3.5hr. 3.6
4hr. 3.2 ( low )
Then I was diagnosed with type 2 Diabetes.

I had another food problem, I have lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance and I do not have enzyme for fat/oil... so I am having a low FODMAP diet.

I am not overweight, I have been skinny for long time.., my diabetes is a kind of mystery...
Thank you for your reply !
 
Thank you very much for your reply, @bulkbiker !
Yes, I had a problem of low blood glucose from high school..
when I had 4 hour glucose tolerance test, the results were like this ( last month )
Fasting. 5.1
1hr. 14.1. ( high )
2hr. 13.1
2.5hr. 10.2
3hr. 5.3
3.5hr. 3.6
4hr. 3.2 ( low )
Then I was diagnosed with type 2 Diabetes.

I had another food problem, I have lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance and I do not have enzyme for fat/oil... so I am having a low FODMAP diet.

I am not overweight, I have been skinny for long time.., my diabetes is a kind of mystery...
Thank you for your reply !
I'll tag in @Brunneria and @Lamont D to ask their opinion on your OGTT results...
 
Hi and welcome @Catkysydney :)

Looking at your test results, you clearly go low at the end of the test. This is a symptom of reactive hypoglycaemia, which may occur alongside or independent of type 2 diabetes.

Obviously none of us here on the forum can give you a diagnosis, or advise you on medication, since we are not qualified medical professionals. However, i would encourage you to have a read up about Reactive Hypoglycaemia.
There is a good intro on the subject in Wikipedia, and this section on this forum discusses RH.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/reactive-hypoglycemia.70/

Most medical advice for RH is to treat the hypo symptoms - basically eat carbs all the time and keep blood glucose up.
However, many of us here on the forum find that reducing carbs stops the blood glucose from rising to high and then dropping sharply. So we reduce carbs, and prevent the hypos from happening in the first place (because the spike-and-drop doesn’t happen).

Have a read and a bit of a research, and see if it resonates with you. If so, maybe discuss it with your doc.

And you can ask anything you like here. :)
 
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Hi and welcome @Catkysydney :)

Looking at your test results, you clearly go low at the end of the test. This is a symptom of reactive hypoglycaemia, which may occur alongside or independent of type 2 diabetes.

Obviously none of us here on the forum can give you a diagnosis, or advise you on medication, since we are not qualified medical professionals. However, i would encourage you to have a read up about Reactive Hypoglycaemia.
There is a good intro on the subject in Wikipedia, and this section on this forum discusses RH.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/reactive-hypoglycemia.70/

Most medical advice for RH is to treat the hypo symptoms - basically eat carbs all the time and keep blood glucose up.
However, many of us here on the forum find that reducing carbs stops the blood glucose from rising to high and then dropping sharply. So we reduce carbs, and prevent the hypos from happening in the first place.

Have a read and a bit of a research, and see if it resonates with you. If so, maybe discuss it with your doc.

And you can ask anything you like here. :)

Wow ! Thank you very much for your very kind reply with a lot of valuable information, @Brunneria !! This is so helpful ! Thank you very much again !! Wow !!
 
Hi, @Catkysydney
Welcome to our forum.
We do have a reactive hypoglycaemia forum.

Your test results are typically reactive hypoglycaemia.
I know because they are similar to my test results to an extended oral glucose tolerance test. (eOGTT).
I too have lactose intolerance because of the lactose, which because of the way our pancreas works after a glucose test or a carb laden meal.
I too have an intolerance to oils.
I have an intolerance to wheat.
I have an intolerance to carbs, period!

I also got a diagnosis of T2!

However, the doctors could not understand why my fasting and hba1c levels were normal and only went into diabetic range after eating certain foods.
Your test shows that you have diabetic levels after an hour, but that is temporary as you have what is known as an overshoot of insulin, which causes the hypoglycaemic episodes.
It was a specialist endocrinologist who noticed that I was having frequent episodes of Hypoglycaemia, he started tests to diagnose me. He also said that I did not have diabetes.
I have ' Late Reactive Hypoglycaemia'. Which by your test result seems highly probable. But, you need further tests to actually get a true diagnosis, because similar results can be a pancreatic condition, the next tests after an eOGTT, will hopefully eliminate these.
Do please, let us know how you get on.
I would also hope you read our forum. It has plenty of great information on RH.
Finally, I would ask you to ask your doctor to do specific tests to consider a diagnosis of reactive hypoglycaemia because there are a lot of doctors out there, that are unaware of such endocrine conditions.
RH is a controllable condition by diet.
The wow factor comes later, when you discover why and how RH controlled, is something that can and will make you healthy again.
Best wishes.
 
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