Hi ! I'm Peter and I'm looking for answers.. I am type2

[theoldfunker]

Controlled diat and now pre-diabetic, BUT I was diagnosed with Bowel Cancer this was operated on and removed. The answers I'm looking for is diat. My diat is now low fibre and add salt to my food, eat white bread and white pastre, and more Carbs, this goes against my Diabetic diat of Low carb High fibre.
What do I do ? ?

 

[KennyA]

Controlled diat and now pre-diabetic, BUT I was diagnosed with Bowel Cancer this was operated on and removed. The answers I'm looking for is diat. My diat is now low fibre and add salt to my food, eat white bread and white pastre, and more Carbs, this goes against my Diabetic diat of Low carb High fibre.
What do I do ? ?

Hi Peter - what advice about diet have you had from your medical team? I'm assuming they're aware that you're pre-diabetic? I have no relevant personal experience to offer, but maybe others will have.

 

[HSSS]

Presumably the advice for white bread and pasta is to make it lower fibre for the bowel than whole meal/brown versions. Could you simply not eat bread and pasta and meet the needs of both issues?

low carb for diabetes is normally paired with higher fats and proteins rather than high fibre. Eating fewer carbs tends to mean a lower digestive need for fibre in many of us anyway. What have you been advised regarding fats and proteins after surgery?

 

[Oldvatr]

Controlled diat and now pre-diabetic, BUT I was diagnosed with Bowel Cancer this was operated on and removed. The answers I'm looking for is diat. My diat is now low fibre and add salt to my food, eat white bread and white pastre, and more Carbs, this goes against my Diabetic diat of Low carb High fibre.
What do I do ? ?

Not sure if this is relavent for you, but it seems to be similar to what you have implied.

Colostomy diet: Foods to include and avoid, recipe ideas, and more

After a colostomy, people wearing a colostomy bag may require adjustments to their diet. Their relationship with food may also change. Learn more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The white bread and pasta tie in with low fibre. Certainly these items are counterproductive to diabetes care T2. So are root veg. This is not normal fare for our typical low carbers, but there probably some pick and mix items that could be suitable. The salt is LCHF compatible. Did the doc say this is long term strategy, or as is mentioned in the article I linked to, just while the surgery settles down?

The main problem you face is the low fat need. the F in LCHF stands for fat (not fibre) and it is what makes a low carb diet sustainable in the longer term. I wonder if this need for low fat is medical or is simply following the standard NHS nutritional advice. I know that gall bladder post op stipulates low fat too, but we have members doing LCHF without problem after their op.

Low fibre diets sound like a recioe for constipation. I have to ask Do you have a stoma, or was the surgery a resection? I see in the article that a lot of the recommended carbs are very processed. I wonder if the problem with fibre is just the bulk. Unfortunately I have no one to ask and rely on Dr Google, which is not necessarily fully reliable, and your question is one I have zero experience with.

 

[Oldvatr]

Heres a couple of hacks that might possibly help.

Take the white bread and freeze it. then take it out and toast it. This process apparently turns some of the starch into resistant starch that reduces the glycemic load.

Take the white pasta and cook it thoroughly. Then let it cool and place in the fridge. Then reheat it. again its a resistant starch hack.

But be careful when reheating foods and storing cooked foods. Although this appears to work with rice, it is not advised at all. My mother was T1D and she processed the rice by washing the cooked starch out in a sieve, then pouring boiling water over it straight away to bring it back up to temperature for serving. It was never left overnight in case the bugs bite.

 

[theoldfunker]

Not sure if this is relavent for you, but it seems to be similar to what you have implied.

Colostomy diet: Foods to include and avoid, recipe ideas, and more

After a colostomy, people wearing a colostomy bag may require adjustments to their diet. Their relationship with food may also change. Learn more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The white bread and pasta tie in with low fibre. Certainly these items are counterproductive to diabetes care T2. So are root veg. This is not normal fare for our typical low carbers, but there probably some pick and mix items that could be suitable. The salt is LCHF compatible. Did the doc say this is long term strategy, or as is mentioned in the article I linked to, just while the surgery settles down?

The main problem you face is the low fat need. the F in LCHF stands for fat (not fibre) and it is what makes a low carb diet sustainable in the longer term. I wonder if this need for low fat is medical or is simply following the standard NHS nutritional advice. I know that gall bladder post op stipulates low fat too, but we have members doing LCHF without problem after their op.

Low fibre diets sound like a recioe for constipation. I have to ask Do you have a stoma, or was the surgery a resection? I see in the article that a lot of the recommended carbs are very processed. I wonder if the problem with fibre is just the bulk. Unfortunately I have no one to ask and rely on Dr Google, which is not necessarily fully reliable, and your question is one I have zero experience with.

Yes. Fitted with a stoma bag after the second op. I am trying to balance my diat and understand the right balance for me having read alot on the web, nothing refers to me, Its Low carb or High carb and no advice for my state. The hosptal was unable to give me any advice but "try foods and see what happens". Clearly I can't process seeds or nuts and I hate mushy white bread compared to brown seeded bread, having to peel an apple and as for oranges it's down to just juice in cartons due to the pulp.
The diat is down to pick n' choose as I monltor my blood glucose now twice a day to try to stay safe as I have never had to check before and I hate to see my numbers hit 12 and 13 but rejoice when I'm back at 5.4 As at the start of my diabetes It's a learning curve but there is no direct advice this time.
Thanks for the link and I'll continue my search for [ pick n' mix ]

 

[theoldfunker]

Hi Peter - what advice about diet have you had from your medical team? I'm assuming they're aware that you're pre-diabetic? I have no relevant personal experience to offer, but maybe others will have.

Yes the Hospital was aware but the team had no advice for me but to try it and see what happensas all they had was the low fibre diet sheet to work with.
SO. it's a pick n' mix diet and eat by the meter which I have never needed to test before.

 

[theoldfunker]

Heres a couple of hacks that might possibly help.

Take the white bread and freeze it. then take it out and toast it. This process apparently turns some of the starch into resistant starch that reduces the glycemic load.

Take the white pasta and cook it thoroughly. Then let it cool and place in the fridge. Then reheat it. again its a resistant starch hack.

But be careful when reheating foods and storing cooked foods. Although this appears to work with rice, it is not advised at all. My mother was T1D and she processed the rice by washing the cooked starch out in a sieve, then pouring boiling water over it straight away to bring it back up to temperature for serving. It was never left overnight in case the bugs bite.

Many thanks as I'm on a learnig curve to adapt to suit my needs.

 

[theoldfunker]

Presumably the advice for white bread and pasta is to make it lower fibre for the bowel than whole meal/brown versions. Could you simply not eat bread and pasta and meet the needs of both issues?

low carb for diabetes is normally paired with higher fats and proteins rather than high fibre. Eating fewer carbs tends to mean a lower digestive need for fibre in many of us anyway. What have you been advised regarding fats and proteins after surgery?

As most of my breakfast cereals or out now, porridge, bran flakes ect all thats left is toast for easy process for the morning so I am able to leave home.

 

[Oldvatr]

As most of my breakfast cereals or out now, porridge, bran flakes ect all thats left is toast for easy process for the morning so I am able to leave home.

I have fried bread instead of toast. It provides me with the fat I need for LCHF, and gets over the problem of cold toast and congealed butter. I also cook my bacon and egg in the frypan at the same time. throw in some mushrooms and it becomes a one pan meal and then I just add a coffee to complete my repast.

 

[Oldvatr]

Yes. Fitted with a stoma bag after the second op. I am trying to balance my diat and understand the right balance for me having read alot on the web, nothing refers to me, Its Low carb or High carb and no advice for my state. The hosptal was unable to give me any advice but "try foods and see what happens". Clearly I can't process seeds or nuts and I hate mushy white bread compared to brown seeded bread, having to peel an apple and as for oranges it's down to just juice in cartons due to the pulp.
The diat is down to pick n' choose as I monltor my blood glucose now twice a day to try to stay safe as I have never had to check before and I hate to see my numbers hit 12 and 13 but rejoice when I'm back at 5.4 As at the start of my diabetes It's a learning curve but there is no direct advice this time.
Thanks for the link and I'll continue my search for [ pick n' mix ]

The principles of Low carb for diabetes control are well established now, and is still a policy that you could use. I wish you well. Choose wisely.

These guys seem to be stoma users and may offer some support. but I have no personal knowledge of their support.

We are strong - Ileostomy & Internal Pouch Association

Ileostomy and Internal Pouch Association (IA) is a registered charity supporting people living with an ileostomy or internal pouch.

iasupport.org

 

[theoldfunker]

The principles of Low carb for diabetes control are well established now, and is still a policy that you could use. I wish you well. Choose wisely.

These guys seem to be stoma users and may offer some support. but I have no personal knowledge of their support.

We are strong - Ileostomy & Internal Pouch Association

Ileostomy and Internal Pouch Association (IA) is a registered charity supporting people living with an ileostomy or internal pouch.

iasupport.org

Thanks your link looks like a good one so I'll sign up and hope to get ideas to fit me. I can't be the only guy in this state.

 

[theoldfunker]

The principles of Low carb for diabetes control are well established now, and is still a policy that you could use. I wish you well. Choose wisely.

These guys seem to be stoma users and may offer some support. but I have no personal knowledge of their support.

We are strong - Ileostomy & Internal Pouch Association

Ileostomy and Internal Pouch Association (IA) is a registered charity supporting people living with an ileostomy or internal pouch.

iasupport.org

Thanks your link looks like a good one so I'll sign up and hope to get ideas to fit me. I can't be the only guy in this state.

I have fried bread instead of toast. It provides me with the fat I need for LCHF, and gets over the problem of cold toast and congealed butter. I also cook my bacon and egg in the frypan at the same time. throw in some mushrooms and it becomes a one pan meal and then I just add a coffee to complete my repast.

I love fried bread but afraid of putting on pounds as I have reached Pre-diabetic and had such a healthy diet and the energy levels I've not seen for a long time. BUT fried bread is back on. I found I'm able to process mushrooms as with a lot of food types come out as they go in rice crispys recomended for my low fibre come out the same, so it's still pick n' mix.

 

[HSSS]

As most of my breakfast cereals or out now, porridge, bran flakes ect all thats left is toast for easy process for the morning so I am able to leave home.

Does it have to be modern breakfast foods though (toast and cereals)? it’s only convention that says what is suitable for breakfast. OJ is used to recover from hypos so isn’t a good option for keeping levels lower

How are eggs for you? They can be cooked a dozen different was some of them really fast. Or make dinner a bit bigger and have left overs? Continental style with cold meats and cheeses?

 

[theoldfunker]

Hi Peter - what advice about diet have you had from your medical team? I'm assuming they're aware that you're pre-diabetic? I have no relevant personal experience to offer, but maybe others will have.

Thanks for the reply, this is going to be a new learning curve but help is out there. So proud I can control my diabetes with diet to reach Pre-diabetic and most of it now goes out the window. so press on and learn to adapt.

 

[JoKalsbeek]

Controlled diat and now pre-diabetic, BUT I was diagnosed with Bowel Cancer this was operated on and removed. The answers I'm looking for is diat. My diat is now low fibre and add salt to my food, eat white bread and white pastre, and more Carbs, this goes against my Diabetic diat of Low carb High fibre.
What do I do ? ?

If you're unable to cope with fibres, maybe stick with foods that have little to none of those, and are low carb. Eggs are quite versatile, and you can add a bunch of things in lieu of toast.... Smoked salmon omelette (which'll be my breakfast/lunch today in a couple of hours), or with tuna, mushrooms, maybe high meat content sausages, deli meats, bacon? Those things won't spike you and won't mess up your digestive tract. Things like juice are usually blood sugar uppers, you might want to opt for tea or tisane, coffee (with proper cream to make it filling) or water with or without some lemon/lime juice for vit c purposes, besides flavour. Veg with meat/fish/poultry in the evening should be alright, leave off the spuds/pasta/rice entirely though. Cheeses are good as well, if you can cope with those. Should not leave you hungry if you can up the fats some.

There are alternatives that are both low to now carb and low to no fibre. It's just a bit of a puzzle.
Hugs,
Jo

 

[Oldvatr]

You may find eggs to be a bit sulphurous, which may cause some problems. Cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, broccoli sprouts, asparagus) are similarly known for fighting back.

 

[theoldfunker]

If you're unable to cope with fibres, maybe stick with foods that have little to none of those, and are low carb. Eggs are quite versatile, and you can add a bunch of things in lieu of toast.... Smoked salmon omelette (which'll be my breakfast/lunch today in a couple of hours), or with tuna, mushrooms, maybe high meat content sausages, deli meats, bacon? Those things won't spike you and won't mess up your digestive tract. Things like juice are usually blood sugar uppers, you might want to opt for tea or tisane, coffee (with proper cream to make it filling) or water with or without some lemon/lime juice for vit c purposes, besides flavour. Veg with meat/fish/poultry in the evening should be alright, leave off the spuds/pasta/rice entirely though. Cheeses are good as well, if you can cope with those. Should not leave you hungry if you can up the fats some.

There are alternatives that are both low to now carb and low to no fibre. It's just a bit of a puzzle.
Hugs,
Jo

Foods need to be selected as my stoma bag has a vent so I'm learning. So in company I have an odor around me that smells of school dinners. Fish has always been in my diet but now only if I eat olone, sausage also a problem as I can't process skins. Again I'm learning.

 

[JoKalsbeek]

Foods need to be selected as my stoma bag has a vent so I'm learning. So in company I have an odor around me that smells of school dinners. Fish has always been in my diet but now only if I eat olone, sausage also a problem as I can't process skins. Again I'm learning.

A friend of mine had a different bag, about 20 years ago, but it was prone to exploding at inconvenient times. (Though, when is it ever convenient?) I guess having a vent is preferable then! But yeah... I see the problem. As for sausages, nothing wrong with taking the skin off beforehand or after, or just going for ground beef or pork...

 

[theoldfunker]

You may find eggs to be a bit sulphurous, which may cause some problems. Cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, broccoli sprouts, asparagus) are similarly known for fighting back.

Yes a whole load of HEALTHY food is now not so good for me that once was a good diet for a T2 and now I have to replan my dinners.