Hi, I'm really stuck with improving my BG being threatened with Insulin - need advice please!

RiojaQueen1

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I've had Type 2 since 2010 and been mainly on Metformin until a year or so ago when Gliclizide was added. Had nervous breakdown that year and slipped back into depression this last 12 months after bullying at work. My Diabetes went up to 26 and totally uncontrolled, Glidipion was added to the equation and I average about 11ish.

I haven't paid enough attention to carbs or counting anything, just tried to eat fresh, lots of veg and good amount of fruit and be sensible. Now I have read more and think carbs counting may be the answer but I've not got long to improve.

Can anyone advise a quick route into succeeding reducing carbs in a sensible way. I had been having porridge & fruit for breakfast, just one slide of toast with eggs and reducing pasta/rice/potatoes. The lowest BG I've achieved was 5.1 but its usually over 9 or 10 even before breakfast. Appreciate any suggestions. Thank you.
 
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Hi and welcome
Sorry you've had a hard time of it and I hope things will get better for you soon in the meantime
I will tag @daisy1 who will give you the advice for new members , I think you really need to test before and after meals , cut down on the carbs smaller portions , and I think your super level will drop please have a good read around the site and come back with any questions you may have
Keep well stay safe JJ
 
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"I had been having porridge & fruit for breakfast, just one slide of toast with eggs and reducing pasta/rice/potatoes. The lowest BG I've achieved was 5.1 but its usually over 9 or 10 even before breakfast. Appreciate any suggestions. Thank you."

Porrige and fruit would send my BG into the stratosphere! If you are then having eggs and toast the bread will send it even higher. I used to have cereal (bran flakes) with a seed sprinkle and fruit for breakfast but I now have a 2 egg omelette with onion, garlic, chopped tomatoes and mushrooms. I add some chilli flakes and fresh herbs as they are supposed to be good for you! This keeps my glucose OK and I usually have a salad for lunch with a piece of chicken or some fish or cheese. I sometimes add nuts to the salad.

I can't really eat bread, porrige, fruit etc except a small amount occasionally. Hope this helps. I am sure others will also have suggestions as what to eat.
 
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Hi RiojaQueen, I follow the LCHF protocol with very little carbs but lots of fat instead. Basically you eat protein as normal, lots of veg but mostly above ground vegs and get most of your energy from fats like lard, butter, olive oil, coconut oil etc. Works brilliantly for me anyway. Energywise I get around 80% of my calories from fat, 15% from protein and 5% from carbs.

My guru (wrong word, he's just very sensible and knowledgeable) is the Dietdoctor http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
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My latest HbA1c was 33 so it seems to work
 
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why can't everyone get on........
i like @Arab Horse choice of brekkie -- but would put some ham or cheese or bacon or peppers or lots of other steamed veggies in as an alternative -- delicious !!

for evening meal a mix of 1/4 new potato ( 100grams ) , 1/4 cauliflower (100 grams), 1/4 celeriac( 100 grams ) , 1/4 onion( 100 grams )
boil the tates , steam the rest then put them all together in the potato pan after cooking and mash together
bit of butter , salt , pepper
works out to about 6.5 carbs per 100 grams and is tasty as heck :)
 
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RiojaQueen1

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Hi RiojaQueen, I follow the LCHF protocol with very little carbs but lots of fat instead. Basically you eat protein as normal, lots of veg but mostly above ground vegs and get most of your energy from fats like lard, butter, olive oil, coconut oil etc. Works brilliantly for me anyway. Energywise I get around 80% of my calories from fat, 15% from protein and 5% from carbs.

My guru (wrong word, he's just very sensible and knowledgeable) is the Dietdoctor http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
.
My latest HbA1c was 33 so it seems to work

Sounds like this works well for you but I've been told I have to reduce my weight (not doing terribly well yet) so I've been cutting right down on fats. Have been having salads/protein for most lunches for some while and protein/fresh veg for evening meals with a few potatoes or rice/cous cous. Just feel so hungry all the time yet tired!
 

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If you want to lose weight a d get you glucose levels under control have a look at the Newcastle diet as it will help. It seems hard at the start but actually isn't.
 
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Sounds like this works well for you but I've been told I have to reduce my weight (not doing terribly well yet) so I've been cutting right down on fats. Have been having salads/protein for most lunches for some while and protein/fresh veg for evening meals with a few potatoes or rice/cous cous. Just feel so hungry all the time yet tired!
Hi. Having salds, veg and protein sounds good. Some of us would say reducing the fats will have little effect on weight loss in contradiction to the popular view. It sounds like you are already having a fairly low-level of carbs? If you feel there is room to reduce those further do give it a try. Having enough protein and fats should help make you feel full.
 
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Sounds like this works well for you but I've been told I have to reduce my weight (not doing terribly well yet) so I've been cutting right down on fats. Have been having salads/protein for most lunches for some while and protein/fresh veg for evening meals with a few potatoes or rice/cous cous. Just feel so hungry all the time yet tired!
Of course you are tired and not losing weight, Have look around the Dietdoc site and see if you find anything interesting.

As far as I've come to understand it isn't fat that makes us fat, quite the contrary. Fat is satiating so you eat less while carbs stimulates appetite and you'll have more than you need really.

Eating greens as in vegetables doesn't make you green. Eating fat doesn't make you fat either,
 
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RiojaQueen1

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Hi. Having salds, veg and protein sounds good. Some of us would say reducing the fats will have little effect on weight loss in contradiction to the popular view. It sounds like you are already having a fairly low-level of carbs? If you feel there is room to reduce those further do give it a try. Having enough protein and fats should help make you feel full.
I think I'm having problems with embracing the thought that fat is good! It goes against every diet I've seen before or what a doctor has recommended. I think I have been using more carbs versus fat which has not helped the issue. I just need to read more and be braver, thanks for the help.
 

RiojaQueen1

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Of course you are tired and not losing weight, Have look around the Dietdoc site and see if you find anything interesting.

As far as I've come to understand it isn't fat that makes us fat, quite the contrary. Fat is satiating so you eat less while carbs stimulates appetite and you'll have more than you need really.

Eating greens as in vegetables doesn't make you green. Eating fat doesn't make you fat either,
I've already had a look at the Dietdoc site and its hard to believe that fat is good, carbs will be my new enemy, thanks for the heads up!
 
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I think I'm having problems with embracing the thought that fat is good! It goes against every diet I've seen before or what a doctor has recommended. I think I have been using more carbs versus fat which has not helped the issue. I just need to read more and be braver, thanks for the help.
Hello riojaqueen1, welcome to the forum,the good news ....you can lose weight by eating fat , have a look at jenny ruhl's book: diet101, she explains how it all works,all the best,ps by using this way of eating my bs's are very well controlled now and i've lost40 lbs in weight since sept14
 
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@RiojaQueen1

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

What a lot of useful replies you have already got! Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Carry on asking questions and more members will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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I'm with @Totto , low carb high fat worked for me (see my links below).
 

RiojaQueen1

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Hello riojaqueen1, welcome to the forum,the good news ....you can lose weight by eating fat , have a look at jenny ruhl's book: diet101, she explains how it all works,all the best,ps by using this way of eating my bs's are very well controlled now and i've lost40 lbs in weight since sept14
Thanks Clive, will take a look at the book. Glad that its working for you and well one on a stunning weight loss!
 

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Hi there, I'm still learning how to manage my diabetes but the website recommended has been very helpful in my journey. I have been on a variety of ‘diets' and all of them have prescribed low fat as the best eating option.

With diabetes, you are watching for the levels of glucose in your blood, carbohydrates convert into sugar after the muscles and organs have used what they need and send the rest to storage.

The thing is, if you go to a shop study food labels, you will often find that lower fat products have a higher carbohydrate count than the full fat product.

I had a hard time accepting this but eating a lower carbohydrate way with an increase in good fats, I have lost 24 lbs since April and the best bit...my blood sugar levels are much better, not perfect as I have some ways to go but much better than at diagnosis.

All the best
 
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When I was first diagnosed, the most important thing to me was to get my blood sugar under control. I was also massively overweight (BMI of 37), but decided to concentrate on one thing at once.

To that end, I cut right down on my carbs (reducing down to < 20g of carbs a day) and went strictly LCHF. What I found was that I got brilliant blood sugar results and incredible weight loss.

I've now stopped doing LCHF because I found I couldn't eat more than 1,500 calories a day without feeling full all the time and while that was brilliant during my weight loss it made it very difficult to stop losing weight (not a problem I've had before!)

Since November, I've lost over 6 stones, my BMI is now 24.5, my waist is 32" and my blood sugar control is still great despite increasing carbs (due mainly to the loss of fat around my waist IMO) - I can't recommend LCHF highly enough as a way to both lose weight and get your blood sugar under control!
 
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When I was first diagnosed, the most important thing to me was to get my blood sugar under control. I was also massively overweight (BMI of 37), but decided to concentrate on one thing at once.

To that end, I cut right down on my carbs (reducing down to < 20g of carbs a day) and went strictly LCHF. What I found was that I got brilliant blood sugar results and incredible weight loss.

I've now stopped doing LCHF because I found I couldn't eat more than 1,500 calories a day without feeling full all the time and while that was brilliant during my weight loss it made it very difficult to stop losing weight (not a problem I've had before!)

Since November, I've lost over 6 stones, my BMI is now 24.5, my waist is 32" and my blood sugar control is still great despite increasing carbs (due mainly to the loss of fat around my waist IMO) - I can't recommend LCHF highly enough as a way to both lose weight and get your blood sugar under control!


I will go with that; my waist is 31/32" (the same as it was when I used to cycle 60 miles each day at the age of 21) and my stomach collapses into a hollow when I lay on my back. That to me is a good gauge as to the amount of fat I have internally
 
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RiojaQueen1

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When I was first diagnosed, the most important thing to me was to get my blood sugar under control. I was also massively overweight (BMI of 37), but decided to concentrate on one thing at once.

To that end, I cut right down on my carbs (reducing down to < 20g of carbs a day) and went strictly LCHF. What I found was that I got brilliant blood sugar results and incredible weight loss.

I've now stopped doing LCHF because I found I couldn't eat more than 1,500 calories a day without feeling full all the time and while that was brilliant during my weight loss it made it very difficult to stop losing weight (not a problem I've had before!)

Since November, I've lost over 6 stones, my BMI is now 24.5, my waist is 32" and my blood sugar control is still great despite increasing carbs (due mainly to the loss of fat around my waist IMO) - I can't recommend LCHF highly enough as a way to both lose weight and get your blood sugar under control!
You've done amazingly well Phil, I'm stunned at your results. I'm only a couple of day's in and had a naughty weekend trying to have a BBQ and not go wrong. Had sausages which must have some carbs so think that didn't help. However I love fruit, especially berries which are so good for general health. They don't seem to be on many recipes or ideas that I've read as yet, is fruit a total nono also?