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No1mam

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Just wanted to say hello. This is my first post to the forum and I thought I'd post for advice and support. Basically I've been a bit of a fool, I've been type 2 for nearly 15y now. Started with GD in 2000 when I was pregnant with my daughter then I was diagnosed T2 in August 2001. Had to have insulin when pregnant and tried metformin when I was newly diagnosed but it didn't agree with me so I opted to go on insulin to have better control. What a laugh ... Over the years I've had good and bad periods and a lot of times when things have been so good I've convinced myself I'm not diabetic. It's been a mistake. Anyway, fast forward to now... Even though I've lived with this for such a long time, I still get so confused with what I can eat/can't eat. I've got other medical stuff going on too and am am overweight and one of the things I'd love to do is lose weight. But how?! I'm on humilin m3 twice a day ... sometimes I think the only way I can lose weight is to 'cope' without my insulin. Clever eh?! I've got early signs of diabetic retinopathy and what I thought was a water infection apparently turned out to be DKA as my bm's were so high. Last night my bm was 22.2, after insulin and evening meal it dropped later to 15.8 and then this morning was 8.4. Insulin taken 55 units but since this morning it has just been going up and now it's 15.4. After being told all about DKA and reading that if my bm above 15 I should be testing for ketones, I haven't been given anything for this by GP? Is that normal? I'm increasing my insulin with every dose and monitoring bm's more closely .. by that I mean I've started testing them as I've been in denial city again. Has anyone else experienced this? Should I just continue doing what I'm going and hope bm's come down. I'm getting to the point where I'm scared to eat anything and drink anything other than water. I'm vegetarian by the way so advice on best diet in respect to that very welcome. Any advice on how to lose weight?

Thanks in advance

Anne
 
Hi and welcome. The essential thing for your diet is to reduced the carbs. Normally I would say to increase the fats and protein to make up and to keep you feeling full but being a veggie might make it a bit more difficult for you. Whatever you do, however is to get those carbs down and don't worry about fats. I would discuss re-starting Metformin but have the SR (Slow Release) version this time. Metformin does help reduce insulin resistance and blood sugar a bit.
 
@No1mam - Hello Anne, good that you have joined in. If you go to the top of this page and click on Forums - then scroll right down unit you come to FOOD and NUTRITION, there you will see a thread for the Vegetarian Diet Forum - just click on it. Hope this will be of some help.:)
 
Hi again @No1mam I think your priority should be to stabilise your levels and get them into single figures. I don't know anything about insulin but perhaps @azure could help suggest a plan of action.

You may see many people here eating a low carb diet. This is great for weight loss and blood glucose control, but you should approach this gently as a sudden drop in carbs could adversely affect your retinopathy. Reduce your carbs gradually rather than overnight. It will be a balancing act to start with, but the rewards will be worth it.

I am vegetarian too and love the food required to keep good control of my T2. As Liam says, we even have a veggie sub-forum so you should come over and join us.

@daisy1 has a welcome pack for new members which you might find helpful even though you are not new to diabetes.
 
Welcome to the forums @No1mam ,
You've already got some good advice so won'the lecture you any further about carbs and diet.

But please do ask questions, there's usually someone around who can help.
 
@No1mam

Hello Anne and welcome to the forum :) This information we give to new members should help you to control your levels better - even though I know you have had diabetes for a long time. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @No1mam :)

It sounds like you're dealing with lots of things there. Yes, your blood sugars are too high, but I'm sure you can improve them with help and with time :)

Yes, you should have some means of testing for ketones - definitely. Speak to your GP. Mine helpfully (not!) removed my ketone strips from my prescription but put them back on as soon as he got a stern letter from my DSN. If you have trouble, speak to your diabetes nurse or consultant.

But - in the meantime, if you have very high sugars and feel ill, phone for advice and help.

How have your sugars been in the past? Are these highs recent? Could you have an infection?

To lose weight, I would cut the amount of carbs you eat BUT as you're on insulin you'll need some help to do this because if you make a drastic cut and still take the same doses of insulin that could cause hypos. Speak to your diabetes nurse for advice.

You may also get better control on a basal/bolus insulin regime. This would mean more injections per day but would give you more flexibility and also give you the potential to do correction doses more easily. Again, ask your DSN about this option.

My top tips are to 'know your enemy' and learn as much as you can about diabetes. That way you'll control it and it won't control you. It's hard work, keeping the diabetes beast under control, but it's worth it :)

Good vegetarian foods could be eggs, pulses, some nuts, some cheese, maybe meat substitutes like Quorn - and plenty of veg to fill up on.

Finally, I notice you mentioned stopping your insulin possibly in order to lose weight. Please don't ever do this. It can be very dangerous.

Ask as many questions as you want here. There are lots of people who are supportive and friendly :)
 
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