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High Blood sugar

kenza

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi,
I am 71 year and have been a diabetic (type 2)for about 20yrs. I take 3 tablets of Metformin 500mg 3 times daily +
1 tab Amarel 1mg. My blood sugar is 4.5/5.5 mmol before breakfast (about 5.30 am) which is ok.
My problem is before meal my blood sugar goes up to 9.5mmol. and two hours later 11mmol.
I have increased Amaral to 2mg without success
 
The first question is - what do you have for breakfast which is making you spike so high?
 
Hello and welcome!

I'm not fully understanding your post. You say before breakfast you are 4.5/5.0 and then you say before meal it goes up to 9.5. Which meal are you talking about here? Is this your lunch or another meal?

I see you are Amaryl (Glimepiride), which is a drug that stimulates your pancreas to produce extra insulin post meal so you do have some extra help in that respect.
 
Hi,
I am 71 year and have been a diabetic (type 2)for about 20yrs. I take 3 tablets of Metformin 500mg 3 times daily +
1 tab Amarel 1mg. My blood sugar is 4.5/5.5 mmol before breakfast (about 5.30 am) which is ok.
My problem is before meal my blood sugar goes up to 9.5mmol. and two hours later 11mmol.
I have increased Amaral to 2mg without success

It sounds like you have a problem with the dawn phenomena which increases your blood sugar after you wake up The acual rise form the meal itself is not too bad. I have the same problem.
I have found that the dawn phenomenon is less if stop eating by 7 pm , it is also less if I am in calories deficit the preceeding days and if I am in ketosis.

It also helps to stop the rise if you eat as soon as you wake up .
hope this helps
 
Hi,
For breakfast (5.30 am)I eat 50gms of brown bread and butter and 1to2 cups of tea with full cream milk with artificial sweetner
At 7.30am I take 1 biscuit of Bokomo Sunny-bisk lite with some milk.
for Lunch (11.30 am) 100gms of Brown bread with tuna or 1 fried egg or cheddar cheese + 1 cup of tea.
Dinner rice with whole grains or vegetables or roasted chicken
 
Hi Kenza,

If you are eating 50g of brown bread first thing in the morning then that is probably the cause of your spike. I ate one slice of bread with my breakfast once and promptly ended up at 11.5 from around 5.5.

You diet is very high in carbohydrates, many of us find cutting them down drastically helps enormously . i.e. no bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. or sugar of any kind.
 
@kenza

Yes, your high glucose levels are being caused by your diet I'm afraid. All carbohydrate converts to glucose once inside the system, so it is a food group we need to be very careful with. The worst ones are bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, cereals and flour. We also need to be careful with milk and fruit as they also contain a lot of sugar.

I will tag @daisy1 who has some very useful information for new comers. Please have a read and take note of the role of carbohydrates.
 
Hi,
For breakfast (5.30 am)I eat 50gms of brown bread and butter and 1to2 cups of tea with full cream milk with artificial sweetner
At 7.30am I take 1 biscuit of Bokomo Sunny-bisk lite with some milk.
for Lunch (11.30 am) 100gms of Brown bread with tuna or 1 fried egg or cheddar cheese + 1 cup of tea.
Dinner rice with whole grains or vegetables or roasted chicken
Your fasting BG levels seem OK. However you are piling on the carbs. The brown bread, bokomo bisk and rice are all carb heavy.

What you need to do is consider some low carb alternatives. As an example a good fry up in the morning without any bread. Sounds counterintuitive doesnt it? But it really does work.

Given that you are taking drugs to control your BG levels please proceed with care and if possible get your GP onside. I would suggest you test more frequently when you reduce carbs to ensure you avoid hypos.

I would suggest you eat to your meter. Test before a meal and immediately after and then 2 hours later to see the effect of different foods. We do not all react to the same foods in the same manner. As an example I found out that blueberries send my BG rocketing whereas raspberries and blackberries just raise it within acceptable limits.
 
@kenza

Hello Kenza and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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