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High BS on low/non carb meals?

Kazzabon

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Hi All

Don't really want to get into the debate for or against low carb but pre-pump it worked for me whereby I was able to cut carbs and reduce insulin = loss of weight. However, now I'm on the pump I'm finding that my blood sugars are rising quite a bit even after non or extremely low carb meals.

I also tried a protein drink for breakfasts on the run - just 2g of carb per drink - and my BS again rocketed..........

My weight didn't move either which is a bummer but it's the blood sugars I really can't get a handle on.

Anyone out there experienced similar?
 
I don't know how our actual bodies work in techno terms....but saying that:

1) exercise can cause the BG's to go up
2) when changing any form of eating pattern, from pre diabetic to lower carbs etc...our bodies as far as I am concerned have to get used to the new regimes of food....and it is just a case of test, test, test until normalish levels again....

I'm on a pump too, and have found this with different types of medication....our bodies have to get used to change of any type whether physical or mental.....

The same will go for the weight issue....sorry, but our bodies need time to change....and can level off and then seem to kick back in again to losing weight.....

Nothingwith our bodies is the same on a constant basis.....the only thing that is the same is the response....test,test, test and find what works for you....
 
I'm having the same problem since taking 2x500 metformin plus low carb. diet my first morning test is up. and i have put on little more weight, i have been on the same low gi diet for 5 yrs. It is all very confusing.
 
Kazzabon,

I'll bump this post up for you, we did have low-carbers quite active on the forum last night but they seem to have over-looked your post so here's hoping!

Nigel
 
Hi,

Well, based on nothing more than how it is for me (and I am not strictly lo carb) even if I have a cheese omelette, I need a smidgen of insulin to keep my bg on track. It isn't much, but I do need some.

Not sure of the details...(also hoping for an expert to reply!) but I believe it is someting to do with how the body breaks down protein. :?:
 
As a confirmed Type 2 low-carber I would love to help, but I know nothing whatsoever about pumps or insulin, so I don't feel qualified to comment.

"That can't possibly happen" would not be helpful, as it obviously is happening!

I wasn't ignoring the problem, though, and will be interested to read further posts. I'm intrigued!

Viv 8)
 
I have to bolus for no carb meals especially eggs. Indeed I have to bolus as much for a trad English breakfast as for my normal porridge and berries. That's no different now though to when I was on MDI.

This has got some scientific basis. It isn't just carbs that cause insulin to be released in people without diabetes and if a non diabetic produces it , then surely we need it too.

Jenny Brand Miller before she got involved with the glycemic index was involved with a small study in which they tested portions of different foods containing the same amounts of calories to find the insulin response, obviously in non diabetics.
Some of the protein foods elicited surprisingly high amounts of insulin, cheese for example caused a similar amount of insulin to be released as porridge, beef more than pasta. They created a simple insulin index.
More recently , again in another very small study, they did some studies on mixed meals using these foods. They used their index to predict the insulin response to the meals. It was moderately successful.
They found that a meal of beef steak and potatoes ( ≈40 g carbohydrate ) produced twice the insulin response of meal of grain bread, peanut butter, and milk despite a similar amount of carbohydrate (≈37 g )
One meal pasta and lentils 63g carb produced the same amount of insulin as the grain bread, peanut butter, and milk meal with 37g of carb .
Like their first study it was very small so underpowered and nothing anyone could work with but does demonstrate that the amount of insulin released in non Ds (and I assume T2s) isn't totally determined by the amount of carbohydrate.
insulin index:
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
mixed meal experiment
http://www.ajcn.org/content/90/4/986.long

I don't know where that leaves us as it suggests that dosing according to carb content alone isn't necessarily very accurate and it's not just the effect of adding the protein either as different protein foods produced different responses.
Practically, I know that with meals I eat regularly I tend to use the number of carbs and think about the GI when first eating someting or at a restaurand. Then in future I adjust the dose according to previous experience rather than completely accept what might pump tells me.
More of an art than a science!
 
Well, nothings easy is it? I am getting a better result using a combo bolus 20% 80% over 90 minutes for a very low carb meal (chicken & salad for example) but the amount is a guestimate at the mo.

I'm happy that it's not just me and am grateful for all the advice.......cheers guys!
 
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