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High numbers despite six week LCHF

What's for breakfast.?

It took me a long time to find the right BF and if I didn't I was off all day long. I don't tolerate carbs at BF and very little protein if any. It's usually half an avocado smashed with sea salt and celery sticks. As the day goes on I become more insulin sensative but the mornings are volitile with all the hormones waking up. Just a fatty vegetarian BF keeps me much steadier through the day. I eat protein with lunch and dinner
 
I don't eat any refined carbs. Typical day is as follows:

Breakfast - either a piece of cheese and an apple, or tomato, OR scrambled egg OR nothing

Lunch - ham/beef/chicken Cream cheese and rocket wraps (meat spread with a little philli, rolled up with rocket.), and an apple.

Dinner - green veg sautéed in butter with fish or meat. Or salad, mushrooms, stuff like that.

I can't eat gluten, it makes me ill, and potato and rice makes me go to sleep. The only seriously "carby" things I eat are apples. But they don't put my levels up at all.




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I used to be vegetarian. I even dream about lentils sometimes lol, but I'm allergic to avocado so my options are a bit limited. Love celery though.

What do you think? Should I try fasting? - I don't want to hijack this thread with my weirdness...


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Sounds like a great menu. Apples would definalety put me up. Sad because I love them.

Are you concerned about your numbers or weight? I'm sorry I don't remember

I don't eat any starch or it either makes me ill or as you said sleepy. And now of course I don't because I'm diabetic
 
The apple thing is strange, I know. My mum and brother are both T2 and can't eat them, but they can both do strawberries. I can't. Last time I had strawberries I was dizzy and fast asleep within an hour.
I've been focusing on weight until recently ignoring numbers. I really need to focus on numbers now, although losing weight would be good too.


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Have you tested bg an hour after eating? Reason I ask is that when I was a newbie I used to have porridge and at two hours was at normal level. Didn't think twice til someone advised me on here to check after an hour for the peak spike and it was 11.6! A cupcake would do leads to me! Shocking. I personally have to watch carbs from whatever source they're from....but we are all different.

Otherwise diet sounds fine. Do you have enough fat in there? Protein will lead to increased levels too once liver works it's magic..

And don't worry about weirdness or hijacking - that's what this place is for and how else would we learn? X


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I have done the hour test sometimes, usually when I test before lunch and it's very high. I'll eat an apple, then test at one and two hours. It's lower after one hour and a lot lower after two. I don't know if it would have dropped anyway, with out the apple. My pre dinner readings seem to be lower if I eat an apple at lunch than if I don't, but I'd need to do a prober experiment to be sure.


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Interesting!
If it were me, I'd keep a log of what I'm eating and pre/post readings then build my menu around readings. That's how I know what I can eat....

The body is an interesting machine and so individual. X


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hornplayer said:
The apple thing is strange, I know. My mum and brother are both T2 and can't eat them, but they can both do strawberries. I can't. Last time I had strawberries I was dizzy and fast asleep within an hour.
I've been focusing on weight until recently ignoring numbers. I really need to focus on numbers now, although losing weight would be good too.


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What are your numbers typically fasting and after meals?
I used to fast and it worked great but I need insulin in the morning or I go up so I eat a small BF at around 8 and then a small lunch around 3 and a small dinner around 6:30. If you're not into fasting, calorie restriction has a lot of the same benefits on both bs and weight loss. As Deb said I need to keep carbs very low no matter where they come from. I need to stay in ketosis or a will gain weight. For me that means 20 carbs or less a day and just enough protein for maintenance and repair. For me that's around 30-35 grams and I divide that into 3 meals. Extra protein certainly takes me out of ketosis. I eat VLC, moderate protein and just enough fat to satisfy. I use mayo and avocado as my main fats. Dairy packs the pounds on me just as much as carbs so I don't eat it.

It doesn't sound like you're over eating but I have no idea how big your portion sizes are. If it were me I would ditch the dairy as it is a very well known weight staller and replace the apples with some fat.
Another thing worth mentioning is if you are gluten intolerant you are most likely dairy intolerant too. They typically go hand in hand even if you don't FEEL symptoms. They have the same protein molecule and your body still perceives dairy as gluten.
 
hornplayer said:
I used to be vegetarian. I even dream about lentils sometimes lol, but I'm allergic to avocado so my options are a bit limited. Love celery though.

What do you think? Should I try fasting? - I don't want to hijack this thread with my weirdness...


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You're not hijacking at all horn player! I am learning so much from other people's input, and I am also learning that other people have very similar problems to me, with DP and erratic numbers. I'm trying to establish a lifestyle for myself at about 50 carbs. I don't think I'm ready to fast yet because I don't know my body well enough yet. But keep coming up with all this information!
 
Many of us need to stay under 20 carbs to see steady numbers. We also need to watch our portions of protein. LCHF does not mean high protein.

As for fasting, I don't do it anymore either but I do do calorie restriction by eating 3 small snack sized meals and maybe a couple nuts in between. Calorie restriction can have some of the same effects as fasting
By small I mean
BF is half and avocado smashed with sea salt and eaten with celery. 8 am
Lunch is usually just one ounce of protein with a mayo based dressing mixed with either horseradish, mustard or hot sauce on a lettuce wrap and a few pieces of celery and one radish. 1/4 avocado 3 pm
Dinner is 2 oz protein on a wrap with the mayo mix and 1/4 avocado with either a small handful of steamed veg or some raw. Sometimes a small salad 6:30 pm

I use appetizer plate as measuring cups. I do weigh my protein because it has a profound effect on me. Some people get no effect. Worth testing.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself. I'm on a few threads and can't remember what I posted where haha
 
Be careful o calorie restriction as that will lower metabolic output and stall weight loss too. Back to Jason Fung again!


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Debmcgee said:
Be careful o calorie restriction as that will lower metabolic output and stall weight loss too. Back to Jason Fung again!


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I believe this could be true for some people but not me. I need to keep an eye on calories of all kinds. If Im not hungry and that amount of calories keeps me going then that's all I need. I have never needed lots of cals. And when I have eaten I have just gained fat which I don't need. Fasting for days or many hours can certainly be called calorie restriction.
 
Going to have to check out Jason Fung I think.

I will start testing more and keeping a log I think. If I get any interesting results I'll post them.

To be honest, I had fallen into the trap of eating too few calories. I stopped losing weight and panicked. I started on low carb versions of some of the established groups. I figured that they must know what they're doing and I thought that maybe having someone insult me and lecture me on the "benefits of sugar free jelly" once a week, would help me stay on track. It really didn't. I gained weight and all they said - when they weren't accusing me of living on doughnuts, was that I had to stick with it and it would come off when I was "in balance".

I need to get back to where I was before my .... Hiccup. It's going to take a bit of tweaking. I start to get very tired around 2.30. Probably because my sugar levels are down off my morning high. Coffee used to be my lifeline. - the only way to face twelve 7 year olds with trumpets, but I've had to give up caffeine.


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Debmcgee said:
Brun knows everything - she's a smart gal


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Hahaha! If Brun knew everything, she would be slim having reversed her D and celebrating a winning lottery ticket.
Don't kid yerself - there is always MASSES more to learn. :D
 
hornplayer said:
Going to have to check out Jason Fung I think.

I will start testing more and keeping a log I think. If I get any interesting results I'll post them.

To be honest, I had fallen into the trap of eating too few calories. I stopped losing weight and panicked. I started on low carb versions of some of the established groups. I figured that they must know what they're doing and I thought that maybe having someone insult me and lecture me on the "benefits of sugar free jelly" once a week, would help me stay on track. It really didn't. I gained weight and all they said - when they weren't accusing me of living on doughnuts, was that I had to stick with it and it would come off when I was "in balance".

I need to get back to where I was before my .... Hiccup. It's going to take a bit of tweaking. I start to get very tired around 2.30. Probably because my sugar levels are down off my morning high. Coffee used to be my lifeline. - the only way to face twelve 7 year olds with trumpets, but I've had to give up caffeine.


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Have you seen this?
It is tragic, and all too familiar!
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/biggest-loser-diet-explained/
 
When I was type 2 and bs was a tad higher than I liked I'd have a very small fat snack, just enough to provoke an insulin response but not raise bs, like piece of celery with a tsp almond butter and my bs would come down. Sounds like that might work for you as well. Just a bite of something VLC and VLP. Sounds like you are still producing a bunch of insulin so the snack just provokes it. Maybe a bite of cheese too. Dairy raises insulin
 
Kristin251 said:
I believe this could be true for some people but not me. I need to keep an eye on calories of all kinds. If Im not hungry and that amount of calories keeps me going then that's all I need. I have never needed lots of cals. And when I have eaten I have just gained fat which I don't need. Fasting for days or many hours can certainly be called calorie restriction.
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Actually intermittent fasting boosts metabolism and is scientifically backed. Look at Jason Fung. He dispels the myths that so many of us believe these days.


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Wow, thanks for the link. That's fascinating.

Sometimes I wish we could all just press a reset button, and all the received "wisdom" clogging our brains would be gone. It doesn't help that some of the people we turn to to help us lose weight are basically on a power trip. - A friend of mine, a lovely guy in his early 30's who is, unfortunately, over 30 stone (6ft 5) and newly diagnosed pre diabetic, had such a bad experience at a local slimming world club that he never went back. I'm really worried about him.


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You can do it @hornplayer! Mind over matter.

I've been thinking non stop about food for the last 45 mins - only 23 mins left to go til I eat! I know it's psychological and I could definitely keep going longer....


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