Hourly meals

[Bluetit1802]

@Lamont D

How is the incessant eating going? You were doing it this weekend, weren't you?
Been thinking of you all morning!

He hasn't had time to post - too busy eating.

 

[Freema]

. Totally stuffed like a sausage

 

[Lamont D]

During the past month, I have taken on board how much I need to eat and the time between meals to see and decide my future health and dietary needs,
I did think that I had already got the balance as good as I thought it could be, but for some reason my endocrinologist was concerned about my not getting the right nutrition in the right amount for my future health. he surmised that because I was intermittent fasting and only small meals two or three times a day that it wasn't enough. I have accepted that longer fasts are not necessary for me and would only use longer than 24 hours to get me back into ketosis.
Being in normal blood glucose range is where I know my body likes it to be and will tell me in no uncertain terms that it doesn't like it other than in normal range.
So for the first trial I tried was to see what eating every hour after fasting overnight for twelve hours from 9pm to 9am.Then eat every hour then fast again overnight. This took a lot of preparation and planning. I wanted to stick to a schedule that would give a balanced daily intake of meat, veg and very small portions of fruit and would still limit my carb total of around 50gms throughout the twelve hours.
I would test pre meal for the twelve hours. Of course because i was eating every hour, they would only be a few bites per meal. I didn't want to eat too much.
So the first day I started with a few spoonsful of full fat yogurt and a few berries, my pre meal was 5.1 mmols. next hour was 4.9mmols and a small apple.
I had curry, soup and other concoctions, as well as fresh meat, fish, veg and small bits of fish lined up for all of the two days I was doing this experiment.
To say i was struggling with eating every hour, clock watching, and being mindful that all the way through, i was never hungry or wanting food. things you do to advance science!
Needless to say, i missed two meals, as i just couldn't face them. I did eat prior to the 12 hour fast. i added a little more protein and dropped my fat intake to see if this would make a difference. It didn't! Nor did it make me feel any less wanting to do the trial! I again struggled to want to eat, i was forcing myself to eat, Towards evening, I gave in and didn't eat again till the following day.
To say it was disappointing and totally unsustainable for me!
I wasted food and a ball ache doing the prep and planning, shopping and a waste of my timeas I am usually busy!
So during the next few days , having given much thought to alter my dietary needs, I wondered if every two hours would work instead?
The usual recommended dietary intake for Reactive hypoglycaemia is to eat every three hours , I have tried this for a few years until I found that I didn't need to, if my carb intake was really low or I was fasting, there has been much speculation in other types of metabolic conditions especially type 2 that are susceptible to certain food intolerance especially high GI or starchy types of carbs. Intermittent fasting and a higher fat, low carb approach will help tremendously towards getting better blood glucose levels down including Hba1c test levels. It has certainly helped me controlling my blood glucose levels and losing weightand most importantly maintaining control. It has also helped with my general health and a lot of medical problems have either reduced dramatically or gone completely.

So I decided to further my test to eat every two hoursduring a working day. My usual day starts with breakfast at 7am and in work for 7.30am and finish at 3,30pm. I usually eat around once or twice during these hours and feel no ill effect from the lack of food.
So as normal, I had breakfast my pre meal was 5,1mmols. I had bacon and egg.
9am, 4.8mmols, small apple.
11am 5.3mmols, chicken leg.
1pm, 5,7mmols, gammon and salad.
3pm, 4.9mmols a few nuts and a tangerine.
Back home, 5pm 4.2mmols, small salad, spinach, breast of chicken.
7pm, 5.3mmols, veg soup.
skipped 9pm for yogurt at ten, pre meal 5.6mmols.
This was more successful, but I couldn't possibly sustain this! There is no way i could eat this much or this often!

I'm convinced that the two hour is better clearly better than the one hour, just as I'm convinced that the three hour is better than the two hour! And I'm also convinced that if I use intermittent fasting along with a very low carb, higher fat is better than the three hour! Eating when I want is really more satisfying than having to eat! As long as I'm sensible about what I eat and when!

My next target is to find the right balance to be sustainable for my future health. If that means I use all the different ways of how I eat, so be it! My health is the overriding critical point of all this!

I just wonder, though, that my specialist endocrinologist has done this on purpose, to try and persuade myself that eating the three hour gap with complex carbs is the best way to treat the condition. He does think that these types of carbs are a neccesity!

I disagree and am proving it every single day!

I have an unusual and rare condition, what is normal and healthy, is not normal and healthy for me!

 

[lindisfel]

During the past month, I have taken on board how much I need to eat and the time between meals to see and decide my future health and dietary needs,
I did think that I had already got the balance as good as I thought it could be, but for some reason my endocrinologist was concerned about my not getting the right nutrition in the right amount for my future health. he surmised that because I was intermittent fasting and only small meals two or three times a day that it wasn't enough. I have accepted that longer fasts are not necessary for me and would only use longer than 24 hours to get me back into ketosis.
Being in normal blood glucose range is where I know my body likes it to be and will tell me in no uncertain terms that it doesn't like it other than in normal range.
So for the first trial I tried was to see what eating every hour after fasting overnight for twelve hours from 9pm to 9am.Then eat every hour then fast again overnight. This took a lot of preparation and planning. I wanted to stick to a schedule that would give a balanced daily intake of meat, veg and very small portions of fruit and would still limit my carb total of around 50gms throughout the twelve hours.
I would test pre meal for the twelve hours. Of course because i was eating every hour, they would only be a few bites per meal. I didn't want to eat too much.
So the first day I started with a few spoonsful of full fat yogurt and a few berries, my pre meal was 5.1 mmols. next hour was 4.9mmols and a small apple.
I had curry, soup and other concoctions, as well as fresh meat, fish, veg and small bits of fish lined up for all of the two days I was doing this experiment.
To say i was struggling with eating every hour, clock watching, and being mindful that all the way through, i was never hungry or wanting food. things you do to advance science!
Needless to say, i missed two meals, as i just couldn't face them. I did eat prior to the 12 hour fast. i added a little more protein and dropped my fat intake to see if this would make a difference. It didn't! Nor did it make me feel any less wanting to do the trial! I again struggled to want to eat, i was forcing myself to eat, Towards evening, I gave in and didn't eat again till the following day.
To say it was disappointing and totally unsustainable for me!
I wasted food and a ball ache doing the prep and planning, shopping and a waste of my timeas I am usually busy!
So during the next few days , having given much thought to alter my dietary needs, I wondered if every two hours would work instead?
The usual recommended dietary intake for Reactive hypoglycaemia is to eat every three hours , I have tried this for a few years until I found that I didn't need to, if my carb intake was really low or I was fasting, there has been much speculation in other types of metabolic conditions especially type 2 that are susceptible to certain food intolerance especially high GI or starchy types of carbs. Intermittent fasting and a higher fat, low carb approach will help tremendously towards getting better blood glucose levels down including Hba1c test levels. It has certainly helped me controlling my blood glucose levels and losing weightand most importantly maintaining control. It has also helped with my general health and a lot of medical problems have either reduced dramatically or gone completely.

So I decided to further my test to eat every two hoursduring a working day. My usual day starts with breakfast at 7am and in work for 7.30am and finish at 3,30pm. I usually eat around once or twice during these hours and feel no ill effect from the lack of food.
So as normal, I had breakfast my pre meal was 5,1mmols. I had bacon and egg.
9am, 4.8mmols, small apple.
11am 5.3mmols, chicken leg.
1pm, 5,7mmols, gammon and salad.
3pm, 4.9mmols a few nuts and a tangerine.
Back home, 5pm 4.2mmols, small salad, spinach, breast of chicken.
7pm, 5.3mmols, veg soup.
skipped 9pm for yogurt at ten, pre meal 5.6mmols.
This was more successful, but I couldn't possibly sustain this! There is no way i could eat this much or this often!

I'm convinced that the two hour is better clearly better than the one hour, just as I'm convinced that the three hour is better than the two hour! And I'm also convinced that if I use intermittent fasting along with a very low carb, higher fat is better than the three hour! Eating when I want is really more satisfying than having to eat! As long as I'm sensible about what I eat and when!

My next target is to find the right balance to be sustainable for my future health. If that means I use all the different ways of how I eat, so be it! My health is the overriding critical point of all this!

I just wonder, though, that my specialist endocrinologist has done this on purpose, to try and persuade myself that eating the three hour gap with complex carbs is the best way to treat the condition. He does think that these types of carbs are a neccesity!

I disagree and am proving it every single day!

I have an unusual and rare condition, what is normal and healthy, is not normal and healthy for me!

Hi Lamont,
You have had a struggle but no doubt you will win through.
Did you see the Salim Yusuf video on Youtube? It was interesting, he said Legumes were benificial! But I would think they have complex carbs as well as protein. Some type 2 will not eat them!
Malcolm Kendrick in his last section reckons if we eat oranges and take viagra we'll live forever!
It is a difficult course to plot if we are ruled by experts and don't have a meter! atb Derek

 

[AndBreathe]

During the past month, I have taken on board how much I need to eat and the time between meals to see and decide my future health and dietary needs,
I did think that I had already got the balance as good as I thought it could be, but for some reason my endocrinologist was concerned about my not getting the right nutrition in the right amount for my future health. he surmised that because I was intermittent fasting and only small meals two or three times a day that it wasn't enough. I have accepted that longer fasts are not necessary for me and would only use longer than 24 hours to get me back into ketosis.
Being in normal blood glucose range is where I know my body likes it to be and will tell me in no uncertain terms that it doesn't like it other than in normal range.
So for the first trial I tried was to see what eating every hour after fasting overnight for twelve hours from 9pm to 9am.Then eat every hour then fast again overnight. This took a lot of preparation and planning. I wanted to stick to a schedule that would give a balanced daily intake of meat, veg and very small portions of fruit and would still limit my carb total of around 50gms throughout the twelve hours.
I would test pre meal for the twelve hours. Of course because i was eating every hour, they would only be a few bites per meal. I didn't want to eat too much.
So the first day I started with a few spoonsful of full fat yogurt and a few berries, my pre meal was 5.1 mmols. next hour was 4.9mmols and a small apple.
I had curry, soup and other concoctions, as well as fresh meat, fish, veg and small bits of fish lined up for all of the two days I was doing this experiment.
To say i was struggling with eating every hour, clock watching, and being mindful that all the way through, i was never hungry or wanting food. things you do to advance science!
Needless to say, i missed two meals, as i just couldn't face them. I did eat prior to the 12 hour fast. i added a little more protein and dropped my fat intake to see if this would make a difference. It didn't! Nor did it make me feel any less wanting to do the trial! I again struggled to want to eat, i was forcing myself to eat, Towards evening, I gave in and didn't eat again till the following day.
To say it was disappointing and totally unsustainable for me!
I wasted food and a ball ache doing the prep and planning, shopping and a waste of my timeas I am usually busy!
So during the next few days , having given much thought to alter my dietary needs, I wondered if every two hours would work instead?
The usual recommended dietary intake for Reactive hypoglycaemia is to eat every three hours , I have tried this for a few years until I found that I didn't need to, if my carb intake was really low or I was fasting, there has been much speculation in other types of metabolic conditions especially type 2 that are susceptible to certain food intolerance especially high GI or starchy types of carbs. Intermittent fasting and a higher fat, low carb approach will help tremendously towards getting better blood glucose levels down including Hba1c test levels. It has certainly helped me controlling my blood glucose levels and losing weightand most importantly maintaining control. It has also helped with my general health and a lot of medical problems have either reduced dramatically or gone completely.

So I decided to further my test to eat every two hoursduring a working day. My usual day starts with breakfast at 7am and in work for 7.30am and finish at 3,30pm. I usually eat around once or twice during these hours and feel no ill effect from the lack of food.
So as normal, I had breakfast my pre meal was 5,1mmols. I had bacon and egg.
9am, 4.8mmols, small apple.
11am 5.3mmols, chicken leg.
1pm, 5,7mmols, gammon and salad.
3pm, 4.9mmols a few nuts and a tangerine.
Back home, 5pm 4.2mmols, small salad, spinach, breast of chicken.
7pm, 5.3mmols, veg soup.
skipped 9pm for yogurt at ten, pre meal 5.6mmols.
This was more successful, but I couldn't possibly sustain this! There is no way i could eat this much or this often!

I'm convinced that the two hour is better clearly better than the one hour, just as I'm convinced that the three hour is better than the two hour! And I'm also convinced that if I use intermittent fasting along with a very low carb, higher fat is better than the three hour! Eating when I want is really more satisfying than having to eat! As long as I'm sensible about what I eat and when!

My next target is to find the right balance to be sustainable for my future health. If that means I use all the different ways of how I eat, so be it! My health is the overriding critical point of all this!

I just wonder, though, that my specialist endocrinologist has done this on purpose, to try and persuade myself that eating the three hour gap with complex carbs is the best way to treat the condition. He does think that these types of carbs are a neccesity!

I disagree and am proving it every single day!

I have an unusual and rare condition, what is normal and healthy, is not normal and healthy for me!

Of course, I'm not party to the discussions you have with your Endo, but surely provided you are symptom-free (i.e. no yo-yo fly/crash activity) any modest variation in food intake on a day to day basis is just white noise?

If you are recording your food, and he can identify what you may be deficient in, then that's different, but if it's the carbs, then I'd be asking for current scientific evidence it's wholly necessary.

Whatever we do has to be sustainable, else all he is doing is putting you onto a wagon you're likely to take take excursions from for a whole raft of reasons, including life just getting in the way.

I know from time to time, many of us find food has become more fuel that gastronomic delight, but it's good to have options.

Do you take an accurate food diary when you go to your appointments? By accurate, I don't mean, "Oh, I have bacon and egg for breakfast, followed by an apple etc., I mean recorded and weighed portions as well as what foods. Without that detail, I can't really see how your Endo knows you're not eating enough of anything.

One man's snack os another's feast, in my experience.

I have no doubt your Endo is trying to do his best for you.

 

[Lamont D]

Of course, I'm not party to the discussions you have with your Endo, but surely provided you are symptom-free (i.e. no yo-yo fly/crash activity) any modest variation in food intake on a day to day basis is just white noise?

I agree

If you are recording your food, and he can identify what you may be deficient in, then that's different, but if it's the carbs, then I'd be asking for current scientific evidence it's wholly necessary.

I have discussed this with him a few times.

Whatever we do has to be sustainable, else all he is doing is putting you onto a wagon you're likely to take take excursions from for a whole raft of reasons, including life just getting in the way.

I agree, it's bad enough having to miss foods that I cook for the wife without the temptation of not being resilient about easy attainable junk food!

I know from time to time, many of us find food has become more fuel that gastronomic delight, but it's good to have options.

You cannot possibly eat for eating sake, that way lies madness!
My body tells me when I need to eat and it has to be sustainable and tasty, which good full fat can be!

Do you take an accurate food diary when you go to your appointments? By accurate, I don't mean, "Oh, I have bacon and egg for breakfast, followed by an apple etc., I mean recorded and weighed portions as well as what foods. Without that detail, I can't really see how your Endo knows you're not eating enough of anything.
Oh my god, yeah, I have tomes of information on how my experience and experimenting went, except for weighing and counting calories and carbs, but I'd read and record approximation of the few carbs o do have. He has often said whilst reading my diary (volume 12!) That I don't have enough carbs and roughage in my diet. But as I've often said to him, why fix something that's not broken and my health has improved so much because of it!

One man's snack os another's feast, in my experience.

I agree!

I have no doubt your Endo is trying to do his best for you.

I have nothing but praise for the man that did literally save my life.
Without him recognising the symptoms and perseverance in getting tests for me, I know I would be dead!

I think sometimes that it is a learning curve for both of us and it has always been the case of trial and error. I have read so much on the subject of RH and treatment and every one says to have complex carbs in one way or another to offset the hypos. But as Brun and I have discovered we don't if we don't get the hyper, we don't hypo!
The important treatment that we have discovered through having RH, is to stay within normal blood glucose levels and our health is much better and we have good control without the complex carbs as much as possible!
That is similar in how type two that have food intolerance to starchy carbs, need to not have them, and their control and health improves.
The bottom line is, I have a condition that can't tolerate many carbs, I'm glucose and sugar, starchy veg and dairy intolerant!
If it was an allergy, would you advise eating them?
No, I wouldn't either!