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HOW CAN THEY PUT ME INTO ESA WRAG GROUP WHEN MY WIFE IS CARE

Discussion in 'Benefits' started by littlesteve, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. littlesteve

    littlesteve · Member

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    Hello, since writing that,
    I was put into support group, coz I was having hypos day in day out too many to mention, they tried me on omnipod, best thing since sliced bread, but only stopped me from having to do so many injections, control was still not obtainable, and still extremely dangerous, I have severe neuropathy, in both feet and hands, and am now on morphine based tablets because they have tried everything else, can hardly walk, and hands are closing up coz also have chloripathy but some of specialists ( top ones in country in london ) have not seen anything like it with my hands, July 2012 had a PANCREAS only transplant and although went and still going through the grindstone with it, pancreas still holding out, but damage has been done to nerves in hands and feet, am in continuous pain with them, and at times becomes overpowering, only wish could have had transplant years ago, but spose you cud keep wishing, wife has to sort medication etc, staff at london hospital and Oxford hospital amazing, was hoping for maybe some improvement with neuropathy but hasnt, been through the card about can get worse b4 getting better but hands and feet are not improving and getting worse and Docs. not holding out any hope, still classed as Diabetic, coz they call it ongoing treatment, depending how long the transplant lasts for, operation was 12 hours, 10 hours in surgary and 2 in recovery, pancreas attached to bladder, so have 2 pancreas s now, just grateful for the Donor, and the donors family, was on active list 3 WEEKS !!!!!! coz was so dangerous, feeling sad for me self when having so many hypos, without warnings, I used to get really good warnings, so could do windsurfing for 27 years Winter, summer etc now use waking stick !!!!!!! used to be so active and fit but then couldnt go outside house without wife, like 6 year old child, now cant go outside coz of pain in feet, and in danger falling over, now taking so many anti-rejection drugs etc, some of the side effects !!!!!!! Would I go through with it again ???? not sure!!!! operation was ***** !!!!!! but recovered well as can be very dangerous, if didnt have this nerve damage would be amazing!!!!! spose cant have everything in this world!!!!!! just me being greedy LOL, as very fortunate, but got type 1 Diabetes in 1968 and now 53 and as nurses and docs. kept saying " Well your still here, even with all your problems" other damn thing have is short term memory loss coz of bad Hypos IV had in past, just thort would let you know how have got on since that post of mine, Oh yeah!!! am on level 2 DLA wife is carer and in the support group, hate it but without help!!!!!! I literally cry coz I would love to goto work as have worked all my life, and cameron telling you he is giving you pennys and taking away pounds!!!!!! want to tell him to stuff the lot, but cant do anything workwise coz of problems, get so angry when newspapers and Gov. treat you like scum of the earth, worked since age of 15 til about 3 years ago brought family up, 2nd youngest daughter in army, has served 3 tours Afghanistan and her husband she is 24 been in since 16 from army college, and I get treated like this!!!!!! Ill get off me soapbox now

    Steve
     
  2. SueR

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    They have an easy system.. If you turn up to the medical you are fit for work..

    My sympathies to everyone having hassles, we are in the same boat along with every person who gets invited in for these 'joke' assessments. They are totally unrealistic and the more I read about them the more horrified I become. CAB have told us that they would be rich if they received a pound for everyone who comes to them over these medicals.

    Roll on the next election and let's get rid of these morons, put a government in that doesn't take from the sick and the poor to give to the rich.
     
  3. Finzi

    Finzi · Well-Known Member

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    And if you don't turn up to the medical, your benefit is stopped.



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  4. littlesteve

    littlesteve · Member

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    They called me in 3 times over 13 months and I won each time,
    last time was June last year just b4 me transplant and specialist faxed Atos direct saying " YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME WITH MR R. AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO CARRY ON LIKE THIS IT WILL BE CLASSED AS HARASSMENT AND BULLYING " THEN GOT LETTER FROM ATOS all sweet and crawling saying didnt av to attend medical that was monday b4 fridays assesment with them, then got phone call from them on tuesday all polite and crawling again then another call from them on the thursday telling me didnt av to attend, I said " YEAH I KNOW, HAD LETTER , AND PHONE CALL ALREADY TELLING ME " they replied " WELL WE DO LIKE TO DO THE BELT AND BRACES " prior to this they spoke to me like rubbish, I think with what the specialists had faxed to them frightened them they absolute !!!!!!!!!!!, they dont listen to you, lie at assessment coz thats what happedned to me orig. and wife was witness, when got copy of medical report, thought they had sent me someone elses !!!!!!! she never got from behind her desk coz she said I can see you need to go into support group from letters, but on the medical report said cud go back to work within 6 months!!!!!!!! this is when no Hypo awareness at all, and wife had to be with me plus the neuropathy if they told me it daylight outside of a lunchtime, i would have to check it, tried to complain to GMC, complete waste of time, then found out 8 months later GMC was given directive by Government not to investigate any of Atos medical teams, wish we had an Oliver Cromwell, Id love to pull the levers on the scaffolds to deal with this rubbish we have in charge

    Steve
     
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    Yup failure to attend the medicals mean no benefits.

    I am disgusted to read all of your comments - and yes I am going through it all at the moment - and I am scared of what will happen to me. The medical is a joke - I have read a friends report - with every answer you give being twisted to ensure that you fail. So called medically trained people do the assessment and all I can say is, if they were trained in a hospital then God help their poor patients. I wouldn't allow them to asses a cabbage let alone a human being.

    What the form should say is that brain washed morons - who fear losing their jobs if they don't hit their targets - will run through a set procedure which is guaranteed to find you fit for work. We have removed their humanity and caring and basically don't give a monkeys about you. We will take your benefits off you and you will be declared fit for work.

    Roll on the next election and yes I agree with littlesteve, lets hang the lot of them.
     
  6. littlesteve

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    Hello ,
    If you notice when ever cameron mentions getting peolple of the sick , he never mentions the chronically ill, or disabled !!!!!! Coz according to this Gov. there is no such thing !!!!!
    As well as hanging em, I hope cameron or one of his close family members gets some horrible disabling desease, then again there multi millionaires, the other thing that gets up my nose is that while cameron was still at school/University, I was working paying national insurance and tax, then he comes along and says ! Although you have paid in more than me ( coz he has army of accountants as well ) and although you cant work we are not gonna giv. you anything, what we will do is give you pennys and take away pounds, meanwhile we are going to pay Atos £390,000,000 quid, to chase up and get back £12,000,000!!!!!!! WOULD YOU LET THIS MAN RUN A FISH AND CHIP STALL !! LET ALONE A COUNTRY!!!!! so which MP is getting the backhander for this, and the ATOS company is FRENCH!!!!!! the french hate us always have done, Coz Im a Historian, tech. changes people dont!!!!!!.
    As regards the Health care people working for ATOS, I said to one of my specialists that I believe Atos only employ people not fit enough for NHS and he said " I THINK THEY ARE ON SOME SORT OF BONUS SYSTEM " !!!!!! all the GP, Consultants etc I see HATE THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING THE MEDICAL PROFFESSION INTO DISREPUTE.
    Never ever in all the Specialists, GP, Consultants, I have seen since 1968 have they ever lied !!!! and so blatently as what this so called health care professional did to me and my wife, now with this PIP they are taking over the DLA role, May God have mercy on us, coz no one else will.

    STEVE
     
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    de130770 · Active Member

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    i am going thugh the change over at the moment of time from incapand income supart to the new esa.
    but what i would like to know if any one was told that esa was not a jobcenter plus and did dwp ask if thay could send your info ie name, address and inc no to atos?
    if thay did not tell you that it was an out side surce then we can have them for the dpa( data petcition act 1998 )
     
  8. Osidge

    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    You might find that JC+ are part off DWP and there would be no breach of the DPA in passing on information to ATOS.

    Regards

    Doug
     
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    I think the DWP would be quite happy not to pass your info on to ATOS if you were quite happy not to get any benefits :(
    Part and parcel of it, I'm afraid.

    ATOS are not nice. Even if they seem nice,they are not nice. Best to be forewarned.


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    The reason that you were put into the ESA WRAG group is simply this......................you are thought to have a prognosis that you will live longer than 6 months!!!!!! Seriously! The only people put into the 'supported group' are those not expected to live for more than six months. My wife has been put into the 'look for work' process because the report says that she is not expected to die within 6 months, yet the prognosis says that 'in the longer term she will be unable to work'. Appealing of course. :shock:
     
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    Peter - that isn't absolutely true. It is certainly one of the support group criteria, but isn't the only one. However, the criteria are *extremely* strict. It is fair to say that those who end up in the support group may not be terminally ill but are the most profoundly disabled of those who apply. For example, if you can't convey food or drink to your mouth by yourself, if you can't move either of your arms enough to be able to put something in a top pocket, if you are unable to chew or swallow, if you have no voluntary control of your bowels or bladder such that you have daily "extensive evacuation" and soiling (ie having a stoma doesn't count), you cannot transfer from one seat to another without the assistance of another person, if you are not able to turn the pages of a book with either hand, if you are not able to mobilise 50 meters either by walking or using a manual wheelchair. For the mental health descriptors, it is again the most profoundly mentally ill who are basically unable to function in everyday life and are likely to have significant care needs (ie anybody living independently would be very unlikely to qualify).



    Type 2 on Metformin, diagnosed Jan 2013, ultra low carber, Hba1C at diagnosis 8% (64), average BS now between 5 and 6 mmol.
     
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    does that mean if i fale to tale the guide dog and the guide cane with me to there medical and have extra novorapid befor getting there there is a charnce?
    take a standed gluco meter with me so there is no charnce of finding the result of the blood till i get home were i can conect it to the talking pc.
    fall over every thing including there chairs then put a clame in .
     
  13. Finzi

    Finzi · Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, no ;)

    Being blind isn't in the support group criteria (if that's what you were getting at). :). And loss of consciousness isn't either, so if you mean inducing a hypo by extra insulin, that won't make any difference! :)


    Type 2 on Metformin, diagnosed Jan 2013, ultra low carber, Hba1C at diagnosis 8% (64), average BS now between 5 and 6 mmol.
     
  14. littlesteve

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    I am in the support group, only after heavy fighting with loads of support
    Because of loss of conciousness as so dangerrous to be left on own, as no hypo awarenee, also severe neuropathy, but you do have to be bad and my wife is carer, would swop the pancreas, neuropathy back to my diabetes but with hypo awareness any time, then could work and do all my activitys I used to do, although have had pancreas transplant, still classed as diabetic because it is on going treatment, and due to neuropathy taking morphine based drugs as well as the dangerous anti- rejection drugs, Oh just give me my old type diabetes, have less freedom now, then before, can hardly walk at times, and hands closing up, used to do windsurfing, swordfencing etct etc, ONE BIG QUESTION FOR ME NOW AGED 53, INSULIN DIABETES SINCE 1968, AND ALWAYS WORKED SINCE AGE OF 15, AND ALWAYS ACTIVE AND FIT, IS THIS " WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE " ?????????

    STEVE
     
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    born 1970 taken to hospital in a comba in 1977 dionosed withe dibbetis, hade severl trips back and ford to hospital in combas till i left school in 1986
    lost my sight in 1997 soucal servercis did not want to know coul not dray insulin up as all i could do was gess how huch i was having .
    my local hospital would not do any thing for the sight loss or the diabetic for 1 year got transfered to moorefields london
    went thugh 6 eye oprations in 6 mounths, hospital did not want to regester me till i arsked if i culd drive tomorrow, gor regested then as sight inpered 9 mounths later gor regested as blind
    took sucal services 1 year to make contact to give me the card by then was regested as blind.
    have also server nurve dammage.
    david
     
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    I know didnt get any help for almost 40 odd years now get help when all the damage has been done,have what they call brittle diabetes, although at one point they woudlnt recognize this, landed in hospital TOOOOO many times to mention, was pulled into hospital numerous amount of times, to get SORTED !!!!!! they got fed up with me after couple of weeks and told it would probably settle down once at home, IT NEVER DID!!!!!! only last couple of years had any help, prior to this went to work with all the Hypos, and Hypers etc, and brought my family up, was field service engineer etc, but have paid a heavy price and have been told by specialists in london wasnt my fault, it is the way my body behaved, sorry about your sight, I had laser treatment when I was 23, and my eyes so far not to bad, but the ant-rejection drugs I now take are having an effect on my kidneys!!!!!! swopped one problem for another, stuck at home, and try keeping myself going with what little intrests can still do!!!!!! gets me down though, and they say, and this has been probably said to you as well " DIABETES SHOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR LIFE " !!!!!!!!!! like !!!!, with me it has been killing me slowly!!!! and that was quoted from one of my specialists, about it kills you slowly, I think Iv had it to long, and still dont know how I have survived, neither do the doctors LOL!!!!!!

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    HI I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SASYING BUT I HEARD/READ IT SOMEWHERE THAT ACCORDING TO THE DWP OWN FIGURES THE PERCENTAGE OF FRAUD IS 0.5% NOT EVEN ONE PERCENT SO WHY ALL OF THE CUFFERALL CAUSING DISTRESS FOR GENUINE DISABLED PERSONS AND THEIR FAMILIES EVEDN HOSPITALISING SOME DUE TO THE STRESS, AND NOT COUNTING THE AMOUNT OF SLEEPNESS NIGHTS AND MISSED MEALS WITH THE WORRY WHEN WILL THE GOVERNMENTS REALISE THAT THIS SORT OF WELL ALL I CAN CALL IT IS WITCH HUNT IS DEPEMENTAL TO FOLKS HEALTH AND THE FRAUDERS CAN BE FOUND IN THE CLUBS AND PUBS YES DO CHECVKS BUT IF A GP SAYS NOT FIT FOR WORK THAT SHOULD BE OPK FOR THE DWPS AS MOST ARE LIKE ME WOULD PAY TO GO BACK TO WORK IF AT ALL POSSIBLE
     
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    Thats not strictly true Peter, I went through the incapacity ATOS re assessment last year and found it one of the most stressful 6 months of my life but fortunately I was placed in the support group and I certainly have every intention of living longer than 6 months thank you :thumbup:

    I do suffer bad pains in my back and right leg (degenerative arthritis) which can make walking difficult and I have also been diagnosed with bronciectasis (lung disease) COPD (Emphysema) and Asthma which again make walking difficult due to breathlessness. But I hope I am a long way from deaths door....

    Anyone having to be reassessed by ATOS has my sympathy but good results are not unheard of and bad/wrong results are often overturned on appeal, around 50 to 60% I understand, and I believe that things are a little better now after many PM's from all sides of the house of commons complained about the assessments on behalf of their constituents, so hopefully the assessments are a little less harsh now. We shall see, I am not looking forward to any future reassessment of my reassessment...
     
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    You are so right :clap:

    I ran my own successful business before my respiratory problems and whilst never a millionaire I was fairly comfortable and managed to pay my way in this world, now I have to rely on £105 per week ESA from the DWP and I get any other benefits what so ever as my wife works full time. So yes I would far rather have my health returned and be able to return to work and pay my way as I have always done since leaving school.

    People who say that those on benefits are all scroungers should try living on £105 a week and see how they make ends meet before shooting their mouths off.
     
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    I agree, who would voluntarily want to live on what they give you, trouble is Gov. has led a propaganda theme against the sick etc making out everyones driving around in BMW, etc and having 4 holidays a year, give me good health , and I would be back at work, and the job would be a vocation for me as it is perm. gardener on grounds, but had to turn it down!!!!!! felt sick, so if someone said although you get looked at, i think I would kill em, with bad feet and hands or not, feel like screaming no Im not a ponce, as regards the gov. figs. your right its about 0.3% that are scamming, but gov. want 28% off the DLA or PIP when it comes in, if they tried to get me off I would say then you had better get the police because your saying Iv beeen defrauding the crown, and you had better investigate my specialists, see what they would do then !!!!!!

    STEVE
     
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