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'Huge Advance' In Fighting World's Biggest Killer - Cholesterol

serenity648 said:
Type 1 diabetics like yourself may have been ok, they can cover their carbs with insulin.

For type 2's its different and the low carbing is one of our few ways to avoid medication and the progression of our diabetes.

Diets are not being thrown under the bus. But you need to recognise the difference in treatment for the two types.
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@serenity648 you do know type1s can also get insulin resistance, don't you?
Also type1s can diet with low carb to lower their insulin need but unlike type2s they have no circulating insulin where their pancreas has overcompensated due to insulin resistance.
 
ickihun said:
@serenity648 you do know type1s can also get insulin resistance, don't you?
Also type1s can diet with low carb to lower their insulin need but unlike type2s they have no circulating insulin where their pancreas has overcompensated due to insulin resistance.
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Yes, I do.

The point I am responding to is the idea that diabetics can have high carb diets and thrive.
 
Does he explain why the French have less heart disease? Perhaps their fat contains more olive oil or even more seriously, we British get washed too much! :) D.
 
zand said:
Yes I will - when I have recovered from reading the first one (My brain is a bit tired now, I don't think I will be able to take it all in).
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I have read them all. He has covered all bases. In his latest offering he reckons we all need vit d, oranges and Viagra! Then we'll live until we die! D.
 
Would be great to die peacefully in sleep but we all die of something!!

Also depends on the media on what the biggest killer is.... alzheimers, cancer etc??

I think we are all guinea pigs at the moment.. nobody has anything quantifiable as a "huge advance".... all meds have some side effects... so may be good for heart but bad for brain, good for cancer but bad for kidneys...

Yes, would be great to find some guaranteed help to eliminate a disease but watch long term for other side effects....
 
endocrinegremlin said:
And yet diabetics who have been on high carb diets for years are living fine lives.


We need to respect everyone's diets. I'd like to know if anyone has links to evidence from posts here? Some interested points made but like I said I'm sick of people's diets being thrown under the bus.
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My sister and grandson are both type1 I'm type 2 my sister has recently undergone two vein graft surgeries on same leg and still not a complete success, so now all she has to look forward to is amputation and not in the distant future . She has been diabetic since aged 10 now 56, my grandson was diagnosed aged 18 now 30 he had bleeds behind the eyes his job is computer animation if he hadn't gotten on top of his diabetes he could be facing blindness.
And I recently lost a friend type2 with amputated toes gangrene set in he died just after Christmas

My own diabetes has only become controlled since finding this site and by testing everything I eat I found after 17 years type2 I cannot tolerate carbs they spike my BG too much.

People on here have all found out there own body cards tolerances by testing BG when they eat and after they eat. Low carbs works for so many diabetics if you don't want to do low carb that's your prerogative but don't knock what others do to manage their diabetes.


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I speak as a diet controlled T2.

It's the combination of fats and carbs that is the problem. LCHF is certainly easier to follow than HCLF and is therefore the one most diet controlled diabetics choose to use. Some do however successfully control their diabetes with a high carb diet. The problem is the 'low fat' bit is very low fat and since we all need some fat in our diets it's difficult to find the correct amount. We don't actually need carbs at all so LCHF is much easier to manage. Almost all meat eaters would have too much fat in their diets to have success with HCLF. It's also worth mentioning that to follow HCLF you need to have healthy natural carbs, not processed junk food.

I did HCLF for a while (having mostly veggies and not much else) and whilst my BGs were as well controlled as under LCHF I developed severe pains in my bones because I didn't have enough fat. For me LCHF wins hands down, but there are some who prefer another way. What matters is that we control our BG levels and more importantly than that we also control our insulin levels as it seems that hyperinsulimia is a bigger problem than High BG levels. The best way to do this is to control insulin release....by err low carbing.
 
endocrinegremlin said:
And yet diabetics who have been on high carb diets for years are living fine lives.


We need to respect everyone's diets. I'd like to know if anyone has links to evidence from posts here? Some interested points made but like I said I'm sick of people's diets being thrown under the bus.
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Yes that's true. If T1s manage to get their insulin ratios correct and their BGs stable then they can happily have high carb diets, especially if those carbs are healthy non processed ones. If it works don't fix it. :)

That's not true of T2s who don't have the option to balance the carbs with insulin. Those T2s who do use insulin may well have insulin resistance and low carbing would be better for them as high insulin levels that can't be used by the body aren't good for anyone.
 
zand said:
I speak as a diet controlled T2.

It's the combination of fats and carbs that is the problem. LCHF is certainly easier to follow than HCLF and is therefore the one most diet controlled diabetics choose to use. Some do however successfully control their diabetes with a high carb diet. The problem is the 'low fat' bit is very low fat and since we all need some fat in our diets it's difficult to find the correct amount. We don't actually need carbs at all so LCHF is much easier to manage. Almost all meat eaters would have too much fat in their diets to have success with HCLF. It's also worth mentioning that to follow HCLF you need to have healthy natural carbs, not processed junk food.

I did HCLF for a while (having mostly veggies and not much else) and whilst my BGs were as well controlled as under LCHF I developed severe pains in my bones because I didn't have enough fat. For me LCHF wins hands down, but there are some who prefer another way. What matters is that we control our BG levels and more importantly than that we also control our insulin levels as it seems that hyperinsulimia is a bigger problem than High BG levels. The best way to do this is to control insulin release....by err low carbing.
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Thank you, not like me to rant but this post was personal especially when I have family with serious type1 diabetic problems.
My grandson is now so controlled every time I take him for his checkup I'm so glad he got some help,again NHS diagnosed type1 with emergency admission to hospital with very high ketones in his bloods he was stabilised hospital stay for a few days given a few leaflets and sent home no help just left to his own devices,same with my sister but that was 46 years ago. My mother was given an orange and some syringes and told to practice injections at home before she was sent home,follow up appointment but no help and advice. It's no wonder so many people are out of control with a multitude of problems years down the line some sooner rather than later!K
 
Granny_grump_ said:
Thank you, not like me to rant but this post was personal especially when I have family with serious type1 diabetic problems.
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I know it's not like you; I knew you must have your reasons. :)
Sadly there will be others out there just like your loved ones too.
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Everytime I go to my hospital worries me... in 30+ years of being a T1 I have never seen so many people in a hospital in wheelchairs/mobility scooters with feet and leg amputations. Only been to this diabetes dept 4 times. My last visit there were 10 patients there. 8 were in wheel chairs / mobility and waiting for transport! Me and one other lady (T1) and she was young with complications.

It broke my heart that out of 10 patients that day I was the only one "healthy".

Very, very sad to see. This is the 4th appt I have had with similar each time. Not the same day or time etc either on these visits...
 
donnellysdogs said:
Would be great to die peacefully in sleep but we all die of something!!

Also depends on the media on what the biggest killer is.... alzheimers, cancer etc??

I think we are all guinea pigs at the moment.. nobody has anything quantifiable as a "huge advance".... all meds have some side effects... so may be good for heart but bad for brain, good for cancer but bad for kidneys...

Yes, would be great to find some guaranteed help to eliminate a disease but watch long term for other side effects....
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I don't want to.
I want to do it doing something I enjoy, (but preferably painlessly still)
Definitely a 'boots on' person.

@Granny_grump As to diet, I certainly control my T2, and I don't low carb, so, no, it's not the only solution.
And even on my high carb diet, it would seem my cholesterol is lower than some on here would like to see.
 
douglas99 said:
I don't want to.
I want to do it doing something I enjoy, (but preferably painlessly still)
Definitely a 'boots on' person.

@Granny_grump As to diet, I certainly control my T2, and I don't low carb, so, no, it's not the only solution.
And even on my high carb diet, it would seem my cholesterol is lower than some on here would like to see.
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How many carbs do you have a day? It would be interesting to know how high some people with T2 can go and still keep control of their blood glucose levels.
 
serenity648 said:
How many carbs do you have a day? It would be interesting to know how high some people with T2 can go and still keep control of their blood glucose levels.
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I don't do carbs at all protein and veg,eggs,
dairy, fats, if I have any carbs they are only in below ground vegetables K
My BG goes through the roof if I eat half of a small roast potatoe or pea and ham soup and other things with carbs in them,so I stopped eating carbs.K
 
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douglas99 said:
I don't want to.
I want to do it doing something I enjoy, (but preferably painlessly still)
Definitely a 'boots on' person.

@Granny_grump As to diet, I certainly control my T2, and I don't low carb, so, no, it's not the only solution.
And even on my high carb diet, it would seem my cholesterol is lower than some on here would like to see.
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But everyone is different if I eat carbs my BG goes through the roof,I know it's not the only solution but when someone states type1 are living a good life on high carbs well tell that to all who are not including my sister and grandson!K
 
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