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Hypoglycaemic fluorescent lighting-induced seizures

Pablocity

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
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Hello all

I became Type I in 1983, started on a rapid-acting insulin, and for the following 20 years or so I had hypoglycaemia-induced seizures on an estimated average of every 18 months or so. Apart from one, which occurred during sleep, the others had two prominent factors in common (which would occur separately or combined): one factor was sunlight on the back of my neck shortly after injecting before a meal, or following a meal in which I had taken too few carbs; the other, which was much more common, was exposure to fluorescent lighting during a hypo (when I’d gone into a corner shop or pharmacy in search of sweet carbs that I should have been carrying in the first place) – I would wake up in an ambulance or in hospital. Please note that these seizures were always experienced during a hypo and almost all were due to exposure to fluorescent lighting during the hypo.

There are additional symptoms. I would typically be outside, BG dropping, hypo coming on, feeling a bit wobbly, light-headed, vision not perfect etc. If I then needed to obtain sweet carbs and went into a shop, those sensations would be massively intensified within a few seconds. If I couldn’t find cola or similar for a quick purchase and exit, I would try to read product nutrition labels and find that I could not focus well enough to make out the words – it would help quite a bit if I put a hand over one eye. The focusing symptom and the sudden, severe intensification of other symptoms only ever occurred in shops with fluorescent lighting and did not occur in daylight. In a corner shop I could usually manage to buy a can of cola and get out before a seizure took hold, but a supermarket or busy Boots was a trickier prospect.

The sun on the neck is something that I learned to deal with quickly. The fluorescent lighting-induced seizures I eventually managed to cut out by changing to a slower-acting insulin in 2002, so that any hypos would occur more gradually.

After the seizures ceased, I did eventually have another one in 2017. I had made a train journey in the morning and tested on arrival late morning – my BG was under 3, although I had not taken an injection and was running on background insulin only. I ate some glucogel and BG came up to 4.5 within a few minutes. I then went into a supermarket to buy some carbs, queued at the checkout 10 mins later and woke up in an ambulance. I remember the seizure starting and it was the same old story: fluorescent lighting. So that seizure occurred when my BG was 4.5 and rising. So I was either extremely sensitive to fluorescent lighting at that point, even though my BG was apparently rising above 4.5 a few minutes earlier, or the lighting lowered my blood sugar and thus induced the seizure. I learned 20 years ago to ask strangers to go into a shop for me, but in 2017 it had been so long since I'd had a seizure that I'd forgotten my own protocol.

Whatever the case, I have enquired with Diabetes UK's doctors, my own diabetes consultant, and epilepsy associations. They all say that they are unaware of any association between fluorescent lighting and hypoglycaemic seizures.

I would like to know if anyone else with diabetes has experienced hypoglycaemic fluorescent lighting-induced seizures. I can’t find any info on this online. The significant factor would not necessarily be whether you have had seizures that seem to be induced by fluorescent lighting, but whether your hypo gets worse when you enter a shop, or are already in a shop, that has fluorescent lighting.

I don't really need to know what the link with fluorescent lighting is; I'm just curious and believe there must be others with similar experience, but I've had no luck so far in tracking them down.

Best to all

Pablocity
 
Hello @Pablocity Sorry i've not come across this before so can't say anything particularly useful, however I cannot tolerate fluorescent lighting as it gives me a head ache, light sensitivity I guess, I guess this is what could be triggering your seizures though as you may well have a really sensitive disposition to them, have you tried wearing sun glasses ? Weirdly though when hypo my eyesight seems to pick up on objects I wouldn't normally see and have been known to start cleaning the house when noticing dirt when hypo before, doesn't help much as I should really be treating the hypo, but hypo brain is not a rational brain !
 
I'm not type 1 but a lot of what you describe as seizures are very very similar to what I have a migraines, or the prodromes that precede them.
Flourescent lighting , or indeed most bright lights, are a migraine trigger for me. Not all migraines have pain.
I suggest you check out Angela Stanton, a US doctor who has done much research on foods and triggers, and I could see a link between hypo and a problem of disturbances.
I was told about her by @Goonergal who has found things much improved since changing her diet
There's lots to read and research, I hope it helps you
 
Hello @Pablocity Sorry i've not come across this before so can't say anything particularly useful, however I cannot tolerate fluorescent lighting as it gives me a head ache, light sensitivity I guess, I guess this is what could be triggering your seizures though as you may well have a really sensitive disposition to them, have you tried wearing sun glasses ? Weirdly though when hypo my eyesight seems to pick up on objects I wouldn't normally see and have been known to start cleaning the house when noticing dirt when hypo before, doesn't help much as I should really be treating the hypo, but hypo brain is not a rational brain !
Hi @Juicyj, I can't recall if I've ever worn sunglasses while experiencing problems with hypo + fluorescent lighting, and it happens rarely these days, but I will make a note. And at least your house is clean!
 
Hello all

I became Type I in 1983, started on a rapid-acting insulin, and for the following 20 years or so I had hypoglycaemia-induced seizures on an estimated average of every 18 months or so. Apart from one, which occurred during sleep, the others had two prominent factors in common (which would occur separately or combined): one factor was sunlight on the back of my neck shortly after injecting before a meal, or following a meal in which I had taken too few carbs; the other, which was much more common, was exposure to fluorescent lighting during a hypo (when I’d gone into a corner shop or pharmacy in search of sweet carbs that I should have been carrying in the first place) – I would wake up in an ambulance or in hospital. Please note that these seizures were always experienced during a hypo and almost all were due to exposure to fluorescent lighting during the hypo.

There are additional symptoms. I would typically be outside, BG dropping, hypo coming on, feeling a bit wobbly, light-headed, vision not perfect etc. If I then needed to obtain sweet carbs and went into a shop, those sensations would be massively intensified within a few seconds. If I couldn’t find cola or similar for a quick purchase and exit, I would try to read product nutrition labels and find that I could not focus well enough to make out the words – it would help quite a bit if I put a hand over one eye. The focusing symptom and the sudden, severe intensification of other symptoms only ever occurred in shops with fluorescent lighting and did not occur in daylight. In a corner shop I could usually manage to buy a can of cola and get out before a seizure took hold, but a supermarket or busy Boots was a trickier prospect.

The sun on the neck is something that I learned to deal with quickly. The fluorescent lighting-induced seizures I eventually managed to cut out by changing to a slower-acting insulin in 2002, so that any hypos would occur more gradually.

After the seizures ceased, I did eventually have another one in 2017. I had made a train journey in the morning and tested on arrival late morning – my BG was under 3, although I had not taken an injection and was running on background insulin only. I ate some glucogel and BG came up to 4.5 within a few minutes. I then went into a supermarket to buy some carbs, queued at the checkout 10 mins later and woke up in an ambulance. I remember the seizure starting and it was the same old story: fluorescent lighting. So that seizure occurred when my BG was 4.5 and rising. So I was either extremely sensitive to fluorescent lighting at that point, even though my BG was apparently rising above 4.5 a few minutes earlier, or the lighting lowered my blood sugar and thus induced the seizure. I learned 20 years ago to ask strangers to go into a shop for me, but in 2017 it had been so long since I'd had a seizure that I'd forgotten my own protocol.

Whatever the case, I have enquired with Diabetes UK's doctors, my own diabetes consultant, and epilepsy associations. They all say that they are unaware of any association between fluorescent lighting and hypoglycaemic seizures.

I would like to know if anyone else with diabetes has experienced hypoglycaemic fluorescent lighting-induced seizures. I can’t find any info on this online. The significant factor would not necessarily be whether you have had seizures that seem to be induced by fluorescent lighting, but whether your hypo gets worse when you enter a shop, or are already in a shop, that has fluorescent lighting.

I don't really need to know what the link with fluorescent lighting is; I'm just curious and believe there must be others with similar experience, but I've had no luck so far in tracking them down.

Best to all

Pablocity
Hi Pablocity, yes, I have experienced similar effects of hypos whilst shopping in a large Tesco store under fluorescent lighting. The situation was then made worse by the fact that when I fell to the floor during the hypo I got concussed hitting my head on the tiled floor in the supermarket! Not an ideal situation. Whenever I now shop in big stores I check my blood sugar level 1st of all before starting to make sure I can complete the shopping without having a hypo.
 
Hello all

I became Type I in 1983, started on a rapid-acting insulin, and for the following 20 years or so I had hypoglycaemia-induced seizures on an estimated average of every 18 months or so. Apart from one, which occurred during sleep, the others had two prominent factors in common (which would occur separately or combined): one factor was sunlight on the back of my neck shortly after injecting before a meal, or following a meal in which I had taken too few carbs; the other, which was much more common, was exposure to fluorescent lighting during a hypo (when I’d gone into a corner shop or pharmacy in search of sweet carbs that I should have been carrying in the first place) – I would wake up in an ambulance or in hospital. Please note that these seizures were always experienced during a hypo and almost all were due to exposure to fluorescent lighting during the hypo.

There are additional symptoms. I would typically be outside, BG dropping, hypo coming on, feeling a bit wobbly, light-headed, vision not perfect etc. If I then needed to obtain sweet carbs and went into a shop, those sensations would be massively intensified within a few seconds. If I couldn’t find cola or similar for a quick purchase and exit, I would try to read product nutrition labels and find that I could not focus well enough to make out the words – it would help quite a bit if I put a hand over one eye. The focusing symptom and the sudden, severe intensification of other symptoms only ever occurred in shops with fluorescent lighting and did not occur in daylight. In a corner shop I could usually manage to buy a can of cola and get out before a seizure took hold, but a supermarket or busy Boots was a trickier prospect.

The sun on the neck is something that I learned to deal with quickly. The fluorescent lighting-induced seizures I eventually managed to cut out by changing to a slower-acting insulin in 2002, so that any hypos would occur more gradually.

After the seizures ceased, I did eventually have another one in 2017. I had made a train journey in the morning and tested on arrival late morning – my BG was under 3, although I had not taken an injection and was running on background insulin only. I ate some glucogel and BG came up to 4.5 within a few minutes. I then went into a supermarket to buy some carbs, queued at the checkout 10 mins later and woke up in an ambulance. I remember the seizure starting and it was the same old story: fluorescent lighting. So that seizure occurred when my BG was 4.5 and rising. So I was either extremely sensitive to fluorescent lighting at that point, even though my BG was apparently rising above 4.5 a few minutes earlier, or the lighting lowered my blood sugar and thus induced the seizure. I learned 20 years ago to ask strangers to go into a shop for me, but in 2017 it had been so long since I'd had a seizure that I'd forgotten my own protocol.

Whatever the case, I have enquired with Diabetes UK's doctors, my own diabetes consultant, and epilepsy associations. They all say that they are unaware of any association between fluorescent lighting and hypoglycaemic seizures.

I would like to know if anyone else with diabetes has experienced hypoglycaemic fluorescent lighting-induced seizures. I can’t find any info on this online. The significant factor would not necessarily be whether you have had seizures that seem to be induced by fluorescent lighting, but whether your hypo gets worse when you enter a shop, or are already in a shop, that has fluorescent lighting.

I don't really need to know what the link with fluorescent lighting is; I'm just curious and believe there must be others with similar experience, but I've had no luck so far in tracking them down.

Best to all

Pablocity
Iv had fluorescent lighting effect my hypos in past when I have mentioned it to professionals it been brushed aside,I don't feel so bad now others have same effect
 
Hi Pablocity, yes, I have experienced similar effects of hypos whilst shopping in a large Tesco store under fluorescent lighting. The situation was then made worse by the fact that when I fell to the floor during the hypo I got concussed hitting my head on the tiled floor in the supermarket! Not an ideal situation. Whenever I now shop in big stores I check my blood sugar level 1st of all before starting to make sure I can complete the shopping without having a hypo.
Hi Doug101, sorry to hear that you have the same problems with fluorescent lighting, but you seem to have a handle on it, which is good. I also test before going into a supermarket but can still get caught out on occasion. At the slightest hint of a hypo symptom (it would usually be the beginning of a reaction to the light, such as tingling at the back of my neck), I park my trolley at customer service and get outside asap. I think I've been lucky in avoiding hitting my head hard after keeling over dozens of times in the 80s and 90s.

All the best

Pablocity
 
Iv had fluorescent lighting effect my hypos in past when I have mentioned it to professionals it been brushed aside,I don't feel so bad now others have same effect
Hi pjwe1275, sorry to hear that, but I feel the same as you, that it's good to know that you're not the only one. In a way, medical professionals can't really be blamed for brushing it aside because it is not something that any of them could be expected to know about (you'll see in my first post that I've made some enquiries to diabetic and epilepsy associations).

May I ask, how did you find the lighting affected the hypos, and did any of them ever get as far as a seizure?

Cheers

Pablocity
 
Hello all

I became Type I in 1983, started on a rapid-acting insulin, and for the following 20 years or so I had hypoglycaemia-induced seizures on an estimated average of every 18 months or so. Apart from one, which occurred during sleep, the others had two prominent factors in common (which would occur separately or combined): one factor was sunlight on the back of my neck shortly after injecting before a meal, or following a meal in which I had taken too few carbs; the other, which was much more common, was exposure to fluorescent lighting during a hypo (when I’d gone into a corner shop or pharmacy in search of sweet carbs that I should have been carrying in the first place) – I would wake up in an ambulance or in hospital. Please note that these seizures were always experienced during a hypo and almost all were due to exposure to fluorescent lighting during the hypo.

There are additional symptoms. I would typically be outside, BG dropping, hypo coming on, feeling a bit wobbly, light-headed, vision not perfect etc. If I then needed to obtain sweet carbs and went into a shop, those sensations would be massively intensified within a few seconds. If I couldn’t find cola or similar for a quick purchase and exit, I would try to read product nutrition labels and find that I could not focus well enough to make out the words – it would help quite a bit if I put a hand over one eye. The focusing symptom and the sudden, severe intensification of other symptoms only ever occurred in shops with fluorescent lighting and did not occur in daylight. In a corner shop I could usually manage to buy a can of cola and get out before a seizure took hold, but a supermarket or busy Boots was a trickier prospect.

The sun on the neck is something that I learned to deal with quickly. The fluorescent lighting-induced seizures I eventually managed to cut out by changing to a slower-acting insulin in 2002, so that any hypos would occur more gradually.

After the seizures ceased, I did eventually have another one in 2017. I had made a train journey in the morning and tested on arrival late morning – my BG was under 3, although I had not taken an injection and was running on background insulin only. I ate some glucogel and BG came up to 4.5 within a few minutes. I then went into a supermarket to buy some carbs, queued at the checkout 10 mins later and woke up in an ambulance. I remember the seizure starting and it was the same old story: fluorescent lighting. So that seizure occurred when my BG was 4.5 and rising. So I was either extremely sensitive to fluorescent lighting at that point, even though my BG was apparently rising above 4.5 a few minutes earlier, or the lighting lowered my blood sugar and thus induced the seizure. I learned 20 years ago to ask strangers to go into a shop for me, but in 2017 it had been so long since I'd had a seizure that I'd forgotten my own protocol.

Whatever the case, I have enquired with Diabetes UK's doctors, my own diabetes consultant, and epilepsy associations. They all say that they are unaware of any association between fluorescent lighting and hypoglycaemic seizures.

I would like to know if anyone else with diabetes has experienced hypoglycaemic fluorescent lighting-induced seizures. I can’t find any info on this online. The significant factor would not necessarily be whether you have had seizures that seem to be induced by fluorescent lighting, but whether your hypo gets worse when you enter a shop, or are already in a shop, that has fluorescent lighting.

I don't really need to know what the link with fluorescent lighting is; I'm just curious and believe there must be others with similar experience, but I've had no luck so far in tracking them down.

Best to all

Pablocity

Hi @Pablocity ,

Welcome to the forum.

What basal (long acting) insulin are you using.?

A few thoughts from my own experience with using Lantus. The hypos for me can be “slow creepers.”
Though, I’ve never lost consciousness from a low. Despite wearing a sensor these days am still fully hypo aware..

Strip lighting. Can flicker. I’m not a fan of entering shops with strip lighting & mirrors on the supporting columns?
My eyes can flicker in the lower field during a low. Bright sunlight dancing on open water is another that can delay the recognition of the first sign I maybe going low, for me..
One memory in my youth was getting dragged round Boots in my home city with just the above mirror & strip light set up.
Ironically I’ve worked in establishments with similar lighting. At the end of the bulb’s life the end turns black & it randomly “strobes.”
Strip light “starters” can also break continuity, if a “duff.?” Causing them to flash. (As well as click.)
Lol, mor irony. I worked as part of a crew whose duty was maintenace replacing them??

Baring in mind from your accounts of needing to source by purchasing a hypo fix. It could be that the low progressed quicker than expected due to the outside influences for you lulling into a false sense of security? “Of its just the lights.” Especially the extra precious (what’s left of.) BG energy expenditure attempting the quest.
Less so, just reaching into a pocket for the treatment.
 
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