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I am an ex-diabetic type 2 and happy.

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My first language is Dutch, but I have spoken English for most of my life . I have difficulties though when I'm trying to follow a thread of thought but I'm tired, the family are making enough noise for thrash metal loving trolls and the Android gremlins is playing up o_O

Hell, I barely understand myself sometimes! :D

Signy
 
Heathenlass said:
" In English ?"

Not my first language :) but here goes :

" S**t happens. Grab a shovel and just do your best " :D

Signy
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“The cure is within yourself” is a common remark of New Age Gurus but.. IMO it is “a bunch of rubbish”. That is NOT what I’m saying. It is true that we perceive the mind as “within” so in that sense you can say that if you look within and discover the problematic ideas then you are on your way to resolving the disease. But there is a big difference between looking within at ideas in mind and “the cure is within yourself”! The mind is a common platform.


The general message that you observe of “blame for the person with a condition for allowing emotional problems to cause their physical problems and not being strong enough or spiritual enough to "heal" themselves” (my emphases) is IMO baloney.


Also the idea that “either by "forgiving" themselves or others, who are the causes of their emotional and subsequent physical ills” that they supposedly get well, ALSO, IMO is garbage. There are plenty of occasions where forgiveness of other who are offending against you is the worst thing you can do. Forgiveness is not a bandage or a panacea. There are times where it is very good but there are also times where it is useless and even puts the person at greater risk of harm by the offenders.

Because one person has found a way of being cured does not make others failures.

The type of person, who blames another person, either for having a disease or not being able to get well, is almost always an inhumane, toxic person (IMO human but rubbish).

The person who has made a discovery that has helped them to health, has an obligation to tell others, to assist other in their journey to health, if those others desire their help and their problem is similar enough. It is highly unethical for me to know how to get well in cases like mine and not share what I know with other. To see others suffer and not share what I have discovered? It is unthinkable. To have empathy and to reach out to others is what it means to be humane and decent.

There is no “strong link between emotional issues and a dis- ease” or disease. Emotions ARE reactivity in the body, but emotions alone are not enough to cause problems unless they are long standing and /or conflicting, which is not normal. For instance anxiety, which is the mix of either ANGER and WORRY or FEAR and WORRY, can become a health hazard if it goes on for a long time. Both anger and fear raise the metabolism. Worry lowers the metabolism. So you end up with vital organs such as the heart trying to go fast and slow at the same time. There is a very simple case. There is lot more to most diseases than mere emotional issues, at least from my experience.

“Emotional issues don’t manifest physically”, it is the emotions that are physical reactivity in the body. The issues are outside and the ideas that point to those issues are mental. For example danger can become an “emotional issue”, depending on the circumstances, but it does not “manifest physically” in the body.

For the above reason “remission of those disorders by healing emotional issues” is obviously not true. You can’t heal emotional issues. You can resolve them so the emotional reactivity is resolved. But diseases and disorder are a lot more than that.

This “some conditions have an emotional basis” is also not true. No condition has an emotional basis. Medical conditions in the body can arise owing to what we could call “emotional bleeding”. Dr. Keith Scott-Mumby, who is a medical, but alternative, diet etc doctor, acknowledges that if you don’t help the patient overcome recurrent emotions, you cannot help them on their journey to health, but the disease is more than the emotional reactivity. It is not that if you resolve the emotions you got instant results. Rather the emotions can be an important part of the medical picture.

This remark “past life issues impacting on this incarnation as an explanation” is also IMO false. There are no past issues that can impact on health in this incarnation. I see this as part of a more general misconception about karma. The idea of what you do in one life, you will be punished or rewarded in the next is bogus. This is not what karma is about.

I have yet to find a new age author that I agree with. Not even the well educated ones, people like Bruce Lipton, for instance. He is a New Ager, a Harvard University guy if I remember correctly.. “the best doctors money can buy” variety.. but I think his message about disease is not valid. He was one of the early pioneers in epigenetics and did some extremely good work in that field, both in the lab and bringing the message to other scientists and doctors and he is admirable for that, but then he started to marry up epigenetics with quantum physics like ideas and in IMO he went of the rails. I can’t see how you can use his methods to get well.

Lastly, and very importantly, if you think “sometimes it is just s**t happens” then you don't see the big picture. That is what you need to remedy and no shovels goona help!

Ultimately it is the set of the sail and not of the gale, that determines the way the ship will go. BUT if you are NOT the captain of your ship, then your ship doesn’t go where you want to go.

Sh*t NEVER “just happens”.

Kyrani
 
With all due respect, you have misquoted me, and also responded out of context to what I wrote :)

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, but oddly as I read your last post, you seem to be agreeing with some of what I wrote ;)

"S**t happens* is an attitude of mind that I find useful occasionally, I've long since realised that sometimes there isn't an explanation for everything, and I prefer to use my energies elsewhere and move on :)

Signy
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Heathenlass said:
With all due respect, you have misquoted me, and also responded out of context to what I wrote :)

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, but oddly as I read your last post, you seem to be agreeing with some of what I wrote ;)

"S**t happens* is an attitude of mind that I find useful occasionally, I've long since realised that sometimes there isn't an explanation for everything, and I prefer to use my energies elsewhere and move on :)

Signy
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Yes, I agreed with what you wrote. I just wanted to make it clear that I am not a New Ager, that's all.
As for the phrase "Sh*t happens", fair enough with what you say. The phrase is obviously used differently in Australia.
Kyrani
 
Heathenlass said:
With all due respect, you have misquoted me, and also responded out of context to what I wrote :)

You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, but oddly as I read your last post, you seem to be agreeing with some of what I wrote ;)

"S**t happens* is an attitude of mind that I find useful occasionally, I've long since realised that sometimes there isn't an explanation for everything, and I prefer to use my energies elsewhere and move on :)

Signy
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..Sorry Kyrani, I don't understand how you can say '**** NEVER just happens' as if its a fact.......I agree with Heathenlass.....thinking '**** happens' [for most of us over here], is just a way of coping/accepting/thinking 'oh well' and moving forwards without dwelling too much/analysing things which actually have happened.....I respect your point of view and we all think the way we choose to...:cool:
 
ok i can accept that sh*t happens, but enough already, ill end up wearing inco pants lol
 
kyrani99 said:
Yes, I agreed with what you wrote. I just wanted to make it clear that I am not a New Ager, that's all.
As for the phrase "Sh*t happens", fair enough with what you say. The phrase is obviously used differently in Australia.
Kyrani
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Well I think you are just ******

personal attack on another member's state of mind
 
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this is too difficult said:
How many have you been banned from? I have never been banned from a website. Although I may have been lucky a few times.
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I have been banned from two websites Women's Health and Richard Dawkins.
You want to find fault with me and not with the website people who ban me. On that score Martin Luther King (who was shot), Nelson Mandela (who was jailed 26 years) and Ghandhi (shot) and many others, were at fault because there were people who didnn't like them standing for Justice? I;ll bet they would have been banned from some websites too!
 
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Well I think you are just ******

personal attack on another member's state of mind
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Personal attack???? Please explain.
I said I agreed with you on the stuff you wrote about New Age Ideas
and I could see how you were using the phrase when you last expained it. I had understood it different.
How is all that a personal attack?
 
Yes, I agreed with what you wrote. I just wanted to make it clear that I am not a New Ager, that's all.
As for the phrase "Sh*t happens", fair enough with what you say. The phrase is obviously used differently in Australia.
Kyrani
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Hi Kyrani, OK, I get that...it's miscommunication due to language uses and differences :)

As for your last two posts, read through the thread again as it appears you are replying to me in those and it may clear up the confusion.

Signy
 
...like I said, cope/accept and move on.....no-one will know LLOOLLL....;)
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And furthermore....you won't care :D

Signy

p.s Padded lycra pants are a good disguise too ;)
 
kyrani99 said:
“The cure is within yourself” is a common remark of New Age Gurus but.. IMO it is “a bunch of rubbish”. That is NOT what I’m saying. It is true that we perceive the mind as “within” so in that sense you can say that if you look within and discover the problematic ideas then you are on your way to resolving the disease. But there is a big difference between looking within at ideas in mind and “the cure is within yourself”! The mind is a common platform.


The general message that you observe of “blame for the person with a condition for allowing emotional problems to cause their physical problems and not being strong enough or spiritual enough to "heal" themselves” (my emphases) is IMO baloney.


Also the idea that “either by "forgiving" themselves or others, who are the causes of their emotional and subsequent physical ills” that they supposedly get well, ALSO, IMO is garbage. There are plenty of occasions where forgiveness of other who are offending against you is the worst thing you can do. Forgiveness is not a bandage or a panacea. There are times where it is very good but there are also times where it is useless and even puts the person at greater risk of harm by the offenders.

Because one person has found a way of being cured does not make others failures.

The type of person, who blames another person, either for having a disease or not being able to get well, is almost always an inhumane, toxic person (IMO human but rubbish).

The person who has made a discovery that has helped them to health, has an obligation to tell others, to assist other in their journey to health, if those others desire their help and their problem is similar enough. It is highly unethical for me to know how to get well in cases like mine and not share what I know with other. To see others suffer and not share what I have discovered? It is unthinkable. To have empathy and to reach out to others is what it means to be humane and decent.

There is no “strong link between emotional issues and a dis- ease” or disease. Emotions ARE reactivity in the body, but emotions alone are not enough to cause problems unless they are long standing and /or conflicting, which is not normal. For instance anxiety, which is the mix of either ANGER and WORRY or FEAR and WORRY, can become a health hazard if it goes on for a long time. Both anger and fear raise the metabolism. Worry lowers the metabolism. So you end up with vital organs such as the heart trying to go fast and slow at the same time. There is a very simple case. There is lot more to most diseases than mere emotional issues, at least from my experience.

“Emotional issues don’t manifest physically”, it is the emotions that are physical reactivity in the body. The issues are outside and the ideas that point to those issues are mental. For example danger can become an “emotional issue”, depending on the circumstances, but it does not “manifest physically” in the body.

For the above reason “remission of those disorders by healing emotional issues” is obviously not true. You can’t heal emotional issues. You can resolve them so the emotional reactivity is resolved. But diseases and disorder are a lot more than that.

This “some conditions have an emotional basis” is also not true. No condition has an emotional basis. Medical conditions in the body can arise owing to what we could call “emotional bleeding”. Dr. Keith Scott-Mumby, who is a medical, but alternative, diet etc doctor, acknowledges that if you don’t help the patient overcome recurrent emotions, you cannot help them on their journey to health, but the disease is more than the emotional reactivity. It is not that if you resolve the emotions you got instant results. Rather the emotions can be an important part of the medical picture.

This remark “past life issues impacting on this incarnation as an explanation” is also IMO false. There are no past issues that can impact on health in this incarnation. I see this as part of a more general misconception about karma. The idea of what you do in one life, you will be punished or rewarded in the next is bogus. This is not what karma is about.

I have yet to find a new age author that I agree with. Not even the well educated ones, people like Bruce Lipton, for instance. He is a New Ager, a Harvard University guy if I remember correctly.. “the best doctors money can buy” variety.. but I think his message about disease is not valid. He was one of the early pioneers in epigenetics and did some extremely good work in that field, both in the lab and bringing the message to other scientists and doctors and he is admirable for that, but then he started to marry up epigenetics with quantum physics like ideas and in IMO he went of the rails. I can’t see how you can use his methods to get well.

Lastly, and very importantly, if you think “sometimes it is just s**t happens” then you don't see the big picture. That is what you need to remedy and no shovels goona help!

Ultimately it is the set of the sail and not of the gale, that determines the way the ship will go. BUT if you are NOT the captain of your ship, then your ship doesn’t go where you want to go.

Sh*t NEVER “just happens”.

Kyrani
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I knew someone who had so many emotional issues that they developed a dissociative state. She developed non epileptic seizures that mimicked full blown seizures except she didn't lose consciousness, bite her tongue or urinate during the 'fit'. This was a very physical manifestation that she had no control over. She was told that it was her 'unresolved issues' causing the problem...and it turned out to be totally true. Once her issues had been addressed and after a very long course of therapy (lasting two years), she never had another non epileptic seizure. How does this fit in with what you are saying? :)
 
OK what happened to being open minded. You don't have to agree with what is being said by @kirani99 you don't even have to look at the websites if you don't want to, that is your choice. But there are people that believe for one reason or another that living a (Holistic life) balancing body,mind and spirit , that the body can self heal. It is just an idea you may be interested in. I thought we were here to share self help ideas. I have only been in this forum a short time but have seen people get hounded out.
 
Opalshards said:
OK what happened to being open minded. You don't have to agree with what is being said by @kirani99 you don't even have to look at the websites if you don't want to, that is your choice. But there are people that believe for one reason or another that living a (Holistic life) balancing body,mind and spirit , that the body can self heal. It is just an idea you may be interested in. I thought we were here to share self help ideas. I have only been in this forum a short time but have seen people get hounded out.
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I am a firm believer of the mind and body working closely together. I am a trained anxiety management therapist and many of the people I have talked to who have chronic stress/anxiety problems, have also developed various diseases and conditions. I have lost count of how many people have said to me that they blame all the worry they have had for their physical state.

Conditions like fibromyalgia, acid reflux and IBS are often connected to long standing anxiety problems. It is chicken and egg and the jury is still out, but many sufferers of these conditions lead very stressful lives or have long standing emotional issues.
 
.......Your post surprised me SJC as I was diagnosed with depression and chronic anxiety in my early twenties, lots of stuff going on at the time, after medication and a few months of counselling I was fine......at more or less the same time I was also diagnosed with IBS [they called it spastic colon at that time, think I prefer IBS!] ...... had never thought of them being connected before but maybe they were...
 
Pollylocks said:
.......Your post surprised me SJC as I was diagnosed with depression and chronic anxiety in my early twenties, lots of stuff going on at the time, after medication and a few months of counselling I was fine......at more or less the same time I was also diagnosed with IBS [they called it spastic colon at that time, think I prefer IBS!] ...... had never thought of them being connected before but maybe they were...
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People who go through high levels of anxiety and especially if these levels are longstanding, mess up their physical equilibrium...and before anyone says something, I don't mean they do it on purpose obviously. Heightened levels of emotions that go on and on cause physical disturbance. My mum only ever got an eczema flare ups when she had been stressed out for a while. She knew when she would get eczema. It is also thought that allergies and stress can be closely linked.

To me it's all about harmony and I am all for an holistic approach for any physical or mental illness.
 
SJC said:
I knew someone who had so many emotional issues that they developed a dissociative state. She developed non epileptic seizures that mimicked full blown seizures except she didn't lose consciousness, bite her tongue or urinate during the 'fit'. This was a very physical manifestation that she had no control over. She was told that it was her 'unresolved issues' causing the problem...and it turned out to be totally true. Once her issues had been addressed and after a very long course of therapy (lasting two years), she never had another non epileptic seizure. How does this fit in with what you are saying? :)
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Where's the contradiction?
I was saying that ideas point to issues, those ideas may (if they are taken as true), cause the person to react and that reaction is somatic. I gave the simple case of anxiety because it is a simple example of conflicting emotions causing problems, especially for the heart. But I wanted to stress that it is not always a simple matter. Emotional reactivity is only one sort.

For example if the person perceives danger and it is not evident that the danger is external AND at the same time there are ideas of some internal problem, the person's immune system might be stimulated to react unnecessarily and do damage to cells.

In the case you bring here about the medical problem of this patient, there would have been ideas that she may have treated as treal BUT there could have been some other conflict due to her bodies reaction to a number of ideas. It is hard to say anything much if one doesn't know the person's problems.

What I was trying to do in that post was to point out that
1. I am NOT a New Ager, and
2. That I see problems with the simplistic views that New Age ideas convey.

Doctors talk about stress and stress hormones but they don't
go on and explain the reactivity in the body in any detail at all. They only talk about diet and exercise, which are important but stress IMO is even more important.
Kyrani



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