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rose25

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Location
Buckinghamshire
Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
I'm new to this testing lark and am only doing it as I have been told I am pre-diabetic and I want to try to get down to non-diabetic again if I can, but am struggling with what to do to help myself as I already eat a healthy diet to lose weight and am finding that tough these days too (to shift the lbs that is).

My BG this morning was 6.9 before eating/drinking, although I did have some plain boiled water about half hour before doing test. I believe that is a tad higher than the recommended levels. I don't check regularly as I am just monitoring occasionally, maybe once a week.

My Dad and my Aunt (mother's side) were both type 2, although neither are with us now. My Dad was on meds but my Aunt controlled hers with diet, my brother also has type 2. I realise this puts me at greater risk, but I have got to 70 and have just recently gone into pre-diabetic range. My bro didn't help himself in the early days unfortunately and now there is no turning back for him, even though he has since given up drinking and smoking, but he seems to manage it pretty well these days. I am hoping to reverse mine with diet if at all possible.

Any guidance would be welcome. Thank you.
 
as I already eat a healthy diet to lose weight and am finding that tough these days too (to shift the lbs that is).

Perhaps if you could give a few details of your healthy diet other forum members might be able to give you pointers. There doesn't seem to be a clear definition of "healthy diet" except for the Healthy Eating Plate and that is not very healthy.
 
Thank you for replying. Here is an example below of a day, not necessarily typical as I had treats, but a day I know could be improved on!! Staying within calorie allowance has been my main focus until now, but I am aware I need to look at other things from now on and I'm not sure what I need to change. Dieting to lose weight is one thing, controlling carbohydrates/sugar is something else altogether for me. Nowhere seems to show how much carb we should consume in a day to control sugar intake.

Breakfast Calories Carbs Protein Fiber Fat Chol
Dorset Cereals - Simply Fruit Muesli, 35 gram 108 25 3 3 1 0
Sainsburys Basics - Unsweetened Soya Milk, 100 ml 30 1 3 1 2 0
Alpine Fresh - Blueberries, 50 gram 28 7 1 1 0 0
Tesco Decafe - Tea With 20ml Skimmed Milk, 1 Mug 10 1 1 0 0 0
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176 34 8 5 3 0
Snack 1
Burton's Biscuit Co - Jammie Wagon Wheel, 1 Wheel 164 25 2 1 5 0
Tesco Decafe - Tea With 20ml Skimmed Milk, 1 Mug 10 1 1 0 0 0
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174 26 3 1 5 0
Lunch
Hovis - Wholemeal Bread Medium - Slice, 2 slice 800g Loaf 176 30 8 5 1 0
Pure - Dairy Free Olive Spread, 10 g 53 0 0 0 6 0
Cheese - Cheddar, 45 g(s) 181 1 11 0 15 47
Tesco - Sliced Pickled Beetroot, 50 g 14 2 1 1 0 0
Tesco Decafe - Tea With 20ml Skimmed Milk, 1 Mug 10 1 1 0 0 0
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434 34 21 6 22 47
Snack 2
Apricot - Apricot, 1 whole fruit small 40 8 1 2 0 0
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40 8 1 2 0 0
Dinner
Sainsbury's - Salmon Fish Cake With Ginger and Chilli, 1/2 pack 332 27 17 3 17 0
potatoes - New Boiled, 150 g 113 26 3 0 0 0
Cauliflower - Cauliflower--steamed/boiled, 3 oz 18 4 2 2 0 0
Fresh & Easy - Brocolli Florets, 85 gram 25 4 3 2 0 0
Pure - Dairy Free Olive Spread, 10 g 53 0 0 0 6 0
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541 61 25 7 23 0
Anytime
Water - Municipal, 2 cup (8 fl oz) 0 0 0 0 0 0
Robinsons - No Added Sugar Lemon Squash, 15 ml 2 0 0 0 0 0
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2 0 0 0 0 0

Totals 1,367 163 58 21 53 47
Your Daily Goal 1,500 188 75 25 50 300
Remaining 133 25 17 4 -3 253

I use My Fitness Pal to log my food diary and this is where it is taken from.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
 
That is a lot of carb
I would not eat that much in a week
I am afraid you would need to make changes
What was your a1c like?
What was you bg like on testing.
Breakfast for me is cooked breakfast like eggs bacon sausages
Snacks can be nuts like peanuts or almonds in moderation.
I also have celery sticks.
Lunch is usually meat of some sort (Love it)
Dinner is salads and soup with some meat again if very hungry.
Point is to reduce carbs in everything you eat
You would have to get rid of potatoes unfortunately.
Or at the least reduce them to minimum.
I suggest you eat and test before meal 1 hour after and 2 hours after the meals
That will tell you what all agrees with your bg and what not.
 
About 2 weeks ago when visiting my surgery I was told that I was just inside the pre-diabetic range at 43. Apparently I had been 42 at my previous blood test although was not advised, but since then I have had pneumonia and they felt that it might have had an impact on that measurement. However, with diabetes in family I need to make some changes anyway.

So latest tests were May 2015 a1c 43; today pre-breakfast 6.9mmol. My little monitor does not measure a1c. I believe that is only measured by a full blood test. Enlighten me please if I am wrong.

Thanks for your tips - I will revise my diet. I have to be careful with some foods ie nuts as I take warfarin and the INR can change if certain foods are included or excluded from my normal diet, so it will be trial and error there too. I am beginning to think can anything else be thrown at me :(
 
@rose25

Hello Rose and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and it will give you advice on diet and carbs. Carry on asking questions and you will get more answers.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
163 g carbs a day! My BG levels would be through the roof with that!

To get back to non-diabetic levels you really should consider dropping a lot of those carbs.
 
I'm new to this testing lark and am only doing it as I have been told I am pre-diabetic and I want to try to get down to non-diabetic again if I can, but am struggling with what to do to help myself as I already eat a healthy diet to lose weight and am finding that tough these days too (to shift the lbs that is).

My BG this morning was 6.9 before eating/drinking, although I did have some plain boiled water about half hour before doing test. I believe that is a tad higher than the recommended levels. I don't check regularly as I am just monitoring occasionally, maybe once a week.

My Dad and my Aunt (mother's side) were both type 2, although neither are with us now. My Dad was on meds but my Aunt controlled hers with diet, my brother also has type 2. I realise this puts me at greater risk, but I have got to 70 and have just recently gone into pre-diabetic range. My bro didn't help himself in the early days unfortunately and now there is no turning back for him, even though he has since given up drinking and smoking, but he seems to manage it pretty well these days. I am hoping to reverse mine with diet if at all possible.

Any guidance would be welcome. Thank you.



Hello welcome to the forum
 
Hi well yes has pointed out , you need to lose some of those carbs.

I have been doing the Newcastle diet and now slowly introducing meats , fish etc
 
One of the big disappointments is that many of us can't eat bread. You may possibly be able to eat some because your numbers are not very high.

Oddly the advice I got from my DN was to eat wholemeal bread for preference. Others have argued that they meant to say wholegrain bread. This is all good advice to keep me regular but absolutely useless advice where diabetes is concerned because no matter what colour it is it will raise your blood sugars.
 
One of the big disappointments is that many of us can't eat bread. You may possibly be able to eat some because your numbers are not very high.

Oddly the advice I got from my DN was to eat wholemeal bread for preference. Others have argued that they meant to say wholegrain bread. This is all good advice to keep me regular but absolutely useless advice where diabetes is concerned because no matter what colour it is it will raise your blood sugars.
Your quite right but I'm luck I have 3 slices of WHOLEGRAIN BREAD a day and my BG hardy moves so as said many times in the past everyone is different
 
Your quite right but I'm luck I have 3 slices of WHOLEGRAIN BREAD a day and my BG hardy moves so as said many times in the past everyone is different
different indeed, my bg would sky rocket on three slices of any kind of bread. On the other hand this doesn't seem so unusual, given I'm diabetic and bread is mostly starch. Oh, and prefer to keep bg normal at all times, if possible.
 
I'm new to this testing lark and am only doing it as I have been told I am pre-diabetic and I want to try to get down to non-diabetic again if I can, but am struggling with what to do to help myself as I already eat a healthy diet to lose weight and am finding that tough these days too (to shift the lbs that is).

My BG this morning was 6.9 before eating/drinking, although I did have some plain boiled water about half hour before doing test. I believe that is a tad higher than the recommended levels. I don't check regularly as I am just monitoring occasionally, maybe once a week.

My Dad and my Aunt (mother's side) were both type 2, although neither are with us now. My Dad was on meds but my Aunt controlled hers with diet, my brother also has type 2. I realise this puts me at greater risk, but I have got to 70 and have just recently gone into pre-diabetic range. My bro didn't help himself in the early days unfortunately and now there is no turning back for him, even though he has since given up drinking and smoking, but he seems to manage it pretty well these days. I am hoping to reverse mine with diet if at all possible.

Any guidance would be welcome. Thank you.
Hi Rose, I'm sure you'll soon find your way as testing is vital in order to understand what goes on. I test before a meal if I want to know what impact it has, then every thirty minuets until I'm back to baseline if I'm really curious, or sometimes only every hour. In this way I managed to reduce my HbA1c to 33 at the lowest but always below 40 anyway. I find fat has very little impact on BG so I eat a lot of fat while carbs are trickier so I don't have many of them.
 
Wow .. Your eating a ton of carbs ... If you want a lower sugar reading then do try to reduce the carbs and replace your low fat foods with full fat ones .. I cut my carbs down to around 30g a day and it's worked really well for me. Just over a year on I can add a few extra carbs now and again for a treat without it making a change to my BS .. So loose the bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, cereal, and test before eating and 2hrs after eating ..this will show up the foods that increase your sugar levles and you can drop them from your diet.
Don't worry about counting your calories.. Just the carbs, as carbs turn to sugar when we eat them !
 
I agree with what has been said above. Your carb amounts are far too high if you want to control those blood sugar levels. You can test this out for yourself. Test immediately before a meal, then test again 2 hours after your first bite. Look at the rise. Ideally the rise should be less than 1.5mmol/l. Up to 2mmol/l is acceptable, but not ideal. If it is above this, you have too many carbs in that meal that either need cutting out or reducing in portion size, and these will be potatoes, bread, pasta, rice, cereals, milk and fruits. As we all have different tolerance levels to different foods, you do need to test this way in order to learn what your unique body can cope with.
 
different indeed, my bg would sky rocket on three slices of any kind of bread. On the other hand this doesn't seem so unusual, given I'm diabetic and bread is mostly starch. Oh, and prefer to keep bg normal at all times, if possible.
Yes and I am the same I am diabetic and I prefer to keep my BG normal. But as I said I am lucky
 
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