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copey399

Well-Known Member
Messages
374
Location
West Sussex
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
So.. probably this will turn into a book.

About 3 years ago I was told I had to have yearly Glucose Tolerance Tests which as I'm sure you know is fast, blood test, drink yukky Lucozade and go away for 2 hours, come back and another blood test. PN always said it was "a bit high" but that what was high for some people was normal for others and that might just be "my" normal! Anyway, apparently they found the GTT's weren't that effective so I had to attend for just the blood test. That was towards the end of last year and I had to see the DN and was sent away with some literature and told to adjust my diet and lifestyle. As in eat better but less and try to lose weight and exercise more. Oh and keep a food diary.

Should probably point out here that my husband is T2 but on insulin and his readings are all over the place - been as high as 30 and he had a hypo once when he'd gone too long without food. But he used to test me occasionally and my readings were usually between 6 & 9

I have to admit that I didn't really change much food-wise (blush) and due to a long term back problem and me being 71 I wasn't about to go jogging. In fact I do tend to spend far too long sitting and playing on the computer and anyway it was winter and cold out (excuses). Anyway, the day after I got a phone call from GP (locum) who just said "you are diabetic - make appointment with the DN".

She gave me some more literature and a prescription for Metformin. I tried them for 3 weeks and just felt nauseous all the time so stopped taking them. Eventually went back to DN and she tried me on the slow release ones but I still felt yuk so stopped taking them.

So, last month I was called in for a review and I confessed that I'd not been taking them and she said she'd have a word with the GP. A couple of weeks later I had a phone call from DN saying there was a testing monitor and a prescription for Gliclazide for me to collect from Reception.

Well I was just about to go on holiday and didn't want to feel bad so I decided to do a week of regular readings before starting the meds. My average readings without meds are 8.6 same as the GTTs I was having all those years ago. Been back from holiday a week now and still looking at the box of Gliclazide. (40mg twice a day).

I admit I have a phobia about pills having had a severe allergic reaction to some. I already take Ramipril and Bendroflumethiazide for BP which is under control and Statins for cholesterol. I've also been prescribed Gabapentin for my chronic back pain but I haven't even tried them yet because I'm not going to take 2 new pills at the same time because if I feel bad, how will I know which one's causing it!!

So what do you think? Do I need these pills? If I cut out the carbs and tried gentle exercise like swimming do you think I could make a difference without them? Or am I just putting my head in the sand?

Sorry .. I said this would turn into a book.
 
Hi copey399 a few of the posters on here have managed to lchf and gradually ditch the metformin. It's my ambition to do the same at the mo' i'm on 2 500 tabs of met' one am one pm, managed to lose 3st 8 lbs and my bs are now in a good place , i am going to tell my doc' next week , keep posting and let us know how we can help
 
@copey399 I think that if you cut out the carbs and tried out gentle exercise like swimming, you could turn your life round. Keep your head out of the sand and read up a bit about low-carb-high-fat (LCHF) and get stuck in. One place you could start is http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
Many T2's have gone down this route and have been able to give up (or just avoid) meds and have vastly improved their health and well being.
Sally
 
No-one on here is allowed to give you advice about which pills to take and which ones not to take as we are not medically qualified. I can tell you that I am not in favour of pills and I try not to take them. The most successful ploy was to use the meter to find out what foods raised my blood sugar and then change my eating habits. Added to this, I took the advice of the DN and went for a walk every day which lowered my blood sugar markedly.

Walking is the gentle exercise that worked for me. I was once told that if you are not supporting your body during exercise then it is less effective. I wouldn't know about that.
 
Hi, think the diet and exercise are a great idea - you have nothing to lose by trying. Good luck
 
Hi it is a very personal decision when it comes to taking medication. If you try lowering your carbs and doing some exercise it can only help, just make sure you are testing to keep and eye on your BS.
 
Hi and welcome. You really should take the Metformin SR as it's safe drug but if it does give you problems then I can understand. Gliclazide has a different action from Metformin and is of most use if your pancreas is starting to fail and needs stimulating. It is most useful if you present as near normal weight whereas Metformin is of most use if you are overweight (I'm generalisng based on how they work). Gliclazide is also very safe. If it works it can cause blood sugar to go too low so use the meter until you know it's effect on you. As others have said, diet is the highest priority and if you are a 'typical' T2 with excess weight then you may be able to achieve the right blood sugar without needing any tablets. Do keep in touch with the GP.
 
Wow. You are all so helpful and encouraging. Thank you all for the support and links. I have read and read and feel a bit on overload at the moment but have learned so much and feel so much more positive x The thing I will struggle with most is cutting out bread as I love the stuff. Can't imagine eating eggs without toast. I'll have to try some of the recipes for carb-free bread substitutes.

Good luck to you all in your own personal goals x
 
Hi @copey, if you want to try low carb and gentle exercise, no meds, at least yet, why not propose to Dr and see what they say, if they feel it's a safe route for you, hopefully they'd agree. I negotiated a 3 month no meds period after initial diagnosis, and bs levels came down to pre diabetic at 3 month hab1c check up. So stayed with no meds, and hoping bs are lower still at next hab1c.

Hopefully Dr will be impressed by your commitment. I'm like you, bit wary of taking meds etc.

Good luck,.
 
Hi @copey, if you want to try low carb and gentle exercise, no meds, at least yet, why not propose to Dr and see what they say, if they feel it's a safe route for you, hopefully they'd agree. I negotiated a 3 month no meds period after initial diagnosis, and bs levels came down to pre diabetic at 3 month hab1c check up. So stayed with no meds, and hoping bs are lower still at next hab1c.

Hopefully Dr will be impressed by your commitment. I'm like you, bit wary of taking meds etc.

Good luck,.

Hi,thank you. To be honest I feel my DN and GP will think I'm just being difficult - probably write me off as being neurotic because of my pill phobia. The DN said to make an appointment in November so I think that gives me time to try going down the diet and exercise route and see how it goes and if things aren't improving then I'll try the pills.

Weird thing is I'd planned a pasta meal for today before I read about the lchf diet so i reluctantly had it anyway and test 2 hours after was 7.6.

Daibell confirmed what I was afraid of, that my bs might go too low as I seem so borderline :(
 
With pasta, blood glucose levels are often higher at 3-4 hrs than at 1-2 hrs.
- so try testing again with another meal.
Same with pizza.

Like the others, i think eating to your meter is the best possible advice.
Just try not to eat foods in portions that raise your bg more than 2 mmol at 2 hrs, and try not to go above your target range (see the link in my sig to the 101 website for info on beneficial target ranges.

-if you follow that advice, i'll bet you drift into lower carbing. :)

Welcome. This forum may change your life - and i ain't exaggerating!
 
Hello and welcome.
The thing I will struggle with most is cutting out bread as I love the stuff. Can't imagine eating eggs without toast. I'll have to try some of the recipes for carb-free bread substitutes.
Yes, do that. I make cheese bread (not bread actually) which you will find on here. You can vary the ingredients to suit you. I had a couple of slices under my fried eggs today and it does the job of mopping up. It's not the same as the warm granary and walnut loaf I used to bring back from the baker every few mornings but hey, I have diabetes now and life has taken a new turn. For the better, on the whole.
 
With pasta, blood glucose levels are often higher at 3-4 hrs than at 1-2 hrs.
- so try testing again with another meal.
Same with pizza.

Like the others, i think eating to your meter is the best possible advice.
Just try not to eat foods in portions that raise your bg more than 2 mmol at 2 hrs, and try not to go above your target range (see the link in my sig to the 101 website for info on beneficial target ranges.

-if you follow that advice, i'll bet you drift into lower carbing. :)

Welcome. This forum may change your life - and i ain't exaggerating!

Yes you were right. I had nothing else and I was 9.6 this morning :depressed:
 
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