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Type 2 In Ketosis And Bs Still 7+

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nsh2111

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Diet only
Hello,

I have been eating LCHF for some time now and for last week I have been in ketosis as per wee sticks. This clearly means I am eating very small amount of carbs. Mainly from veg and some truvia in fat bombs.

Despite this my fasting BS is always in high 6 and sometime over 7. During the day it hovers around 7- 7.5 range.

What could be the reason? What else can I drop :(

I am doing weight training so do eat fair amount of protein ( few eggs in morning, cottage cheese or chicken in lunch and mackerel/salmon for dinner).

Any suggestion/feedback to try something appreciated. I am planning to do IF two days a week to see if that will make difference,

N

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Have you checked the ingredients list on your packet/bottle of Truvia? Some sweeteners are bulked out with different stuff and some of this stuff can turn out to be sugar though you may have to google the ingredients as there are over forty different types of sugar some natural and some man made.
 
Guzzler said:
Have you checked the ingredients list on your packet/bottle of Truvia? Some sweeteners are bulked out with different stuff and some of this stuff can turn out to be sugar though you may have to google the ingredients as there are over forty different types of sugar some natural and some man made.
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It says only erithritol and stevia.

xfieldok said:
I had to ditch the cottage cheese.
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will remove that and see if it helps.


With so less carbs, is it a case of protein being converted to glucose?
 
Sounds like you are getting a lot of protein, which can also convert to glucose. Maybe try upping the fat while reducing the protein.
 
Dietary protein isn't usually a problem. The RDAs (Recommended Daily Amounts) are now thought to be set too low by biologists. Protein is used for growth and repair which is why it is essential, it makes an inefficient fuel because to convert protein to glucose in the process of gluconeogenesis actually costs more energy than using glucose from carbs or ketones from stored fats.
 
Ketostix are of limited value to be honest. They only measure excess levels of acetoacetate, which is not the type of ketone that is associated with nutritional ketosis (that is beta-hydroxybutyrate and can only be measured with a blood ketone meter.

If you're regularly eating 20g carbs a day or less, you'll be in ketosis. But you have to be honest with yourself about your intake; I don't always manage to do that ;) Dairy is the thing that I have to watch

This might help you understand the limits of ketostix and save yourself some money.. ;)
 
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The RDAs (Recommended Daily Amounts) are now thought to be set too low by biologists.
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Would like to see your sources for this information as everything I seem to read lately says (in general) we are getting far too much protein as the body can only use so much for any given period of time. Dr. Fung also seems to report excess protein as a cause for glucose rise. I'm not trying to be argumentative...I would just really like to know as there seems to be conflicting information.
 
Nexus6 said:
Would like to see your sources for this information as everything I seem to read lately says (in general) we are getting far too much protein as the body can only use so much for any given period of time. Dr. Fung also seems to report excess protein as a cause for glucose rise.
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Only in the absence or severe restriction of carbs and in the case of RDAs the guidelines of 0.8g per Kilo bodyweight (re protein) is considered to be at the lowest of what should be recommended. If you query protein as the culprit for your higher numbers then there is a simple way to test your theory.
 
If your body is not being pushed into desperate measures by medication or an overload of carbs, why worry?
Your body had been honed for survival by millennia in all sorts of conditions, you are regularly under 8mmol/l which is usually considered a good point to consider as a maximum, despite stressing it with weight training.
Personally I find that eating twice a day, early and late gives me the most even blood glucose levels, but I have done a lot of really low calorie diets in the past and failed to lose weight as my body shuts down at once, at the first hint of restriction. The only thing to do is to try out various options to see what suits - but really it seems that you only need to fine tune.
I do try to eat a fair bit of salad stuff, and use an olive oil and wine vinegar dressing on it as, long term it is possible to put in a lot of variation which seems to help - just allowing the tomatoes to run out or keeping back the radish, or alternating them with celery seems to alleviate the same old same old - just in case you were finding things a bit repetitious. I also add a pinch of herbs or spice to the dressing - just for that subtle difference.
 
Ketostix that are used with urine are fallible. A much better way to measure is with a blood ketone monitor as used by those with T1.
 
You don't seem to be having too much protein. Have you checked your blood glucose before and after meals?
I have a similar problem with hba1c and think I am producing poor insulin from my pancreas although my readings are much lower than yours.
Going keto has put my fasting blood glucose down to 5.1/5.2.
Keep checking what your eating these factory produced foods could have all sorts of stuff in them.
D.

nsh2111 said:
Hello,

I have been eating LCHF for some time now and for last week I have been in ketosis as per wee sticks. This clearly means I am eating very small amount of carbs. Mainly from veg and some truvia in fat bombs.

Despite this my fasting BS is always in high 6 and sometime over 7. During the day it hovers around 7- 7.5 range.

What could be the reason? What else can I drop :(

I am doing weight training so do eat fair amount of protein ( few eggs in morning, cottage cheese or chicken in lunch and mackerel/salmon for dinner).

Any suggestion/feedback to try something appreciated. I am planning to do IF two days a week to see if that will make difference,

N

Edited to correct typo.
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around 0.8 grams of protein pro kg bodyweight is around the level most needs ..

some really have to go as low as 20 grams of carbs daily to get into ketosis and to get morning blood glucose under 6 mmol, and that is very little I find... almost a science initially to find what kind of veggies one can then eat ... like cucumbers and spinach and tomatoes and some olives..

a few people can eat around 40-50 grams of carbs and still be in ketosis.

I haven´t been able to stay that low yet.. and I also find that no matter how much exercise I do my blood glucose does not get much lower.. some people have a blood glucose that lowers a lot from exercise very fast ..and some spikes their adrenaline a lot by exercise and thereby keep their blood glucose up or stable all the time while moving.

we are all very different in many ways... and we all have to find what suits us longterm...

sometimes ones body initially try to keep blood glucose as high as the body is used to, but after a while / some months the blood glucose then lowers if you are strict with your low levels of carbs, the liver is very good at converting proteins into glucose and also have some reserves to release initially untill it is depleated
 
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I was under the assumption, ketones produced naturally through the liver, as a result of high levels of excercise, fasting, or high protein diets, were totally normally, and give the body and the brain energy from none carb sources. Ketones are only dangerous when caused by high blood sugars, which causes ketoacidosis, surely?
 
Freema said:
around 0.8 grams of protein pro kg bodyweight is around the level most needs ..

some really have to go as low as 20 grams of carbs daily to get into ketosis and to get morning blood glucose under 6 mmol, and that is very little I find... almost a science initially to find what kind of veggies one can then eat ... like cucumbers and spinach and tomatoes and some olives..

a few people can eat around 40-50 grams of carbs and still be in ketosis.

I haven´t been able to stay that low yet.. and I also find that no matter how much exercise I do my blood glucose does not get much lower.. some people have a blood glucose that lowers a lot from exercise very fast ..and some spikes their adrenaline a lot by exercise and thereby keep their blood glucose up or stable all the time while moving.

we are all very different in many ways... and we all have to find what suits us longterm...

sometimes ones body initially try to keep blood glucose as high as the body is used to, but after a while / some months the blood glucose the lowers if you are strict with your low levels of carbs, the liver is very good at converting proteins into glucose and also have some reserves to release initially untill it is depleated
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I feel I am same. I have to really lower carb to even register on sticks . I keep missed f the target and get kicked out of ketosis.

Upcoming ocotoberfest will surely kick me out. Had been planned for long so I am trying to be regimental before that.
 
Dixon1995 said:
I was under the assumption, ketones produced naturally through the liver, as a result of high levels of excercise, fasting, or high protein diets, were totally normally, and give the body and the brain energy from none carb sources. Ketones are only dangerous when caused by high blood sugars, which causes ketoacidosis, surely?
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as I have understood the mecanism , we only produce ketones when we have very little blood glucose left and our insuline is low as well
 
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Nexus6 said:
Would like to see your sources for this information as everything I seem to read lately says (in general) we are getting far too much protein as the body can only use so much for any given period of time. Dr. Fung also seems to report excess protein as a cause for glucose rise. I'm not trying to be argumentative...I would just really like to know as there seems to be conflicting information.
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If you google Dr Ben Bikman & Professor Stuart Phillips you'll get plenty of quality information on protein.
 
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