Is there anyway to deal with intermittent dawn phenomenom?

[Rokaab]

Thanks for the comprehensive info, I too would love to have bacon and eggs for breakfast, unlike you I only have time issues and not cooker issues (theres got to be SOME story behind that!?)

Yeah, one evening many years ago, I discovered at about 10pm that I'd left a gas ring on, having had dinner at about 6pm, this scared me somewhat, and it has stuck in my head and now the thought that I've left something on forever bugs me - and I'm forever doubting things like that now - I'm also borderline aspergers which may have exacerbated the issue somewhat.

You said you'd try and keep a record of food, hows that going? Did you have DP this morning? if so what was last nights 'tea'? Any lows/hypos yesterday?

No lows yesterday, dinner at just after 7pm (had docs apt at 5:50 and she was running late), dinner was a GF breaded chicken fillet (from M&S) - 20 carbs, rice (40 carbs), and some homemade garlic butter sauce (butter + garlic + microwave ) - followed by a GF jammy wheel (10 carbs) for pudding
And yes at about 3-4am this morning when my BS level was about 4-5 it started going upwards, it went up to about 12 by 6:15 when my alarm rudely awoke me - so I took my breakfast insulin + small correction and went and hid under the duvet for another 20 mins before breakfast.

Your coding is wrong, there's no meaningful action in the do statement that allows the program to drop out the loop...........

I was hungry at the time, I was more focused on what I could eat rather than my DO WHILE loop

 

[ringi]

Thanks for the comprehensive info, I too would love to have bacon and eggs for breakfast, unlike you I only have time issues and not cooker issues (theres got to be SOME story behind that!?)

Try two eggs, a little cream and some grated cheese in a mug, then microwave for 2 or 3 minutes.

 

[slip]

No lows yesterday, dinner at just after 7pm (had docs apt at 5:50 and she was running late), dinner was a GF breaded chicken fillet (from M&S) - 20 carbs, rice (40 carbs), and some homemade garlic butter sauce (butter + garlic + microwave ) - followed by a GF jammy wheel (10 carbs) for pudding
And yes at about 3-4am this morning when my BS level was about 4-5 it started going upwards, it went up to about 12 by 6:15 when my alarm rudely awoke me - so I took my breakfast insulin + small correction and went and hid under the duvet for another 20 mins before breakfast.

What was your BG just before dinner, and assume you did 14u bolus, all at once just before dinner? Did you do any other BG tests after that? (or what did the Libre say)

 

[Rokaab]

What was your BG just before dinner, and assume you did 14u bolus, all at once just before dinner? Did you do any other BG tests after that? (or what did the Libre say)

BG just before dinner 10, can't remember how much bolus I took (my memory is dubious at best) but it was immediately before dinner, at 8pm it was 11-12 , by 10pm it had started dropping and was at 8, by 11 it had dropped to 5 and then it levelled out til about 3am or so.

 

[slip]

The number of units for dinner is pretty key, you don't log carbs and insulin on the Libre? It might help to do that. And keep a diary of food as well.

Rice can affect BG for a very long time after.............would it be possible to try a low carb dinner? Or anything that avoids rice, potatoes, pasta and the like?

 

[NoKindOfSusie]

Obviously I am an idiot but my reaction to this is that I would not eat 70g of carbs in 2 days let alone all in one meal, are you sure that you are seeing some sort of complex phenomenon, or are you just eating loads of carbs which makes it totally easy to make mistakes?

 

[EllieM]

Obviously I am an idiot but my reaction to this is that I would not eat 70g of carbs in 2 days let alone all in one meal, are you sure that you are seeing some sort of complex phenomenon, or are you just eating loads of carbs which makes it totally easy to make mistakes?

Not an idiot at all but the low carb solution works for some but not all T1s. It isn't so long since the dieticians were recommending highish carb low fat and quite a few T1s make that work (I managed two low HbA1C pregnancies doing this because that was what the dieticians of the day advised). The ultra low carb is more of a T2 thing, but it's very popular here just because 90% of the members are T2.

 

[Rokaab]

The number of units for dinner is pretty key, you don't log carbs and insulin on the Libre?

I found it too awkward, mainly cos you cant seem to add notes for specific times unless there is a scan at the exact time - which sometime there just isn't eg. do a check whilst waiting for food at a pub, which can take a while to turn up on a Friday lunchtime, unless I scan again there's nothing to log it against, and believe me if I've been waiting 30 mins for food I'm not thinking about rescanning , first thing I'm doing when it turns up is to eat and then I'll remember about scanning/logging it some while later.

Rice can affect BG for a very long time after.............would it be possible to try a low carb dinner? Or anything that avoids rice, potatoes, pasta and the like?

I have always been a very very picky eater and there is a lot of stuff I can't tolerate, so this limits my options somewhat (and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon - though whenever I see my parents they still try, normally unsuccesfully)

 

[Rokaab]

Obviously I am an idiot but my reaction to this is that I would not eat 70g of carbs in 2 days let alone all in one meal, are you sure that you are seeing some sort of complex phenomenon, or are you just eating loads of carbs which makes it totally easy to make mistakes?

Not an idiot at all but the low carb solution works for some but not all T1s. It isn't so long since the dieticians were recommending highish carb low fat and quite a few T1s make that work (I managed two low HbA1C pregnancies doing this because that was what the dieticians of the day advised). The ultra low carb is more of a T2 thing, but it's very popular here just because 90% of the members are T2.

Indeed, I've always eaten a decent amount of carbs, as EllieM said it was drilled into many of us who were diagnosed many years ago.
My last HBA1C was my best ever at 49, so I counted that as a success

 

[Rokaab]

So the next update:
No DP overnight (I really do hate intermittent things), my BG stayed at about 4-6 all night and hasn't even spiked with breakfast this morning (it normally does).
Last nights dinner was slightly late (7:30pm)
BG was at 14-15 (it had rather unhelpfully decided to start going up at about 5:45ish when I was thinking about food -having not eaten since lunchtime) - had 80 carbs - which was two oven baked GF rolls (which are very carb heavy, and no they're not very big at all) with bacon, sausage and sweet chilli sauce - took 14 units just before dinner, took another 5 after about 40 mins - I've found with those rolls often if I take all the required bolus, the bolus tends to kick in way before the food does so this the reason I split it.
One hour after food BG was at 11, two after food BG was about 10, and another hour later(10:30pm by this point) it was at 8-9 and I went to bed, it then dropped down to about 3-4 by about 2am, then rose back to about 5 by 3am and then stayed about level til I got rudely awoken by the alarm again, and I've spent a good amount of the morning hovering at 3-5.

Yesterday morning I also had no DP, but I actually put that down to the 6 or 7 vodka (singles) and diet cokes the night before whilst out with friends

 

[slip]

Doing a report on here like this every day is a good idea too. Gives us a chance to spot anything and also gives you the opportunity to review that day and also look back on/link up similar days/foods - as an example on monday you might have the same baked roll//sausage/bacon dinner, and have DP the next morning.......how does that happen?!......looking back you realise you didn't have 'that' drink the previous day...........or oh last time you did jab that 10mins earlier because x,y, and z happened.