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Discussion in 'Greetings and Introductions' started by merrymunky, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    first point...don't get your hopes up.:sorry:

    here's a second opinion, Best post 2019

    A tiny quote, because i think this guys post is too important for people to ignore

    You might just, even from your short time here, know more then they tell you..(i did)
    their helpful and willing, it's true..but i'm convinced restricted in what they CAN discuss & promote or tell us.

    I did try and broached the ideas from here, but the response was, a variant of 'too radical' & " too obsessed with fats"..,
    i can't recall the full comments, but that's a close approximation.


    but the advise was to eat as normal, just less, brown this, brown that..rice and bread all ok..:***: )
    some guidance as to carbs that i DID find useful
    however the diet and advice would have left me, gradually getting sicker and sicker.
    NOT my game plan.

    i found it was perhaps 20%/80% people like myself who seemed to want to get better AND make the required effort
    (sounds disrespectful, not meant , but people either have it in them to help themselves when really pushed or not at all)
    and those who seemed to just accept taking the meds was the way for them..:rolleyes:

    Point two...your foods are edited above, are where i draw the line...i like apples and bananas, the most i would have of either as a TREAT, would be half..and a half again tomorrow to save wasting it, but not on a regular basis.
    but berries ..everyday.

    the more exotic fruits..don't they taste a little sweet to you ?

    that's because they are..and we (me, you and all those who suffer from being diabetic) are basically allergic to sugar.
    so best to avoid them.
     
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  2. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    Fantastic link!

    On my course last year (was never given a name of it) the advisor and dietician both agreed in a private conversation they were not allowed to promote low carb or keto. They both said they would love to and encouraged me to share my experience in lieu of them being allowed to discuss it.
     
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  3. merrymunky

    merrymunky Type 2 · Member

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    Why on earth wouldn’t they be allowed to discuss and educate sufferers on something that seems to be proven to work? It’s madness.
     
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  4. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    Bordering on criminal imo.

    A little more positively even in the 8 months I’ve been diagnosed there is a slow but noticeable growing acceptance across medical fields but until the official policy gets amended.......though I think the was something in the last few weeks acknowledging programs such as the one this site runs. Hopefully someone has a link to it or knows what I’m talking about
     
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  5. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    thank you @HSSS...guy certainly spoke for me..and i assume you by the reaction.

    @merrymunky

    i'm not a great one for conspiracy theories though i do love to read the evidence for or against them.
    but i must be honest, and say i have bought into this one.

    My missus is pretty clued up, and has been banging on for years about BIG PHARMA and the FOOD CORPS.

    Basically the premise is back in the day....America had to decide based on certain evidence if SUGAR or FAT
    was the most evil.

    Despite evidence to the contrary, SUGAR won..and FAT was branded EVIL.
    and so it has been ever since.

    Governments this side of the pond, looked to their doctors, who looked to the very guys who decided sugar was evil in america,and said ...THAT's right.
    So the west set sail en mass to a healthier life, with a wonky compass.

    Cue the decades since and the rise & rise of Obesity., ( DESPITE all the 'healthy' low fat ways to eat.)

    no one dare say now the information was wrong.:rolleyes:
     
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  6. Krystyna23040

    Krystyna23040 Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    .Thank you for the link to this brilliant post. Reading it reminded me how lucky I was to end up here following a way of eating that changed my destiny.

    So am no longer rushing headlong into a bleak future of ill health and relentless deterioration but into a future of better health. OK - rushing is probably a bit optimistic as it is more like inch by inch I am improving my health as it will take some time to undo all the damage done by following the advice to eat low fat and high carb.
     
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  7. SlimLizzy

    SlimLizzy Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Hi there, am currently on Xpert Health Preventing Diabetes course, NHS sponsered. Low Carb High fat is discussed as one of the four possible dietry options, along with the Mediteranean diet, Low fat and Low Calorie. My course leader is very definitely pushing LCHF. Or Mediteranean, remember this is a course for Prediabetics, before you get all het up about that. Low Calorie is described as unsustainable in the long run. Leading to the dreaded yo-yo weight problem. Low Fat is also discussed in a "we used to think it was good, now we know better" way.
    There is hope.
    The NHS is waking up and begining to turn around. BUT until LCHF becomes official policy and there is mandatory retraining on the subject for ALL doctors, nurses and dieticians most will still be dealing out the same old advice.

    edited for typo
     
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  8. HSSS

    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    That sounds like a great course leader. And yes manadatory education would be fantastic for health professionals but I think that’s even more optimistic than official policy change.
     
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  9. SlimLizzy

    SlimLizzy Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    My husband is a social worker, he has mandatory training every year. He would lose his registration without it and his job. Training covers all the latest changes to law and policy. Doctors etc need something similar. After all if it can be applied to one proffesion, why not another?
     
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  10. jjraak

    jjraak Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @SlimLizzy .
    That is fantastic.
    No getting het up here,.
    If it would only starts to turn up in Desmond as well, for those with T2D..we would all benefit.

    Very pleased for you.
    And yes, there is hope..:)
     
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  11. Diakat

    Diakat Type 1 · Expert
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    Doctors and nurses do have to do mandatory training of some sort and log CPD to keep registration. However, because of different specialities they do not all do the same.
     
  12. SlimLizzy

    SlimLizzy Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    That makes sense. Lets hope at some point the policy on diabetes will change and all those specialists will be told about it.
     
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  13. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    In most instances of CPD I know of, the elements the person must undertake must be relevant (to the work they are doing), and add up to a certain number of hours, over the course of a year.

    Bearing in mind that those dealing with T2, in general, family practise, work with a very broad spectrum, they have plenty options, as far as picking up their CPD, and ignoring available time, there are huge numbers of CPD units of the RCGP website, before we consider other online resources, through to face to face meetings and conferences.

    I envisage the various company reps, meeting with HCPs to inform and promote their products will ensure their presentations are CPD compliant as a carrot to meetings happening.

    As someone who worked for years, and years, and years having to pick up CPD, it is usually incredibly simple to do without impinging on one's day to day activity.

    Of course our HCPs should be at the leading edge of knowledge, but in GP surgeries, they have so many pressures - hypertension, diabetes, stress, back pain, asthma, to name just a few, so whilst I think it's not at all good, I can see how folks can become a bit behind the knowledge curve.

    @merrymunky - my advice to you would be to take charge of your own health and to become your own knowledge base.

    There is a MASSIVE amount of experience and knowledge on this site, and with respect to the vast majority of HCPs an individual might encounter in a GP setting, they are unlikely to have the breadth of knowledge many people would like, if not need.

    I urge you to make these early days and weeks an invetment in your future, and the future of your loved ones. I have to say, the time I have spent has never left me wishing I had done less.
     
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  14. rhubarb73

    rhubarb73 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What a really heart breaking story, and thank you for sharing it. I can't add to the excellent advice above, but just to say welcome, and it takes courage to take the first step onto a platform like this - especially with so much sadness in your life.
    This site can help a lot - I hope you find the answers to some of your questions. Keep asking.
     
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