I think the tide is turning and ignorance is being bullied into knowledge. I think the older generation are being allowed more time and patience but the younger generation are expected to know better, or at least read up on it.I recall earlier in the year either reading a blog or watching a video (possibly posted by @Brunneria ) In which an 'expert' had spread the word that with all the drugs now available Diabetics no longer needed to eat their miserable diet, but could eat just like anyone else. So I think the expectation has been fostered by those who really should have known better, not the individuals.
In the old days we ate like
https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/26/mode/2up
I recall earlier in the year either reading a blog or watching a video (possibly posted by @Brunneria ) In which an 'expert' had spread the word that with all the drugs now available Diabetics no longer needed to eat their miserable diet, but could eat just like anyone else. So I think the expectation has been fostered by those who really should have known better, not the individuals.
In the old days we ate like
https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/26/mode/2up
Well it would have been good if BBC had done that as the second half of their effort the other week. This was biased the other way if anything.
It is good to see this alternative to drugs, drugs, drugs getting air-time. The more exposure Prof. Taylor gets the better.
Even the cook/chef wasn't off the wall, swapping starchy carbs for puy lentils, which of themselves are not much lower in carbs. The 'sausage pie and chips' lady surprised me with her curry. I think she had the rice from a 10 man ration pack all to herself. I was screaming at the screen to get her to get a smaller plate
Well done @Peter Maher on your efforts - impressive
I hope that the latest tv programmes will prompt people to go back to their doctors for some sensible LC advice.I'm hopeful that further diabetic documentaries will be more and more knowledgeable as they become more informed. The main carers for diabetic suffers are evolving too. Slowly.
Yes, that's right, of course. Causing problems we never had before. New challenges I suppose.Poor man. I know ignorance is everywhere. Mind u some people, just don't care. Society is changing. I believe there are so many illnesses now because we are living longer. Ironically because of better quality food.
I agree with you about the spread of trial patients for the first newcastle research being in the "newly" diagnosed bracket.Just like bariatric surgery! Also he only uses diabetics who've had diabetes less than 10yrs.
I agree with you about the spread of trial patients for the first newcastle research being in the "newly" diagnosed bracket.
When I first read the research result I did challenge Prof Taylor to take old staggers like me. He wrote to me yesterday as part of an email conversation; "Yes indeed. You must be producing sufficient insulin. It is notable that you have had diabetes for 24 years, as the majority appear not to be able to reverse after around 10 years. With the enormous weight loss after bariatric surgery, some longer duration folk do reverse, so the feasibility is established."
I think I heard the key messages from his early research:
1. There is clear evidence that the inhibition of natural insulin production is caused when visceral fats gather in the liver and pancreas.
2. Prof Taylor's hypothesis was that by reducing these specific fats, the pancreas could be kickstarted into producing insulin again.
3. As I understood his dietary regime it was to persuade the body that it would never get sufficient carbohydrates again to convert to glucose and provide energy, thus persuading it to use stored fats.
I took this to extremes in my change in eating habits (carefully avoiding the imotive term "dieting") I cut out any trace of carbs from my food intake. Strictly no potatoe, no pasta, no breads, no rice. I did not follow his "replacement meal drinks"; I could not stand the taste! Instead I ate 3 sensible meals a day. I rarely felt hungry.
Once I adapted after the first few days I found I could eat delicious tasty food without having to worry overmuch about portion control, though given my circumstances, I am now eating far less than before my food type changed.
Like others, I kept scrupulous records from March 1st when it all began in earnest; I still keep the same level of detail, timing against food intake, blood glucose levels (5 or 6 times a day) {very helpful when you are trying to see the effect of different types of food on your body}, medications, blood pressure (at the same time every day). Weight, but only once a week, and a notes section to mark any notable issues/ milestones. (I did post this on this forum area when I first joined)
The impact on me;
Weight (loss as of today) 17st 3lbs down to 12st 4lbs
Latest Hba1c 40 this after 10 weeks of zero insulin, zero tablets.
No diabetic symptoms at all.
A GP who said last month, "if you presented today asking "am I diabetic", the answer would be "no"".
I make no claims of a "cure" ; neither do Newcastle who talk about patients in remission.
I took professor Taylor's hypothesis and tested it in the privacy of my own life. It worked for me, but you have to be determined; my wife and kids call me "stubourn ". Will it work for others; who knows?"
I do know that I had reached the stage in my life when I wanted to live a little longer, and that I felt the gung-ho approach of eating well and medicating appropriately was not sustainable and not conducive to longevity.
And my golly, I achieved my ambition of reducing my dependency on insulin; in doing so, I feel great, especially not carrying all that weight around, no loss of energy, indeed I can now walk more than a mile without stopping to catch my breath every 100 yards; NO medication; no not even statins or aspirin or blood pressure tablets.
if you are at the same point that I was and want to create change, then what have you got to lose? All the material you need is on the Newcastle Website (Google "diabetes" "Newcastle" "Taylor" and you'll find it at the top of the list. Dietary sheets, suggested menus, advice on changing your attitude of mind to eating and feeling hungry. Even technical notes for your GP and a separate one for your diabetic nurse/diatician.
Then there's a growing number of people, like me, who have worked through it and may be able to support and help.
So what's your excuse then?
Best wishes,
Peter.
I took this to extremes in my change in eating habits (carefully avoiding the imotive term "dieting") I cut out any trace of carbs from my food intake. Strictly no potatoe, no pasta, no breads, no rice. I did not follow his "replacement meal drinks"; I could not stand the taste! Instead I ate 3 sensible meals a day. I rarely felt hungry.
I can see why you say this but many if not most posters here do all the recommendations. Exercise is just 5% of the problem, that's been proven. Diet is the biggest culprit but I only need 600cals permanently. Can you live like that?Eat low carb and low fat and watch the kgs drop off. Someone who is overweight would need to do an awful lot of hard slog exercise every day.....sweat buckets while you do it with the effort. Eating less food is much easier and once the stomach starts to shrink, it becomes a big effort to eat a large carb meal because of stomach ache.
I swear the modern western diet isn't doing many of us any good even though it tastes fantastic and is in plentiful amounts in the shops begging to be bought.
Why would a type 2 want to willingly eat carbs though?Hi 600kals is roughly equal to about 60g carb per day. I use the bolus basal way of dealing with D but I also use a pump so I can manipulate the basal with the bolus any which way I want.
I eat about 50 to 70g carb per day so breakfast is usually no more than 15g carb, mid morning I might eat a rice cake 7g carb if bg is a bit lower than ideal and then lunch is now some iceberg lettuce chopped up with a few slices of cucumber, 1 pear chopped up and mixed in with the lettuce, 1 tsp of thai sauce stired into 1 dsp lemon juice, stir into lettuce mix to make a nice dressing, cook some fish or tin of sardines, cut up 1 tomatoe, sit down and enjoy and yr lunch. If lettuce isn't about, gently fry 1 rasher of back bacon and also some green kale, then break a large egg over the top and cook, add 1 tomatoe and half slice of bread or lidl roll. Eve meal can be boiled veg, small portion of meat and a piece of fruit and a rice cake b4 bed to stop hypos. Try to adjust yr insulin accordingly and don't eat too many nuts as they can for some, cause weight to rise a bit.
yes exactly... so you have answered your own rhetorical question but not mine.Why would a type 2 willingly eat fat? It's because they don't to starve so use fat as an appetite sstisfyer so they don't feel hungry.
I can see why you say this but many if not most posters here do all the recommendations. Exercise is just 5% of the problem, that's been proven. Diet is the biggest culprit but I only need 600cals permanently. Can you live like that?
They need me to to prevent IR getting worse. Even Newcastle diet doesn't provide that.
In all honesty I think hypnosis and counselling is the only answer. The brain needs retuning and kept receiving reminders to the opposite of adverts and availability of the wrong foods. A lifetime of the wrong messages doesn't help.
In the new year I'm going to get my kids to make me posters and fridge magnets to reconfirm healthy food choices for a diabetic, like me!
I've found one on google play. I'll investigate. Thank you.Ickihun, I just wanted to say that I have a friend who is using a hypnosis App (I think it's an app) which delivers gastric band messages, to encourage reduced eating, aiming for weight loss. I can't recall exactly how much weight she had lost, but it was a fair amount. It doesn't make her completely mimic the band experience, in that she can still eat more (quantity on the plate) than such a patient would, but it's working for her, and she can "top-up" on the messages as often as she likes.
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