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ITV TONIGHT Programme on thursday 27th October 2016 - "Can Your Diet Defeat Diabetes?"

Brunneria said:
No, not true.
Although it may be true for the majority.
Also, a significant % of Prof. Taylor's study subjects do not achieve reversal.
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Just like bariatric surgery! Also he only uses diabetics who've had diabetes less than 10yrs.
 
callyandy said:
I agree about the man who gave up on the diet, To use the reason that it was difficult to manage in the evenings seemed a bit feeble. Anything worth trying should be approached with a positive mental attitude. He didn't seem to have this from the start. Granddaughter's 6th birthday party, Hmmm. Who was the child? Leave the cake alone...:meh:
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Sometimes we forget that not everyone has catered for themselves in the past and may find the kitchen hostile. I think it was Dr. Unwin who said that if he interviews someone then he is happy to have their hunter/gatherer there also. (I think he means the wife). Then the shopping and cooking (for the non cooking person) can be done right.
 
I think in the wonderful world of TV land this was the best "we" could have expected, positive example driven case studies. If you were a type 2 struggling to control your blood sugars, this will hopefully provide hope and practical advice to get on the right track. I thought the lady who was used to eating sausage pie and chips, showed a brilliant attitude when she went low carb, its worth freeze framing the chart she created with her measurements.
 
I just looked up Dr. Unwin's paper and I quote

" On the subject of collaborating: it’s really worth finding out who is doing the shopping and meal preparation for the patient, and offering an invitation for them to come along to the review if that is acceptable. This helps engender a “wholefamily” approach. As a consequence of promoting this approach, the partner of one of my patients with type 2 diabetes has lost 25.4 kg in weight."
 
Nicksu said:
The problem is the person who couldn't stiick the diet didn't seem to be particularly keen on changing their eating habits in the first place. That's the first stumbling block there. Unless you are willing to change, nothing will do so. Pity really, because the other 2 were definitely more keen and had the results accordingly. Just shows its in the mindset, if we want to do things, we can, if not - forget it. Mental attitude is the key I think.
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I agree. Some however have dieted for yrs without results and down trodden. This to them is just another diet. Another disappointment after much effort, they think.
Also some have no energy, remember those days?
A day centre to get them started and on their way....maybe needed. I'd work there voluntarily, if they asked.
 
donnellysdogs said:
So they don't mind sending for bariatric surgery though??
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They'd still have to be seen by a psychiatrist and a dietician before seeing a surgeon. Even if you don't want surgery but want to know why weight loss doesn't happen when you eat less and exercise more. Still, at least I have a letter from the psychiatrist and dietician team to say that I have a weight problem not an eating problem.
 
Think we all want to help ourselves rather than relying on NHS medicines. The person that gave up on diet is of the same mind as 80% of diabetic's.. Take the drugs and eat what you like still. It's the same with the whole population still really. I've been to many kitchens in people's houses and had chats etc with Joe Bloggs at practices on behalf of ppgs' ..80% of people are still not wanting to change anything about their eating/drinking etc. A woman I knew just blamed everything one gp having genes that made her fat.... Yet her family never cooked... Not once..she had two boys under 10 as well. They survived on subways and little chef/McDonald's for breakfast/school meals and burger/ fish chips/Chinese/Indians and huge pizzas for tea, kids always had full sugar fizzy drinks, crisps or cakes in hands when walking past to go 50 yards to their grandmother. They then would be stuffing themselves on way home with additional chops and cakes amend crisps in a carrier bag from gran.

I think us forum members have to congratulate ourselves that we care enough to be here and well done to Peter for taking part in programme.

I still don't think the general non diagnosed or even diagnosed really want to change anything. They are prepared to just take the meds...
 
dbr10 said:
It might encourage patients to challenge their HCPs on the dietary guidelines. Incidentally, just met an retired nurse on holiday who knew next to nothing at diabetes. How it that possible?
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That's why they are retired. My father-in-law was a charge nurse for yrs and saw very little of it. My grandad too. It's a modern epidemic!
Processed foods and sugar/fructose loaded foods.
 
Mbaker said:
I think in the wonderful world of TV land this was the best "we" could have expected, positive example driven case studies. If you were a type 2 struggling to control your blood sugars, this will hopefully provide hope and practical advice to get on the right track. I thought the lady who was used to eating sausage pie and chips, showed a brilliant attitude when she went low carb, its worth freeze framing the chart she created with her measurements.
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I was most impressed with her too. I haven't got that in me now. To many diets in past. I'm all dieted out!
 
Squire Fulwood said:
I just looked up Dr. Unwin's paper and I quote

" On the subject of collaborating: it’s really worth finding out who is doing the shopping and meal preparation for the patient, and offering an invitation for them to come along to the review if that is acceptable. This helps engender a “wholefamily” approach. As a consequence of promoting this approach, the partner of one of my patients with type 2 diabetes has lost 25.4 kg in weight."
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I shop for the whole family, not just for me. Money is tight with a young family constantly growing and have activity needs too, not just food.
 
What about the GPs that never pick or picked up on their patients health ..
So many I feel , and this makes me sad ..

I was not impressed with the programme , I have my own views ..

I wish the wake up call had been with the medical or health profession years ago ..

It can take an average of 10 visits I believe to get a correct diagnosis.. ... people get neglected ..not all of course ..

As for over weight , well there are many people in the health service who are bigger than perhaps they should be ..
Fast food , cream cakes , drink , smoking .. etc etc . When will professionals practice what they preach ..
Not all of course .. but then no one is perfect .. :)
 
ickihun said:
That's why they are retired. My father-in-law was a charge nurse for yrs and saw very little of it. My grandad too. It's a modern epidemic!
Processed foods and sugar/fructose loaded foods.
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Well, if you think about what they do to fatten a goose in order to make liver pate, stuffing corn into them in order to enlarge the liver, it sort of makes you think. Fructose loaded food is the reason the USA is in a worse state than the UK!
 
donnellysdogs said:
ok we all want to help ourselves rather than relying on NHS medicines. The person that gave up on diet is of the same mind as 80% of diabetic's.. Take the drugs and eat what you like still. It's the same with the whole population still really. I've been to many kitchens in people's houses and had chats etc with Joe Bloggs at practices on behalf of ppgs' ..80% of people are still not wanting to change anything about their eating/drinking etc. A woman I knew just blamed everything one gp having genes that made her fat.... Yet her family never cooked... Not once..she had two boys under 10 as well. They survived on subways and little chef/McDonald's for breakfast/school meals and burger/ fish chips/Chinese/Indians and huge pizzas for tea, kids always had full sugar fizzy drinks, crisps or cakes in hands when walking past to go 50 yards to their grandmother. They then would be stuffing themselves on way home with additional chops and cakes amend crisps in a carrier bag from gran.

I think us forum members have to congratulate ourselves that we care enough to be here and well done to Peter for taking part in programme.

I still don't think the general non diagnosed or even diagnosed really want to change anything. They are prepared to just take the meds...
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This made me very sad to hear but I know true. Many aren't even overweight or very overweight.
I've eaten properly 99% of my life, I've done without easter eggs as a child and christmas food treats unlike my cousins. Many a treat. Here I am still overweight. I've exercised whilst my cousins have sat and laughed. School friends doubting my eating habits til they come and do a sleep over. Many of my age mates ate more calories than me. As a child I never understood.
 
ickihun said:
That's why they are retired. My father-in-law was a charge nurse for yrs and saw very little of it. My grandad too. It's a modern epidemic!
Processed foods and sugar/fructose loaded foods.
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Yes. On the other hand, I was talking to a type 1 at the men's support group who was in hospital recently. They wake you up at 3am, take a BG reading which is sky eye, and do nothing about it. Plus they often try to take your basal insulin off you apparently. Later he went hypo so the decided to try to give him glucose which makes him sick. He had to plead with them to give him a biscuit and some tea and leave him alone.
 
Where I live, it seems that people that are diagnosed as type 2 are told to eat fruit, nuts, wholegrain bread but nothing about reducing the main offenders.......rice, pasta, chips, fast food takeaway and cut down on bread and cereals. In fact, it seems as though it's a case of don't worry about losing weight, just take tablets and we will monitor you and get pots of money for doing so, no doubt
 
dbr10 said:
Yes. On the other hand, I was talking to a type 1 at the men's support group who was in hospital recently. They wake you up at 3am, take a BG reading which is sky eye, and do nothing about it. Plus they often try to take your basal insulin off you apparently. Later he went hypo so the decided to try to give him glucose which makes him sick. He had to plead with them to give him a biscuit and some tea and leave him alone.
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Poor man. I know ignorance is everywhere. Mind u some people, just don't care. Society is changing. I believe there are so many illnesses now because we are living longer. Ironically because of better quality food.
 
I'm hopeful that further diabetic documentaries will be more and more knowledgeable as they become more informed. The main carers for diabetic suffers are evolving too. Slowly.
 
Now to me, to be on tablets is absolutely dreadful. I'm always on some anyway, since I have MG and have to take steroids - blasted thing.). I don't need any more if I can help it, so therefore I take steps to not need the diabetes meds.
 
At various moments over my diabetic journey since February, I was told I was "being obsessive", when I was testing before and after meals, or when I was explaining I couldn't eat such-and-such because of the high carbs. I stuck to my guns and now can say look at my results. It wasn't difficult, just the only option in my eyes.
One of the subjects in the programme made excuses for why he couldn't stick to the regime - he failed. One kept diaries, charts, tested properly and made an effort with her cooking. She was bubbly and upbeat and was already winning. Peter's approach ( @Peter Maher ) was one many of us recognise. He's a winner!
 
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donnellysdogs said:
The person that gave up on diet is of the same mind as 80% of diabetic's.. Take the drugs and eat what you like still. .
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I recall earlier in the year either reading a blog or watching a video (possibly posted by @Brunneria ) In which an 'expert' had spread the word that with all the drugs now available Diabetics no longer needed to eat their miserable diet, but could eat just like anyone else. So I think the expectation has been fostered by those who really should have known better, not the individuals.

In the old days we ate like
https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/26/mode/2up
 
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