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ITV TONIGHT Programme on thursday 27th October 2016 - "Can Your Diet Defeat Diabetes?"

I recall earlier in the year either reading a blog or watching a video (possibly posted by @Brunneria ) In which an 'expert' had spread the word that with all the drugs now available Diabetics no longer needed to eat their miserable diet, but could eat just like anyone else. So I think the expectation has been fostered by those who really should have known better, not the individuals.

In the old days we ate like
https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/26/mode/2up
I think the tide is turning and ignorance is being bullied into knowledge. I think the older generation are being allowed more time and patience but the younger generation are expected to know better, or at least read up on it.
I won't be arrogant to say I knew better before this forum but I definitely know more now because of it.
Maybe the nhs could collaborate with the site more, for a change.I know quite a few pop in and out but maybe it being approved by the nhs would go a long way?
 
I recall earlier in the year either reading a blog or watching a video (possibly posted by @Brunneria ) In which an 'expert' had spread the word that with all the drugs now available Diabetics no longer needed to eat their miserable diet, but could eat just like anyone else. So I think the expectation has been fostered by those who really should have known better, not the individuals.

In the old days we ate like
https://archive.org/stream/diabeticcookeryr00oppeiala#page/26/mode/2up

Can you give more info on this video?

I have no recollection of seeing one that fits your description, let alone posting it here.
 
Well it would have been good if BBC had done that as the second half of their effort the other week. This was biased the other way if anything.
It is good to see this alternative to drugs, drugs, drugs getting air-time. The more exposure Prof. Taylor gets the better.
Even the cook/chef wasn't off the wall, swapping starchy carbs for puy lentils, which of themselves are not much lower in carbs. The 'sausage pie and chips' lady surprised me with her curry. I think she had the rice from a 10 man ration pack all to herself. I was screaming at the screen to get her to get a smaller plate:)

Well done @Peter Maher on your efforts - impressive

I think that curry was her before the diet started meal as she did question her next plate of food from the diet the chicken and puy lentils as being quite a small portion so thought it would not be enough for her
As to the lentils she was loving them and her BG level after eating them was really good. I think lentils are great but I don't eat large portions of them
 
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I'm hopeful that further diabetic documentaries will be more and more knowledgeable as they become more informed. The main carers for diabetic suffers are evolving too. Slowly.
I hope that the latest tv programmes will prompt people to go back to their doctors for some sensible LC advice.
 
Poor man. I know ignorance is everywhere. Mind u some people, just don't care. Society is changing. I believe there are so many illnesses now because we are living longer. Ironically because of better quality food.
Yes, that's right, of course. Causing problems we never had before. New challenges I suppose.
 
In all honesty though, I still thought the size of portions for the great lady accepting change was large...
I looked at the birthday cake and pizzas and just thought the world has gone mad... just excess load on everything...
Perhaps I am a bit of a bah humbug as I dont excess at any time (unless a bottle of drambuie for xmas counts)..(now only £18 at Tesco-way hey!!!).
But we're now doing limo's for leaving balls for 16 year olds, halloween is just excessive (Tesco at 6.30pm was packed with queues like xmas)...

To me food plates have enlarged since my childhood glass pyrex plates for my meals.. and the plates are always full!

The programme lacked info on snacking....
 
It's sad that the BBC with its mission to inform and educate is making sensationalist documentaries promoting expensive and dangerous surgery as a cure-all, while commercial ITV produced a sensible little piece about the effectiveness of diet.
That said, I think they could not come right out and say LCHF works, because that is still heresy in the eyes of the diet police. Look at poor old Tim Noakes and the trouble he got into for saying it.
 
Just like bariatric surgery! Also he only uses diabetics who've had diabetes less than 10yrs.
I agree with you about the spread of trial patients for the first newcastle research being in the "newly" diagnosed bracket.

When I first read the research result I did challenge Prof Taylor to take old staggers like me. He wrote to me yesterday as part of an email conversation; "Yes indeed. You must be producing sufficient insulin. It is notable that you have had diabetes for 24 years, as the majority appear not to be able to reverse after around 10 years. With the enormous weight loss after bariatric surgery, some longer duration folk do reverse, so the feasibility is established."

I think I heard the key messages from his early research:
1. There is clear evidence that the inhibition of natural insulin production is caused when visceral fats gather in the liver and pancreas.
2. Prof Taylor's hypothesis was that by reducing these specific fats, the pancreas could be kickstarted into producing insulin again.
3. As I understood his dietary regime it was to persuade the body that it would never get sufficient carbohydrates again to convert to glucose and provide energy, thus persuading it to use stored fats.

I took this to extremes in my change in eating habits (carefully avoiding the imotive term "dieting") I cut out any trace of carbs from my food intake. Strictly no potatoe, no pasta, no breads, no rice. I did not follow his "replacement meal drinks"; I could not stand the taste! Instead I ate 3 sensible meals a day. I rarely felt hungry.

Once I adapted after the first few days I found I could eat delicious tasty food without having to worry overmuch about portion control, though given my circumstances, I am now eating far less than before my food type changed.

Like others, I kept scrupulous records from March 1st when it all began in earnest; I still keep the same level of detail, timing against food intake, blood glucose levels (5 or 6 times a day) {very helpful when you are trying to see the effect of different types of food on your body}, medications, blood pressure (at the same time every day). Weight, but only once a week, and a notes section to mark any notable issues/ milestones. (I did post this on this forum area when I first joined)

The impact on me;

Weight (loss as of today) 17st 3lbs down to 12st 4lbs
Latest Hba1c 40 this after 10 weeks of zero insulin, zero tablets.
No diabetic symptoms at all.
A GP who said last month, "if you presented today asking "am I diabetic", the answer would be "no"".

I make no claims of a "cure" ; neither do Newcastle who talk about patients in remission.

I took professor Taylor's hypothesis and tested it in the privacy of my own life. It worked for me, but you have to be determined; my wife and kids call me "stubourn ". Will it work for others; who knows?"

I do know that I had reached the stage in my life when I wanted to live a little longer, and that I felt the gung-ho approach of eating well and medicating appropriately was not sustainable and not conducive to longevity.

And my golly, I achieved my ambition of reducing my dependency on insulin; in doing so, I feel great, especially not carrying all that weight around, no loss of energy, indeed I can now walk more than a mile without stopping to catch my breath every 100 yards; NO medication; no not even statins or aspirin or blood pressure tablets.

if you are at the same point that I was and want to create change, then what have you got to lose? All the material you need is on the Newcastle Website (Google "diabetes" "Newcastle" "Taylor" and you'll find it at the top of the list. Dietary sheets, suggested menus, advice on changing your attitude of mind to eating and feeling hungry. Even technical notes for your GP and a separate one for your diabetic nurse/diatician.

Then there's a growing number of people, like me, who have worked through it and may be able to support and help.

So what's your excuse then?

Best wishes,

Peter.
 
I agree with you about the spread of trial patients for the first newcastle research being in the "newly" diagnosed bracket.

When I first read the research result I did challenge Prof Taylor to take old staggers like me. He wrote to me yesterday as part of an email conversation; "Yes indeed. You must be producing sufficient insulin. It is notable that you have had diabetes for 24 years, as the majority appear not to be able to reverse after around 10 years. With the enormous weight loss after bariatric surgery, some longer duration folk do reverse, so the feasibility is established."

I think I heard the key messages from his early research:
1. There is clear evidence that the inhibition of natural insulin production is caused when visceral fats gather in the liver and pancreas.
2. Prof Taylor's hypothesis was that by reducing these specific fats, the pancreas could be kickstarted into producing insulin again.
3. As I understood his dietary regime it was to persuade the body that it would never get sufficient carbohydrates again to convert to glucose and provide energy, thus persuading it to use stored fats.

I took this to extremes in my change in eating habits (carefully avoiding the imotive term "dieting") I cut out any trace of carbs from my food intake. Strictly no potatoe, no pasta, no breads, no rice. I did not follow his "replacement meal drinks"; I could not stand the taste! Instead I ate 3 sensible meals a day. I rarely felt hungry.

Once I adapted after the first few days I found I could eat delicious tasty food without having to worry overmuch about portion control, though given my circumstances, I am now eating far less than before my food type changed.

Like others, I kept scrupulous records from March 1st when it all began in earnest; I still keep the same level of detail, timing against food intake, blood glucose levels (5 or 6 times a day) {very helpful when you are trying to see the effect of different types of food on your body}, medications, blood pressure (at the same time every day). Weight, but only once a week, and a notes section to mark any notable issues/ milestones. (I did post this on this forum area when I first joined)

The impact on me;

Weight (loss as of today) 17st 3lbs down to 12st 4lbs
Latest Hba1c 40 this after 10 weeks of zero insulin, zero tablets.
No diabetic symptoms at all.
A GP who said last month, "if you presented today asking "am I diabetic", the answer would be "no"".

I make no claims of a "cure" ; neither do Newcastle who talk about patients in remission.

I took professor Taylor's hypothesis and tested it in the privacy of my own life. It worked for me, but you have to be determined; my wife and kids call me "stubourn ". Will it work for others; who knows?"

I do know that I had reached the stage in my life when I wanted to live a little longer, and that I felt the gung-ho approach of eating well and medicating appropriately was not sustainable and not conducive to longevity.

And my golly, I achieved my ambition of reducing my dependency on insulin; in doing so, I feel great, especially not carrying all that weight around, no loss of energy, indeed I can now walk more than a mile without stopping to catch my breath every 100 yards; NO medication; no not even statins or aspirin or blood pressure tablets.

if you are at the same point that I was and want to create change, then what have you got to lose? All the material you need is on the Newcastle Website (Google "diabetes" "Newcastle" "Taylor" and you'll find it at the top of the list. Dietary sheets, suggested menus, advice on changing your attitude of mind to eating and feeling hungry. Even technical notes for your GP and a separate one for your diabetic nurse/diatician.

Then there's a growing number of people, like me, who have worked through it and may be able to support and help.

So what's your excuse then?

Best wishes,

Peter.

This is such a an inspirational story, and so nice of you to get on this forum and share your story with us.

In many places there are lots of debates concerning wheter diabetes can be "cured" or not .

When presented with stories like your, they have to be taken into account, regardless of initial stance, and they are very helpful.

Good luck in the future.
 
I took this to extremes in my change in eating habits (carefully avoiding the imotive term "dieting") I cut out any trace of carbs from my food intake. Strictly no potatoe, no pasta, no breads, no rice. I did not follow his "replacement meal drinks"; I could not stand the taste! Instead I ate 3 sensible meals a day. I rarely felt hungry.

Hi Peter
What an amazing story and even more interesting that you went Ultra Low Carb from the start.
I have often wondered if that would be a more effective way of following the Newcastle Diet rather than having lots of high carb meal replacement drinks. Sounds like you (admittedly as a one person trial) have shown that it might. Did Dr Taylor give any feedback about whether your way could possibly be more effective i.e. doing a very low carb calorie limited diet rather than higher carb one?
Many congratulations on your success.
Regards
Mark
 
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I'd love to see the difference between men succeeding compared to hormonally challenged women.
I reduced my carbs and intake for more than 8 weeks and lost nothing. Although I used the lchf diet not newcastle diet.
I will have another attempt after xmas as money is very tight of my young family. I have to accomodate everyone, not just me.
If I fail I will be signing up for bariatric surgery. I cannot continuing to add weight on insulin injections.
 
Eat low carb and low fat and watch the kgs drop off. Someone who is overweight would need to do an awful lot of hard slog exercise every day.....sweat buckets while you do it with the effort. Eating less food is much easier and once the stomach starts to shrink, it becomes a big effort to eat a large carb meal because of stomach ache.
I swear the modern western diet isn't doing many of us any good even though it tastes fantastic and is in plentiful amounts in the shops begging to be bought.
 
Eat low carb and low fat and watch the kgs drop off. Someone who is overweight would need to do an awful lot of hard slog exercise every day.....sweat buckets while you do it with the effort. Eating less food is much easier and once the stomach starts to shrink, it becomes a big effort to eat a large carb meal because of stomach ache.
I swear the modern western diet isn't doing many of us any good even though it tastes fantastic and is in plentiful amounts in the shops begging to be bought.
I can see why you say this but many if not most posters here do all the recommendations. Exercise is just 5% of the problem, that's been proven. Diet is the biggest culprit but I only need 600cals permanently. Can you live like that?
They need me to to prevent IR getting worse. Even Newcastle diet doesn't provide that.
In all honesty I think hypnosis and counselling is the only answer. The brain needs retuning and kept receiving reminders to the opposite of adverts and availability of the wrong foods. A lifetime of the wrong messages doesn't help.
In the new year I'm going to get my kids to make me posters and fridge magnets to reconfirm healthy food choices for a diabetic, like me!
 
Hi 600kals is roughly equal to about 60g carb per day. I use the bolus basal way of dealing with D but I also use a pump so I can manipulate the basal with the bolus any which way I want.
I eat about 50 to 70g carb per day so breakfast is usually no more than 15g carb, mid morning I might eat a rice cake 7g carb if bg is a bit lower than ideal and then lunch is now some iceberg lettuce chopped up with a few slices of cucumber, 1 pear chopped up and mixed in with the lettuce, 1 tsp of thai sauce stired into 1 dsp lemon juice, stir into lettuce mix to make a nice dressing, cook some fish or tin of sardines, cut up 1 tomatoe, sit down and enjoy and yr lunch. If lettuce isn't about, gently fry 1 rasher of back bacon and also some green kale, then break a large egg over the top and cook, add 1 tomatoe and half slice of bread or lidl roll. Eve meal can be boiled veg, small portion of meat and a piece of fruit and a rice cake b4 bed to stop hypos. Try to adjust yr insulin accordingly and don't eat too many nuts as they can for some, cause weight to rise a bit.
 
Hi 600kals is roughly equal to about 60g carb per day. I use the bolus basal way of dealing with D but I also use a pump so I can manipulate the basal with the bolus any which way I want.
I eat about 50 to 70g carb per day so breakfast is usually no more than 15g carb, mid morning I might eat a rice cake 7g carb if bg is a bit lower than ideal and then lunch is now some iceberg lettuce chopped up with a few slices of cucumber, 1 pear chopped up and mixed in with the lettuce, 1 tsp of thai sauce stired into 1 dsp lemon juice, stir into lettuce mix to make a nice dressing, cook some fish or tin of sardines, cut up 1 tomatoe, sit down and enjoy and yr lunch. If lettuce isn't about, gently fry 1 rasher of back bacon and also some green kale, then break a large egg over the top and cook, add 1 tomatoe and half slice of bread or lidl roll. Eve meal can be boiled veg, small portion of meat and a piece of fruit and a rice cake b4 bed to stop hypos. Try to adjust yr insulin accordingly and don't eat too many nuts as they can for some, cause weight to rise a bit.
Why would a type 2 want to willingly eat carbs though?
 
Why would a type 2 willingly eat fat? It's because they don't to starve so use fat as an appetite sstisfyer so they don't feel hungry.
 
Why would a type 2 willingly eat fat? It's because they don't to starve so use fat as an appetite sstisfyer so they don't feel hungry.
yes exactly... so you have answered your own rhetorical question but not mine.
 
I can see why you say this but many if not most posters here do all the recommendations. Exercise is just 5% of the problem, that's been proven. Diet is the biggest culprit but I only need 600cals permanently. Can you live like that?
They need me to to prevent IR getting worse. Even Newcastle diet doesn't provide that.
In all honesty I think hypnosis and counselling is the only answer. The brain needs retuning and kept receiving reminders to the opposite of adverts and availability of the wrong foods. A lifetime of the wrong messages doesn't help.
In the new year I'm going to get my kids to make me posters and fridge magnets to reconfirm healthy food choices for a diabetic, like me!

Ickihun, I just wanted to say that I have a friend who is using a hypnosis App (I think it's an app) which delivers gastric band messages, to encourage reduced eating, aiming for weight loss. I can't recall exactly how much weight she had lost, but it was a fair amount. It doesn't make her completely mimic the band experience, in that she can still eat more (quantity on the plate) than such a patient would, but it's working for her, and she can "top-up" on the messages as often as she likes.
 
Ickihun, I just wanted to say that I have a friend who is using a hypnosis App (I think it's an app) which delivers gastric band messages, to encourage reduced eating, aiming for weight loss. I can't recall exactly how much weight she had lost, but it was a fair amount. It doesn't make her completely mimic the band experience, in that she can still eat more (quantity on the plate) than such a patient would, but it's working for her, and she can "top-up" on the messages as often as she likes.
I've found one on google play. I'll investigate. Thank you. :)
 
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