Jenny wren

Wilber123

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Hi Guys Iv been watching this site for over a year. I have a strong family risk of Diabetes, as my Dad was one of 12 Children all had diabetes.
But!!!!
My GP wrote to me today as my yearly HBA1C has now reached 42, / 7 mmols.
Iv been asked to attend a course of some sort , so I’m phoning to day to make an appointment.
What I don’t understand is why? has my blood glucose risen and Iv been filling Slimming World without cheating. I can’t lose any weigh in the past 5 months Iv struggled to lose 3lb.
Is this because of blood glucose ? I don’t understand this.
Jenny wren. Please help.
 

Wilber123

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I mainly eating salad and protein.
Iv just phoned the appointment centre. App for the 19 June.
Many thanks for your reply.
 

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Hi and welcome.

Can you tell us a typical day's food and drink? We may be able to spot something to help you with.

Have you got your own blood glucose meter? If not, I strongly urge you to buy one. Without this essential tool you are working blind.
 

Terrytiddy

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Hi Jenny Wren @Wilber123 welcome to the group. I will tag @daisy1 for welcome info for you. As @Bluetit1802 as suggested let us know your typical foods. Carbs and sugars are foods that most diabetics steer clear of. Your in the right place for help, advice and support. :)
 
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@Wilber123

Hello Jenny wren and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

therower

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@Wilber123 . When you say your father and all his siblings were diabetic are we saying they were all T2 or T1 or a mix of both or even any other variant of diabetes?
 

Wilber123

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My Dsd and his siblings were mainly T1 but a few were T2

My daily diet on Slimming World consists
250mls s/s milk
Egg bacon tomatoes / breakfast or porridge or fruit and a Fat free yogurt.
Lunch mainly veg or salad with either chicken / fish or some type of protein.
Dinner
Meat of some type
5% mince beef or lamp fish pork
With a few new pots and stacks of green veg or carrots etc.
I don’t eat cake or crisp chocolates or rubbish.
Sorry guys I’m new to the forum I do very much appreciate all of your help.
Just spoke to GP, he said not to buy a meter. Not. Yes what to do.
Thank you all.
 
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Jenny15

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My Dsd and his siblings were mainly T1 but a few were T2

My daily diet on Slimming World consists
250mls s/s milk
Egg bacon tomatoes / breakfast or porridge or fruit and a Fat free yogurt.
Lunch mainly veg or salad with either chicken / fish or some type of protein.
Dinner
Meat of some type
5% mince beef or lamp fish pork
With a few new pots and stacks of green veg or carrots etc.
I don’t eat cake or crisp chocolates or rubbish.
Sorry guys I’m new to the forum I do very much appreciate all of your help.
Just spoke to GP, he said not to buy a meter. Not. Yes what to do.
Thank you all.
many doctors say not to buy a meter but they don't see it from the point of view of a person who needs to prevent getting diabetes. It's OK to get your own meter even if the doctor recommends against doing it. You will learn why as you read the forums more. At this stage I just want to reassure you this often happens and it's OK to still buy your own if you want to
 
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dbr10

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many doctors say not to buy a meter but they don't see it from the point of view of a person who needs to prevent getting diabetes. It's OK to get your own meter even if the doctor recommends against doing it. You will learn why as you read the forums more. At this stage I just want to reassure you this often happens and it's OK to still buy your own if you want to
Definitely a good idea.
 

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My Dsd and his siblings were mainly T1 but a few were T2

My daily diet on Slimming World consists
250mls s/s milk
Egg bacon tomatoes / breakfast or porridge or fruit and a Fat free yogurt.
Lunch mainly veg or salad with either chicken / fish or some type of protein.
Dinner
Meat of some type
5% mince beef or lamp fish pork
With a few new pots and stacks of green veg or carrots etc.
I don’t eat cake or crisp chocolates or rubbish.
Sorry guys I’m new to the forum I do very much appreciate all of your help.
Just spoke to GP, he said not to buy a meter. Not. Yes what to do.
Thank you all.

As I thought it would be - low fat everything and plenty of carbs. This is probably fine for weight loss, because that is what SW is in business for and where it makes its money. However, not so suitable for diabetes unless you adapt the menu plans accordingly.

I am 100% certain that if you buy a meter you will see what I mean. Your doctor is following national guidelines by not recommending the use of a meter. This is a purely financial decision and nothing to do with patient need. If they recommended meters they would have to prescribe them, and this they will not do. Purely financial. The decision is yours of course, but without one you really are in no mans land as regards your food choices. With your genetic history, and your HbA1c, you are likely to progress to type 2 unless you do something about it, and a meter is the very best tool to guide you in this.

The most popular meters for self funding T2's are the Codefree and the Tee2 because the strips are much cheaper than other meters, and you need a lot of strips. You can't buy them in pharmacies.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

There are discount codes if you buy in bulk. (applied at the check out stage)
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here and the meter is free.

http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product-category/shop/tee2/

Don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free. (for either meter)
 
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Wilber123

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Many thanks to you all.
Iv just gone online and purchased a Codefree meter and a box of strips.
I’d rather take your advice as you all are in the similar situation and living daily with the illness.
I am rather shocked st the price of the strips 100 won’t last long and at £15 a box and they are one of the cheapest. Can I get these on prescription?
I do appreciate all your help and advice. Thank you all so very much.
Wilber 123.
 

Bluetit1802

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Many thanks to you all.
Iv just gone online and purchased a Codefree meter and a box of strips.
I’d rather take your advice as you all are in the similar situation and living daily with the illness.
I am rather shocked st the price of the strips 100 won’t last long and at £15 a box and they are one of the cheapest. Can I get these on prescription?
I do appreciate all your help and advice. Thank you all so very much.
Wilber 123.

Well done!! Did you check the box about being diabetic to get VAT relief, and did you use the discount codes?

If the price of these shocked you, you should see what other meter strips cost!! The Accu Chek that I use costs £25 to £30 for 50. I shamefully buy mine on eBay at less than half that retail price.

No, you won't get them on prescription.

When your meter arrives and you have set it up, let us know and we will help you use it to your best advantage. You will also need some sort of food diary. I use an Excel spread sheet for all my recording.
 
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Hi @Wilber123 great that you have bought a Bg meter. It will help you sort some of your meals and can also give you a boost when you get good results. If you want to loose weight why don't you give Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) a go? A lot of diabetics us it as its low on carbs. There is a thread on the forum for Low Carb Diet, also a thread "What have you eaten today" for some meal ideas. I started LCHF on 30th April this year. I do 18/6 fasting no food after 20.00 till 14.00 next day, with just black tea, coffee, water or vitamin water as needed during fast I also have less than 15 - 20% carbs a day. First month I lost 8.4kg and got Bg down from 16.6 to 7.0 and feel great. I only test Bg twice a day now after 12hr fast again after 18 hrs. Now that I know what foods to steer clear off I don't test before and after meals. It would be a good idea if you kept a food diary if you start LCHF to help you with what foods to stay clear of via your Bg readings. Don't worry about asking questions that's what we are here for to help best we can. We are not medical practitioners but we are diabetics and know what you are going through. Good luck with what ever path you take :)
 
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Wilber123

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Thank you all So kind.
I didn’t use the codes I forgot. Maybe next time.
I don’t need to lose weigh as I 8 stone 8 lb. GP said I’m ok. But have been doing Slimming World to lose a few lbs but for the health benefits.
It appears that there are not health benefits to this diet just rising bg
 
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Thank you all So kind.
I didn’t use the codes I forgot. Maybe next time.
I don’t need to lose weigh as I 8 stone 8 lb. GP said I’m ok. But have been doing Slimming World to lose a few lbs but for the health benefits.
It appears that there are not health benefits to this diet just rising bg
If you can cut a few carbs and reduce sugar it will help your Bg numbers. :)
 

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Thank you all So kind.
I didn’t use the codes I forgot. Maybe next time.
I don’t need to lose weigh as I 8 stone 8 lb. GP said I’m ok. But have been doing Slimming World to lose a few lbs but for the health benefits.
It appears that there are not health benefits to this diet just rising bg
Unfortunately the low fat choices Slimming World promote are very high in sugar and other carbs, even the milk. They do love their Muller Light yogurts, and say you can eat unlimited amounts, but at 14g sugar per pot, they are catastrophic for diabetics - and don’t fill you up or keep,you satisfied like the same weight of a full fat Greek yogurt would. Under their plan, an avocado is worse than a can of Strongbow!
 

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My Dsd and his siblings were mainly T1 but a few were T2

My daily diet on Slimming World consists
250mls s/s milk
Egg bacon tomatoes / breakfast or porridge or fruit and a Fat free yogurt.
Lunch mainly veg or salad with either chicken / fish or some type of protein.
Dinner
Meat of some type
5% mince beef or lamp fish pork
With a few new pots and stacks of green veg or carrots etc.
I don’t eat cake or crisp chocolates or rubbish.
Sorry guys I’m new to the forum I do very much appreciate all of your help.
Just spoke to GP, he said not to buy a meter. Not. Yes what to do.
Thank you all.
The milk contains lactose, porridge is high carb, and unless the fruit is berries other than blueberries, or a lower fructose containing fruit, that will not be a good choice - the fat free yogurt will most likely have added carb, a few new pots - those would be potatoes - high in carb, carrots, as a below ground vege are also high in carb.
I suggest making an inventory of the carbs you eat - you might be surprised at how they add up.
 
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What I don’t understand is why? has my blood glucose risen and Iv been filling Slimming World without cheating. I can’t lose any weigh in the past 5 months Iv struggled to lose 3lb.

Just wanted to say hi and welcome to the forum from another with prediabetes. There is so much good advice on this thread already.

Just wanted to add that you might find it harder to lose weight due to insulin resistance that many pred's and type 2 have. Some of us do find success reducing carbohydrates not only helping with blood sugar levels but also has the great side effect of weight loss.

Have a good look around the forum and please ask any questions you may have. Although upsetting, it is great that you have been caught early. I'm sure you can turn it around.
 

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Welcome to the forum and good on you for getting a meter, it's a necessary tool in managing diabetes. It's a good idea to keep a food diary and to test before eating and two hours afterwards to gauge what effect the food you are consuming is having on your blood sugar.
 

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To help you not waste strips of you test your bloods first thing in the morning then just before a meal and 2 hours after that will give you a picture of how the food you are eating is affecting your bgs then you can adjust your diet
Carol