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John West fish products

Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by Oldvatr, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Had a small tin of JW sild in tomato sauce, and my BGL jumped 5 mmol/l. What do they put in it?

    Looking at the nutritional info it would appear to be low carb. In fact, if you add up the 3 macros of fat, protein, and carb as declared on the website it only adds up to 31.3% of what's in the tin. What is the rest, and why is it spiking me?

    https://www.john-west.co.uk/products/sild-in-tomato-sauce/
     
  2. Hotpepper20000

    Hotpepper20000 · Well-Known Member

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    I would guess it’s the maize starch.
    I have found anything with that in it spikes my BG even if it is a small amount.
     
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  3. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Yup cornstarch is 91% carb. Does not seem to be a declared nutrition item except in the ingredients. Very misleading innit?

    Fell into this trap with sliced cheeses where they coat each slice with cornstarch to prevent them from sticking to each other. I go for brands that use a plastic flysheet instead, which is not so eco-friendly. Fish fingers also surprised me with a similar unlisted ingredient in the coatings.
     
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    Hotpepper20000 · Well-Known Member

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    Sure is. The longer I’m on this Journey the more skeptical I’ve become when it comes to ingredient lists.
    To bad really because I bet it tasted good.
     
  5. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    The pilchards in tom sauce are a safer bet it seems. It is not such an umami moment though, but now I know where that umami comes from.

    Time to feed the cat.
     
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    Hotpepper20000 · Well-Known Member

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    My cats wouldn’t touch it.
     
  7. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Snap/ Mine thinks I have hidden a worm pill in it too.
     
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    EllieM Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Lucky cat. Though they are obligate carnivores, so maybe won't like the carbs either?
     
  9. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    She is an ex vegan. Nowadays will happily fight me for the mackerel skins from the food recycling, and demands a carnivore input at least twice a day. She likes mice too even into old age (20 human years) and still able to jump up onto laps. Only bics (carbs) she will show interest in are Dreamies and pockets. Not too keen on curry, but peri-peri is on her menu
     
  10. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Deffo a starch spike. My 4hr PP is back at 5.3 mmol/l
     
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    Goonergal Type 2 · Moderator
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    Wonder what is in the tomato paste listed in the ingredients? Perhaps some sugar which accounts for the macros not adding up? The combo of tomatoes, sugar and maize starch would likely spike me too.
     
  12. In Response

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    I go for brands that come in a lump and cut my own. Far better on the environment and my tastebuds.
    As it takes seconds to cut cheese, it does not impact my diary much.
    Alternatively, I could grate and the cheese becomes even more versatile.
     
  13. Redshank

    Redshank Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I think you are right about the Maize starch, and the sugar having the impacton your blood
    Carbs/Fat/Protein won't add up to 100% because of the amount of water in the product. It is second on the ingredient list, and there will also be a lot of natural water in the fish
     
  14. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    So that remaining 69% of the product is water? Could be, but that prices water as being higher than gasoline.
     
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    Redshank Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    The human body is 60 -70% water, so the body of a fish will also be high in water.
    You may be right about the gasoline:)
     
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    Interesting.
    I wouldn't have bothered testing based on that nutritional info, now I will have to methinks.

    You didn't have it on toast now did you?:angelic:
     
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  17. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Update. Tonight I had 2 mackerel fillets in peri peri coating, 3 snookerball sized potatoes, and a fistfull of french beans, and another of sweetcorn.
    My PRE/2hr/4hr readings were 5.3 / 5.6 / 5.9 giving a meal average of 5.6 mmol/l

    A previous tin of pilchards in tomato (different supplier) on 2 slices of toast came in at 5.9 / 4.7 / 6.3 average 5.6 mmol/l

    The meal average for the sild meal was 8.1 which is the highest by far since Xmas Day meal with Xmas Pud which turned in at 9.6 after cheese and crackers.

    My medication is the same for all 3
     
  18. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Needs a Babel Fish.
     
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    Just eat the ones that come in oil.
     
  20. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    YUK. And add my own tomato ketchup? Defeats the object really. If the other lot can do tasty pilchards in tomato that does not spike me, then I think that is a workable solution. Sorry JW, you lose a customer.
     
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