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Lchf negative comments

Hi vxrich. Is that guy a diabetic or is he a non diabetic? It really changes your perspective on carbs if you're a diabetic.
 
If someone doesn't buy into LCHF diet, then the important thing is, and this is important, we shouldn't care.

It might work for him, it might not. Do the short term benefits might outweigh the longterm threats or vice versa? I'm not here to convince anyone else. I just want to learn.

At some point, I think these conversations sometimes go from sharing thoughts and education to point-proving and debating.

#HotAir
 
I'm happy for the nay sayers to exist. I am happy for them to hold their opinions, although they are often mis-informed.

What annoys me is when they think that LCHF doesn't work for me, and for all the other people who thrive on it, reap the benefits and are sooooo much better on it than on other ways of eating.

I don't want to convert the world to LCHF (there wouldn't be enough cream and butter to go around), but I do resent people telling me that I ought to do it their way. If their way worked for me, then I would have stuck with it when I tried it, felt dreadful and moved on - way back before I found LCHF.
 
Ultimately it's what works for you - and for the naysayers? Well, they need to try it!
 
Brunneria said:
How else does he think we deal with excess protein, if we go a little over our daily requirement? It is broken down and recycled so nothing is wasted. Happens every day. Unless we eat too little protein...
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That’s the only argument he has, but you raise an excellent point with your last sentence.

The average person on this forum can survive without carbohydrates in their diet. However, people like me with very high activity levels need either a moderate carb intake or a high protein intake to replenish our glycogen reserves (and without our own muscle breaking down).

Consequently, most people on this forum have success with LCHF diets. However, someone like me needs a LCHFHP (Low Carb/High Fat/High Protein) approach or a MCHFMP (Moderate Carb/High Fat/Moderate Protein) in order to replenish their glycogen.

This is an excellent article that addresses a number of different topics we discuss on this form:

“How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need?”

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/how-many-carbohydrates-do-you-need.html/


The carbohydrate table perfectly explains my situation and why I can eat as much as 250g of protein/day yet remain in ketosis.

The article discusses the relationship between LCHF diets and people with insulin resistance, but also why a LCHF diet may not work well for someone without insulin resistance.

That article alludes to a second article titled “Insulin Sensitivity and Fat Loss” which I think is also an excellent read for most members on this forum:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/insulin-sensitivity-and-fat-loss.html/


Bottom line: the guy you conversed with has a point. However, he’s not able to accurately convey it. Some people with higher activity levels need carbohydrates in their diet, OR they can be substituted by as excessive protein intake.

How that’s relevant to us as diabetics (I’m only discussing T1 and T2 based on my knowledge level):

T2/Low Exercise- A LCHF diet often works great, but excessive protein consumption should probably be avoided as it eventually converts into glucose (which wouldn’t be used based on low activity levels)

T2/High Exercise- A LCHF diet often works great, but protein consumption may need to be increased to avoid muscle breakdown.

T1- An LCHF often diet works great, but for different reasons. High glycemic index carbohydrates can make it difficult to manage insulin doses. Substituting those High GI carbs for low GI carbs and/or excessive protein can have the same effect in replacing glycogen stores, but without the high blood sugar volatility.
 
@uart no he's not diabetic. He has a blog all about quality carbs and why we need them (or not as the case may be!) Strange thing is its a closed group on Facebook and the guy that runs it is a massive promoter of lchf! So I'm not sure how this guy is still aloud to post on there?
@TorqPenderloin I'm also very active and consume 90-120g per day. From what you are saying it seems that I need lots more and from experience that knocks me right out of ketosis?
 
vxrich said:
@uart no he's not diabetic. He has a blog all about quality carbs and why we need them (or not as the case may be!) Strange thing is its a closed group on Facebook and the guy that runs it is a massive promoter of lchf! So I'm not sure how this guy is still aloud to post on there?
@TorqPenderloin I'm also very active and consume 90-120g per day. From what you are saying it seems that I need lots more and from experience that knocks me right out of ketosis?
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Maybe he doesn't simply ban anyone that disagrees with him?
Is it a very strict low carb facebook group?
 
vxrich said:
@uart no he's not diabetic. He has a blog all about quality carbs and why we need them (or not as the case may be!) Strange thing is its a closed group on Facebook and the guy that runs it is a massive promoter of lchf! So I'm not sure how this guy is still aloud to post on there?
@TorqPenderloin I'm also very active and consume 90-120g per day. From what you are saying it seems that I need lots more and from experience that knocks me right out of ketosis?
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I should have clarified, I'm specifically talking about high-intensity exercise when glycogen is needed as the primary fuel. I didn't mean to suggest that running or biking wasn't a high-level exercise.

There are plenty of people who have run ultra-marathons while low-carbing. However, that's not a high-intensity exercise. It's high endurance. Our bodies can only store so much glycogen anyways (max seems to be around 2000 calories) which is why it wouldn't do you much good to carb load before a marathon (you'd deplete your glycogen storage about halfway through the race).

Weight lifting (or at least the kind I do) involves short bursts of maximum physical effort. That's the sort of situation where glycogen is most valuable.
 
It's called Optimising nutrition, managing insulin. Don't get me wrong I don't think people should be banned because their opinions differ. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same!
 
@TorqPenderloin I really should learn to read replies! Totally agree... Long runs in a low hr zone I can go all day but as soon as I open the taps I tire relatively quickly. But it's all about long and steady for me. In fact I've Ben reading a couple of books: Low carb athlete and What the fat. Very interesting reads
 
MellitusTrap said:
If someone doesn't buy into LCHF diet, then the important thing is, and this is important, we shouldn't care.

It might work for him, it might not. Do the short term benefits might outweigh the longterm threats or vice versa? I'm not here to convince anyone else. I just want to learn.

At some point, I think these conversations sometimes go from sharing thoughts and education to point-proving and debating.

#HotAir
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Agreed. It's about what works for you... whether it's low fat, low carb, low calorie, or anything else - everyone is individual - the breadth of what works and for whom is really something :)
 
The nub of the discussion is very well described as the Krebs cycle or Citric cycle, for anyone who wants to research the fundamentals working in the use, storage, and transport of the blood glucose in the mitochondria (i.e. our cells and muscles). It shows that energy and glucogen is exchanged not just by carbs, but also from fat, protein, or even cholesterol, It can all be used in our bodies. At the end of the day(sic) the decisionto go LCHF or whatever js my choice, and my risk. I decide what goes into my body within my financial constraints, and I am a big boy now (but getting smaller) and well over the age of consent. I don't give a tuppenny whatsit what this guy thinks - he has no control over me, and I do not need his approval. End of....
 
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Hi vxrich, its obvious from this thread that you disagree with this guys blog and what he says so why on earth do you keep going back there and arguing with him?

I just dont understand.
 
I'm sorry @Sid Bonkers I don't see your point? Firstly I don't see it as an argument, just a discussion. He actually replied to a post that I started, he's asked questions and I've replied? What's wrong with that? He's pretty much telling me that lchf doesn't work and it's impossible to replenish glycogen stores without carbs etc etc etc. With my limited knowledge of lchf even I know what he's saying is false, and if it's false info surely he needs to know as do people who come across the post
 
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