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This one could be interesting for everyone... especially the statement that

"recent pharmacological/biochemical studies, as summarized in this review and elsewhere, have revealed that atherosclerosis is caused by statins taken to lower LDL-C, as well as by warfarin and some types of vegetable fats and oils,"

https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/486374
 
bulkbiker said:
This one could be interesting for everyone... especially the statement that

"recent pharmacological/biochemical studies, as summarized in this review and elsewhere, have revealed that atherosclerosis is caused by statins taken to lower LDL-C, as well as by warfarin and some types of vegetable fats and oils,"

https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/486374
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Thanks for posting this. I would always refuse statins but have been pressurised to take warfarin again. I don't intend to do so and this article has given me some ammunition to back up my own reasoning.
 
zand said:
Thanks for posting this. I would always refuse statins but have been pressurised to take warfarin again. I don't intend to do so and this article has given me some ammunition to back up my own reasoning.
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Hi Zand,
I now take a novel anticoagulant, unlike warfarin and statins they are not vitamin k antagonists and at least one is at present being studied regarding comparison calcification of the arteries with warfarin.
I take 110mg ( the lower dose) Dabigatran twice per day for Afib.
regards
Derek
 
lindisfel said:
Hi Zand,
I now take a novel anticoagulant, unlike warfarin and statins they are not vitamin k antagonists and at least one is at present being studied regarding comparison calcification of the arteries with warfarin.
I take 110mg ( the lower dose) Dabigatran twice per day for Afib.
regards
Derek
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Thanks for the info. My GP wants me to take an anti-coagulant 'just in case' my atrial fibrillation comes back again. It has come back again a few times and I have found that a dose or 2 of magnesium is all it takes for me to put it back into sinus rhythm again. I am making a note of the info you have given in case I need it in the future. Interestingly, this is the GP who removed a non malignant lump from my side a couple of years ago. I asked him not to use the anaesthetic with adrenalin in, because I know that adrenalin sends my heart into AFib. He sneered and send it wouldn't because it was only a small dose. It did! It was the worst Afib episode I have had since my op over 5 years ago. It took me 3 days to get my heart back into proper rhythm again.
 
bulkbiker said:
This one could be interesting for everyone... especially the statement that

"recent pharmacological/biochemical studies, as summarized in this review and elsewhere, have revealed that atherosclerosis is caused by statins taken to lower LDL-C, as well as by warfarin and some types of vegetable fats and oils,"

https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/486374
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That is a great study.
And the final comments are pretty damning.

Re statin use and the increased risks of T2, they actually say
Informed consent that includes the adverse effects of statins described above does not appear to be provided adequately, at least in Japan. This is happening even with the Hippocratic Oath including a phrase akin to “First, do no harm.”
 
Hi Zand,
Low potassium is a recognised cause of Afib. Have you had your U&E's done recently?
In certain sensitive individuals too much sodium robs the body of potassium.
My Afib is permanent but I would have a very slow irregular heart beat if I didn't have a pacemaker.
regards
Derek

zand said:
Thanks for the info. My GP wants me to take an anti-coagulant 'just in case' my atrial fibrillation comes back again. It has come back again a few times and I have found that a dose or 2 of magnesium is all it takes for me to put it back into sinus rhythm again. I am making a note of the info you have given in case I need it in the future. Interestingly, this is the GP who removed a non malignant lump from my side a couple of years ago. I asked him not to use the anaesthetic with adrenalin in, because I know that adrenalin sends my heart into AFib. He sneered and send it wouldn't because it was only a small dose. It did! It was the worst Afib episode I have had since my op over 5 years ago. It took me 3 days to get my heart back into proper rhythm again.
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Tannith said:
Was it taken off in some sort of disciplinary and then put back? If so by whom and why?
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I was not aware of this presentation ever having been removed at all.
 
Tannith said:
Was it taken off in some sort of disciplinary and then put back? If so by whom and why?
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When it was first released there were 3 or 4 versions on youtube which was when I first noticed it. Within 48 hours they had all been removed. It re-appeared a few days later but only from one source and now the one I linked to as the most recent and only version I could find. There was much made of the disappearance at the time but I doubt we will ever know the full story. It may have had something to do with the PURE study not having been published when the video first came out or it may have been for a darker reason. It certainly doesn't help the case for statins..... I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
 
bulkbiker said:
When it was first released there were 3 or 4 versions on youtube which was when I first noticed it. Within 48 hours they had all been removed. It re-appeared a few days later but only from one source and now the one I linked to as the most recent and only version I could find. There was much made of the disappearance at the time but I doubt we will ever know the full story. It may have had something to do with the PURE study not having been published when the video first came out or it may have been for a darker reason. It certainly doesn't help the case for statins..... I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
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It takes a lot to have YouTube take down a video but the threat of infringement of copyright will do it every time, litigation dontcha know.
 
Guzzler said:
It takes a lot to have YouTube take down a video but the threat of infringement of copyright will do it every time, litigation dontcha know.
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could well be... but I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man....
 
bulkbiker said:
could well be... but I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man....
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I plan to start a conspiracy theory that aliens are in charge of Big Pharma because as everyone knows, aliens are allergic to cholesterol and sat fat is toxic to them so they want us all to....
 
bulkbiker said:
could well be... but I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man....
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Guzzler said:
plan to start a conspiracy theory that aliens are in charge of Big Pharma because as everyone knows, aliens are allergic to cholesterol and sat fat is toxic to them so they want us all to....
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A friend of mine owns a tin mine, he sells triple strength anti conspiracy theory tin foil hats to keep you all safe from the nasty people. :D
 
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