Living Well Taking Control

rolypolypudding

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Hello everyone
I have been diagnosed as pre diabetic by my GP and invited to join the above NHS programme. Allegedly it has been successful in tther areas of the country in terms of type 2 diabetes prevention.
Has anyone [or knows of anyone] been on it and what did they think about it?
 

Salvia

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Hello @rolypolypudding and welcome. A quick look at your profile says you've been a member since Dec 2015, but as this is your first post, I guess you've been enjoying life as a "lurker" - I do that quite a lot myself, good fun, isn't it :)
Whereabout are you? I ask because I haven't heard of the course, and haven't been invited to one by my gp. One can only hope those presenting it are open-minded and cover a range of options, which (according to comments from people here) isn't always true of other diabetes-management courses. If there's no-one who has attended, perhaps go along and report back if it's any good or not.

I think the 10-week low carb course offered by this site is pretty good, and could easily rival what the NHS has to offer to help prevent diabetes transition to type 2, or to help those with type 2 to manage their condition.
 
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Energize

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Hi @rolypolypudding and welcome to the forum :)

You'll get a lot of good advice and plenty of support on here. I've 'Google'd' "Living Well Taking Control" and the search has returned a lot of links. I've had a quick look at one or two but haven't read them through. Here's the link for the Google search:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="...ing+Well+Taking+Control"+diabetes+course+uk&*

I've not heard of this project and would be interested as to what they 'teach' you regarding diet. As you maybe already know, the NHS professionals still tell diabetics that they MUST eat carbs! Carbs, including sugar, fruit, wheat etc, all gets converted into glucose once in your body so many diabetics on here prefer to avoid carbs, much to the annoyance of the NHS professionals ;)

Another thing is that, if you want to have control, you can buy a glucometer and, in that way, you can test to see how your body copes with different carbs and foods etc. Again, NHS professionals tend to tel Type 2s not to test but, if we don't test, we can't be in control. ;) So, please bear these two important factors in mind ;)

I'm tagging @daisy1 for her to post some very useful information regarding Diabetes for you

I'll be interested to hear more about this project. Good luck on your journey ;)
 

daisy1

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@rolypolypudding

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope this will be useful to you. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

rolypolypudding

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Hello @rolypolypudding and welcome. A quick look at your profile says you've been a member since Dec 2015, but as this is your first post, I guess you've been enjoying life as a "lurker" - I do that quite a lot myself, good fun, isn't it :)
Whereabout are you? I ask because I haven't heard of the course, and haven't been invited to one by my gp. One can only hope those presenting it are open-minded and cover a range of options, which (according to comments from people here) isn't always true of other diabetes-management courses. If there's no-one who has attended, perhaps go along and report back if it's any good or not.

I think the 10-week low carb course offered by this site is pretty good, and could easily rival what the NHS has to offer to help prevent diabetes transition to type 2, or to help those with type 2 to manage their condition.
 

rolypolypudding

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Thanks for your response Salvia
I live in Bury, Greater Manchester. The Living Well programme is operating in some areas in the UK but not available nationally as yet. So far, evaluation says it is proving to be successful in helping to prevent onset of diabetes. You get a group session every week for 7 weeks, then individual support for up to 12 months afterwards. I'm due to have an initial appointment next week where I sign the paperwork and get to ask any questions I have.
You're right, I have been 'lurking' for awhile because I've been putting off doing anything about my prediabetic status. I gave up smoking last year and that was hard enough without taking on the weight issue. Now I know I've got to do something but am not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for the low carb diet. I have a hearty appetite but am fussy about the quality of the food I eat. There are certain foods I will not touch and suspect they all fall into the category of 'good for you'.
I'll see what Living Well has to offer and report back to the forum in case anybody else is considering it.
 
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Jamesuk9

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If it offers the eatwell plate, you can rest assured it is anything but healthy and good for you....

That said, it depends how bad your diet was at the outset.

For many, the eatwell plate is what got them into this situation.
 

Salvia

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Thanks for your response Salvia
I live in Bury, Greater Manchester. The Living Well programme is operating in some areas in the UK but not available nationally as yet. So far, evaluation says it is proving to be successful in helping to prevent onset of diabetes. You get a group session every week for 7 weeks, then individual support for up to 12 months afterwards. I'm due to have an initial appointment next week where I sign the paperwork and get to ask any questions I have.
You're right, I have been 'lurking' for awhile because I've been putting off doing anything about my prediabetic status. I gave up smoking last year and that was hard enough without taking on the weight issue. Now I know I've got to do something but am not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for the low carb diet. I have a hearty appetite but am fussy about the quality of the food I eat. There are certain foods I will not touch and suspect they all fall into the category of 'good for you'.
I'll see what Living Well has to offer and report back to the forum in case anybody else is considering it.


Thanks for the info, rolypolypudding; a useful summary. I can see that it makes sense for the programme to run in a few selected places first, to iron out any issues before it is extended nation-wide. I'd be interested to hear how things go for you, and whether it gives you any pointers for dealing with your particular food issues.

Though you say you're not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for low carb diet, it's really not that different from 'normal' eating - you just leave out all the obvious starchy stuff. I won't go into it here, you've probably seen it around the site before now. I will just say that I believe there is a whole wealth of really gorgeous food that low carbers can and do eat, and that quality is generally more important than quantity. Plus, of course, there are many 'specialist'-type eaters who follow lchf - vegetarians, vegans, coeliac, gluten-intolerance, nut allergy, pescetarians, &etc. Anyway, see how you go with the course; it may change your mind. :)
 

Resurgam

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Eating low carb foods has normalised my blood test numbers even though I was a full on diabetic. I much prefer the foods I can have to those I can't.
 
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rolypolypudding

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My downfall is that I am very fond of carbs in general so my consumption probably exceeds what the Eatwell plate recommends.I don't think there is any one type of carb that I don't like. A couple of years back my diet got so protein starved that I was diagnosed with Vitamin B12 deficiency despite not being vegan or veggie. I've corrected that now but still have a real sweet tooth.
I am prone to food obsessions which can go on for weeks at a time before I tire of it and turn to something else. This got worse after I stopped smoking. It doesn't help that I rarely if ever feel full after eating. I don't seem to have the inbuilt Stop mechanism in my head that tells me my appetite has been satisfied.
I'll see what Living Well suggest.
But like most people, I find entrenched habits difficult to overcome.
 

rolypolypudding

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Yes I've heard very positive reports about the low carb diet. Can't see myself adopting anything as extreme as the Atkins Diet though.
 

Resurgam

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Extreme?
Extremely delicious, yes and the more you stick to less sweetness the more sensitive your taste becomes. Do have a look at Atkins, the proper version as written by Dr A such as New diet revolution rather than something more modern and altered to be more acceptable to health care professionals.
 

Potteron

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My downfall is that I am very fond of carbs in general so my consumption probably exceeds what the Eatwell plate recommends.I don't think there is any one type of carb that I don't like. A couple of years back my diet got so protein starved that I was diagnosed with Vitamin B12 deficiency despite not being vegan or veggie. I've corrected that now but still have a real sweet tooth.
I am prone to food obsessions which can go on for weeks at a time before I tire of it and turn to something else. This got worse after I stopped smoking. It doesn't help that I rarely if ever feel full after eating. I don't seem to have the inbuilt Stop mechanism in my head that tells me my appetite has been satisfied.
I'll see what Living Well suggest.
But like most people, I find entrenched habits difficult to overcome.

I'd spent most of my life being constantly hungry whilst following all the healthy diet advice. Started LCHF 2 yrs ago (after diabetes diagnosed) and discovered the joys of fat . Oh the freedom from hunger !!! Also lost 2st and resolved?? my diabetes.
 
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rolypolypudding

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Thanks for the info, rolypolypudding; a useful summary. I can see that it makes sense for the programme to run in a few selected places first, to iron out any issues before it is extended nation-wide. I'd be interested to hear how things go for you, and whether it gives you any pointers for dealing with your particular food issues.

Though you say you're not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for low carb diet, it's really not that different from 'normal' eating - you just leave out all the obvious starchy stuff. I won't go into it here, you've probably seen it around the site before now. I will just say that I believe there is a whole wealth of really gorgeous food that low carbers can and do eat, and that quality is generally more important than quantity. Plus, of course, there are many 'specialist'-type eaters who follow lchf - vegetarians, vegans, coeliac, gluten-intolerance, nut allergy, pescetarians, &etc. Anyway, see how you go with the course; it may change your mind. :)
 

rolypolypudding

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I started the diabetes prevention course in July. What a disappointment! The group leader is not even a dietitian, she was a shop assistant in a pharmacy before she took some 'new agey' type courses and then was trained up to deliver this course - which a monkey could deliever, it is so basic and doesn't tell me anything I've not heard before. Sure enough they trotted out the Eatwell plate which is ok for people who are not pre-diabetic and who are totally ignorant about food. It's run like slimming clubs [which I tried and hated] with a weekly weigh-in which I find demeaning. I'm bored stiff with all the talk about food, and we are left to sit twiddling our thumbs whilst everyone is waiting to be weighed. The final straw came when she told us we should be eating reduced fat margarine, cheese and skimmed milk. Yuck and double yuck. Wouldn't touch them with a bargepole, they are disgusting and full of additives.
She had no answer for me when I asked her how come my sugar levels had never budged when I lost over 2 stone in weight and equally never increased when I went on a prolonged sugar and carb binge. No mention of how to monitor our own sugar levels and advice on how to get started.
The company who has got the contract to deliver this course is called Living well taking control. As usual, government bureaucrats who know sweet FA are giving shedloads of public money away to what is basically money for old rope. It seems to have been adapted from an American health initiative, and anything American is rubbish. It's from a nation that was stupid enough to vote Donald Trump into power, and has the worst healthcare system in the developed world.
Rant now over - but I thought that if anyone else is recommended to go on this course, they should be warned.
In the meantime I will be feeding all this back to my GP surgery and to my local MP.
 

Salvia

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Thanks very much for the feedback @rolypolypudding; isn't it such a pity that a great opportunity has been wasted.
I hope that in the interim since you last posted, you have managed to find a way of eating that is satisfying for you, and that suits your needs. (so that this course won't be such a long-term disappointment!)

:)
 
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AM1874

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Hi @rolypolypudding .. and welcome
You really should consider LCHF .. particularly on the basis that it is a lifestyle - NOT a diet. I see that
@ daisy1 has already been in touch with you and, like others above, I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that she has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Unless you are prescribed a test meter and strips by your doctor (unlikely), it is a top priority that get yourself one and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £38.45
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £76.90
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps