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Jen100

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i was told I have type 2 diabetes just before Christmas I'm struggling with loosing weight and finding what to eat and what to do to lose weight a struggle I stopped eating high sugger foods and salt, I walk quite regular but don't know what to do for more exercise I'm to embarrassed to go to a gym or public pool as last time I went to the gym a girl told me she was surprised I didn't break the treadmill I was so fat and when I went to the pool I was told I resembled a beached wale when I got out I don't have the confidence to go to places with a lot of people there. i realy don't know what to do I'm feeling very low about everything and realy don't know what to do ?
 
Hi and welcome. Doesn't sound like a very friendly gym. The people at my gym wouldn't dream of making comments like that. As you will read around the forum, you need to have a low-carb diet; that means all carbs and not just sugar. Don't worry about salt as it has nothing to do with diabetes. Set yourself a daily carb limit of, perhaps 150gm and use the meter to guide you. If you haven't already got a meter do get hold of one as it is essential. When low-carbing don't worry too much about fat or protein as these help you to feel full.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum,

You are in the right place for help and support.

People can be so cruel, but please ignore these bullies as much as you can. You don't need to go to the gym or swimming pool to exercise. You can get just as much benefit from a nice walk, 20 or 30 minutes every day, longer if you can. You can also exercise at home - housework counts! You can put some music on and have a dance round your living room for 10 minutes or walk up and down the stairs 10 times. This all counts.

As far as eating is concerned, it isn't just sugar. Carbs are equally important because they all convert to glucose once inside the system, and too much glucose is just what we do not want. The main culprits are bread, spuds, rice, pasta, flour. We also need to be careful with fruit and milk. Cutting these carbs will keep your blood sugars under control and you will lose weight. You can eat any meat, any fish, lots of eggs, salad, most but not all vegetables, unsweetened yogurts, cheese, butter, olive oil, tomatoes, mushrooms, and even bacon and egg fry ups. Providing you cut the carbs, the dairy fats and oils won't make you gain weight. I promise you. It is important to use portion control if you are a big eater - smaller meals, smaller plates, less snacks.

Please have a good read round the forums and come back with any questions you like.
 
I live in the country and I'm walking with my dog as often as possible the nurse never mentioned carbs, I started dieting a while ago but lost weight very slowly as weather has been very rough where I live and made my walks not so safe :( I'm currently eating plain porridge with a banana sliced on top or a pear and 2 slices of wholemeal bread with bertoli butter and my tea for breakfast a filled wholemeal nan bread or wrap or sandwich for lunch and a no sugar or salt main meal for dinner and iv reduced my portions by halve and marked my plate over halve is just veg small portion of meat, thank you for your replys I just feel lost in everything ?
 
Hi and welcome. Doesn't sound like a very friendly gym. The people at my gym wouldn't dream of making comments like that. As you will read around the forum, you need to have a low-carb diet; that means all carbs and not just sugar. Don't worry about salt as it has nothing to do with diabetes. Set yourself a daily carb limit of, perhaps 150gm and use the meter to guide you. If you haven't already got a meter do get hold of one as it is essential. When low-carbing don't worry too much about fat or protein as these help you to feel full.
what is 150gm and where would I get a meter ? thank you
 
Read bluetit's comments above but bananas are not good and the bread is not helping either.

Mike
 
If you have a read around the forum and search for dietary advice or maybe @Brunneria can give you some links to look at. You will discover about the benefits of low carb.
@daisy1 should be along to give a lot more info
Welcome to this wonderful helpful forum.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum,

You are in the right place for help and support.

People can be so cruel, but please ignore these bullies as much as you can. You don't need to go to the gym or swimming pool to exercise. You can get just as much benefit from a nice walk, 20 or 30 minutes every day, longer if you can. You can also exercise at home - housework counts! You can put some music on and have a dance round your living room for 10 minutes or walk up and down the stairs 10 times. This all counts.

As far as eating is concerned, it isn't just sugar. Carbs are equally important because they all convert to glucose once inside the system, and too much glucose is just what we do not want. The main culprits are bread, spuds, rice, pasta, flour. We also need to be careful with fruit and milk. Cutting these carbs will keep your blood sugars under control and you will lose weight. You can eat any meat, any fish, lots of eggs, salad, most but not all vegetables, unsweetened yogurts, cheese, butter, olive oil, tomatoes, mushrooms, and even bacon and egg fry ups. Providing you cut the carbs, the dairy fats and oils won't make you gain weight. I promise you. It is important to use portion control if you are a big eater - smaller meals, smaller plates, less snacks.

Please have a good read round the forums and come back with any questions you like.
what veg should I avoid and should I avoid fruits then I have no idea "lost" it's so confusing? what would be better for breakfast ?
 
Welcome Jen and take advice re carbs and exercise and things will get better.
 
Kale, cabbage, lettuce, spinach and any leafy greens are great. Mushrooms, zucchinis also excellent. Yes, avoid most fruits as they're straight sugars. Most berries are fine. Breakfast ... bacon and eggs are good for you. There's a thread devoted to this stuff titled "what have you eaten today" which is full of great ideas

Mike
 
Absolutely shocked to hear what that vile person said to you! Wasn't aware those kind of people existed! You'll find the majority of people at gyms are helpful likeminded and supportive. :)

You just need to find a type of exercise that you like, once you get into it it'll be addictive and I'm sure you'll be doing it for fun anyway! Walking the dog will be perfect for supplementary exercise.

When it comes to gaining and losing weight, it's ultimately down to your caloric intake. Putting it simply, go over your caloric intake you gain weight, stay below, you lose weight.

To find out only roughly what your required caloric requirements are you should calculate your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The amount of calories you need to consume to maintain your body if you were comatose (base level). Try this one :) -> http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator

Once you have that you want to try and stay around that level or below by keeping check of food labels and keeping a diary - if you've got a smartphone, download the myfitnesspal app- you can just scan barcodes of things you've eaten and add it to a diary which keeps you nutrition updated each day and monitor your goals.. Otherwise keep a written diary if you can, I know it's a bother but well worth it!

As a type 2 you can use a low carb diet as people have mentioned above. The type of carbs you eat could be very important, all carbs are eventually broken down to glucose in its most simple form. So i'd suggest:

Eat brown pasta/rice/bread: Takes a while sometimes to get used to taste I know and can be longer to cook- but these carbs have higher fibre content and the sugar is released slower, so it will curb your hunger cravings more and you'll feel full longer. A lot of the processed carbs are starchy which signals the body to store more fat.
Foods with low GI (glycaemic index) will help your blood sugar levels stay more even and metabolise fat more efficiently! To put this into a real life scenario- I highly recommend sweet potatoes over white potatoes. They taste 100000 times better and make gorgeous chips or roast potatoes!

If like me you love chocolate, go for dark chocolate- it's low GI and has a much nicer real chocolaty taste (only comparison I could make is like between a weak milky coffee and an espresso) much richer taste you can appreciate, plus has a good impact on serotonin (happy) levels. :)

Protein/Fats should be your friend on a low carb diet- fish is wonderful IMO and fish oil makes you feel great, great for your brain and body.

Conscientiously drink more water: Very important- get one of those big bottles and carry it around everywhere, it's easy to forget to drink sometimes. I like the sparkling waters or those sugar free fruit flavoured volvic waters for encouragement.

For exercise, I'm quite biased but I recommend you look into weight lifting and strength exercise on top of some kind of cardio. Having more lean muscle raises your metabolism so you'll lose weight quicker. If it's an option for you I'd seriously consider hiring a personal trainer, as most of them are absolutely perfect for guiding you through the exercise and giving you confidence to get the ball rolling.

Weight lifting has advantages, it's very fun once you get into it, you don't have to spend as long in the gym and it makes you feel and look great- male/female alike. Read about or find somewhere to learn to backsquat or deadlift, a personal trainer would be great for this. :)
For cardio everyone has their preference, but just be persistent and you'll feel confident in yourself- walking is great, continue that- set some goals, take doggie on longer walkies, then walk up some hills or go on treadmill with a steeper incline! Other options are cycling, swimming, skipping and running- with all of this make sure you're careful not to cause any injury (a personal trainer would be perfect for this but you could find out the information yourself with internet research.

Just for some input on what exercise could do for you diabetes, here's a graph from a single study suggesting what strength training with some cardio could do for the control of type 2s:*
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Hope that wasn't information overload! It's difficult to get the routine going I know, but once you get into it you'll feel amazing! Best of luck and post with how you get on even if it's small steps. :)

All the best

*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800839/
 
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Eat brown pasta/rice/bread:

With the greatest of respect, I wouldn't be offering that advice ..... pasta, rice and bread are (in MANY instances with T2s) off limits or at minimum, taken in VERY small doses. Same applies to potatoes, at least to some degree. The fruit smoothies suggestion (Get lots of all the nicest fruits you can think of) doesn't sit well with me either. They can cause enormous spikes. Yes, everyone is different and what might work for you could well work for others, but to the best of my knowledge (and research / information both here and elsewhere) I think it's back to the basics, get everything under control (by way of exercise and weight loss) and then experiment with food to what you can tolerate.

Mike
 
Eat brown pasta/rice/bread:

With the greatest of respect, I wouldn't be offering that advice ..... pasta, rice and bread are (in MANY instances with T2s) off limits or at minimum, taken in VERY small doses. Same applies to potatoes, at least to some degree. The fruit smoothies suggestion (Get lots of all the nicest fruits you can think of) doesn't sit well with me either. They can cause enormous spikes. Yes, everyone is different and what might work for you could well work for others, but to the best of my knowledge (and research / information both here and elsewhere) I think it's back to the basics, get everything under control (by way of exercise and weight loss) and then experiment with food to what you can tolerate.

Mike
My apologies Mike, was more suggesting replacement of high GI to low GI- whilst following recommended carb intake. You're right about the fruit bit too. I'll remove it, I shouldn't be giving that kind of advice, sorry mate i'll remove the post if it's counter productive or dangerous advice.
 
No worries at all Maxy.

Your advice on most of the things you mentioned were spot on (at least as far as I'm concerned) but with newbies (not generalising here) I try and strip it back to the bone. Many are lost, have no idea what to do / what to eat, don't have meters and just need someone to comfort and guide them. I love the slow and steady approach (unless remedial action is demanded beforehand) and though it's frustrating if you don't see feedback on their progress (or lack of it), for the most part many many people come back with questions. It's our obligation to help as I well remember the people who helped me. As I've said on so many occasions, one thing at a time. Talk to your GP, test your BS and set yourself a routine ...... and NEVER give up. You owe yourself and your loved ones that much.

Mike
 
@Jen100

Hi Jen and welcome to the forum :)

You have received some really good advice and suggestions from members. There are many ways of getting exercise as suggested above and you will find the one that suits you best, that you enjoy enough to do regularly. From the food side you need to reduce the carbohydrates in your diet and this advice will give you information on carbs as it's easier when you know more about it. This is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello and welcome, Jen.

I appreciate that you're feeling confused and lost. As everyone else has said, please now try to forget your experiences and look forward to what you can do positively.

In their haste to help, you've had lots of sometimes slightly conflicting advice from our members here.

It's all useful, but may be adding a bit to your confusion. I'd suggest you read Daisy's post just above and really take this on board. Understand this and you'll be on the way.

You need to be clear on aims of your diet and how to achieve those aims; Eg. a diet might be different if just about weight or if about blood glucose levels too.


Take time to understand the processes and then work out what's good for you (psychologically as well as physically. For instance I walk the dog everyday, but am aware that I may be "strolling" sometimes. I have to remind myself to push myself a bit.
I'd never go to a gym, but have some cheap weights which I quite enjoy using a bit. I climb stairs because I'm frightened of lifts!

Take it easy. Don't panic and enjoy the support of us all.
Thanks by the way, to e everyone who has posted above.

Sorry to go on. Please concentrate on Daisy's post just above and ask away with your questions.

"Bon courage" as the French say.

Jane.
 
I struggled with weight all my life. I bought into the lower calorie = weight loss. I had to go below 1800 a day on a low fat diet to see any weight loss. I couldn't sustain this starvation diet for long and all the weight I lost would come back. Then I discovered that carbs were making me fat. I cut way down on the carbs to control my blood sugar and now I eat 2500 to 2700 calories a day and am losing weight. My BMI went from 31 to 25 in about a year. Many people, like me, cannot handle carbs. Yet, all of us type 2 diabetics are advised to eat porridge and bananas and whole meal bread and loads of other high carb foods. So, perhaps try a low carb high fat diet and see if that works for you.
 
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