low carb diet what to buy advice please

rubymolloy

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Hello,
I would really welcome any advice.
I have a new boyfriend who is diabetic, sorry cant say exactly what meds he takes, it is 'artificial' insulin(?) that he injects twice a day and a lot of tablets. His blood sugar goes mad when he eats things like chips, which seems to mystify him, but just looking on here i see that carbs are very under stated by the nurses and doctors who advise....so i am going to try and encourage him towards a low carb diet.
i have found a lot of advise on here already, tortilla wraps instead of bread, matzos crackers etc and have noted down that 100g carb a day over three meals would be a good start...
any advise please on how many potatoes is ok, how about dumplings? porridge and weetabix? noodles...he loves take aways....
i have ordered a gems collins carb counter but it will be a while coming.

would welcome any advise, thanks very much
 

Indy51

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The best way of finding out how carbohydrates affect him is to test before eating, then again 2 hours after eating. There seem to be many individual reactions to common foods, for example porridge is fine for some people, but other people have blood glucose spikes after eating it. The forum introductory post might be of help to you:

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26870
 

phoenix

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How he should approach any change of diet will depend on the type of insulin he takes. There are certain insulins that require at least a consistent amount of carbohydrates and regularly timed meals. If you cut the carbs too low and take the same amount of insulin then it may result in a hypo later. (if you can say what type ie the name of the insulin he uses that is quite important )
Meanwhile to help gain control he needs to know what his glucose levels are before and 2 hours after meals, how many g of carbs there were in the meal, when he injected, (and anything like hypos and exercise) This helps to see any patterns, it's a bit of a chore but you don't have to look at that amount of detail for ever ( :) )
 

daisy1

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Hi Ruby and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members which should be helpful as it contains much information about carbs (link given above). Feel free to ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone here to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

GlazedDoughnuts

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Low carb diet isnt needed if he is of normal weight, he just needs to use enough Insulin to cover what he eats.
However, if he is eating excessively and increases his Insulin he will put on weight extremely quick.

I eat a fair bit of carbs, my diet isnt any different to a 'normal' persons, all I do is make sure I take enough Insulin to cover what I eat and exercise. The NHS tells you to have a normal balanced diet for a reason, it's not some conspiracy against diabetics, but instead the reality of the situation. They're simply advising him to keep a balanced, healthy diet.

Exercise helps maintain weight or lose it, if he isn't exercising regularly now is a good time to start. It'll help not only help make him fitter but it will help control his blood sugars.

If he is over weight he may be adding resistance to his Insulin, so he should lose weight, definitely exercise and eat less junk.

Also how will he feel being told by a new girlfriend to drastically change his diet to manage his diabetes :think:
 

KennyS

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GlazedDoughnuts said:
The NHS tells you to have a normal balanced diet for a reason, it's not some conspiracy against diabetics, but instead the reality of the situation.

I wouldn't go so far as to say conspiracy..... misguided perhaps. :wink:

While I will concede that some people (T2) have little alternative to the program of medication and insulin, the NHS approach, which certainly hastens that result in those that don't, also breeds dependence and apathy.

By the way, my wife loves me and cares about me. She reads and studies as much as I do. She is logical in her approach and will challenge my perceptions and methods when she feels it isn't in my best interest. At the end of the day, what I do is my decision but to say that she has no right to have an input.... well, that just sort of places her outside of a caring relationship now doesn't it?

Kenny :thumbup:
 

rubymolloy

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thanks everyone...

yes he is overweight and has been told to lose it. he has been terrified of food and eating for years now and we have discussed how he will feel with my input but he is relieved, as he really has struggled to know what to eat...

i agree, it is precarious ground though,lol!

he takes..metformin 3x2 tablets daily
asprin x 1 daily
bieta 10ml x2 daily (insulin stuff)
a tablet for cholesterol.

it is weird how the carb thing seems to work, he has a friend at work who takes exactly the same meds as him who eats biscuits etc and is fine, yet if he did the same his sugar would go through the roof...
it seems a minefield to get through to understand what suits one and get it balanced, but that is what he wants to do.
cant help wondering just why there is so much sugar in everything!!
thanks for all the advice and for replying...this forum seems very helpful and vital!
ruby
x
 

KennyS

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Ruby,

Advise for which foods are good or bad is difficult as individuals respond differently to similar foods. I think that an approach to understanding which foods are more reactive is to look at the three general categories.... Sugars, Grains and Starches. Sugars are pretty self explanatory. Grains... all grains that we eat in shelf ready products are in some fashion, refined. That is, they are cracked, ground, bleached etc. Each part of that process allows for the more rapid absorption of the single chain carbs that quickly show up in the blood stream. Generally speaking, the less processed, the less likely the spike in Blood Glucose readings. That is a general rule as some breads quit tolerated by some are a 'no go' for others. The other thing than comprises single chain carbs are starches. Starches are a very big part of breads but are part of the make up of many root vegetables like potatoes and carrots. Starch is present in almost all sauces and gravies as it acts a thickener of these products. By looking at all of these foods with suspicion, he can test to see which cause him problems and which don't. For myself, this path of low(er) carbing has naturally caused a 1-2 pound a week weight loss, improved my blood pressure and lifted my mood and energy tremendously.......

Perhaps others have heard of Bieta. I have only found 'Byetta' which is not an insulin product by is used in conjunction with insulin or drugs such as metformin to stabilize blood sugar some. As I do not use insulin, I would be hard pressed to even talk about it but if the product is Byetta, I don't see any reason why he couldn't, in conjunction with regular testing, find what foods work for him and eventually reduce his dependence on the things he is taking. Does he test regularly? Does he track his results?

rubymolloy said:
cant help wondering just why there is so much sugar in everything!!
Me neither Ruby.... except that it makes things taste scrummy.... same with grains.... one would be surprised by how many things contain grains and grain derivatives. By using so many of these things in products... in makes them sell kind of like 'hot cakes"!

Anyway,Hope this helps
Kenny :thumbup:
 

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Hi ruby
you.ve got brilliant advice from other people already. My suggestion is to go to basic foods. Buy natural unprocessed and cook from scratch.
Eat like your grandparents ate. Meat and 2 veg, better still 3 veg, light on the potatoes and not too many root veggis. Keep bread quantities down too. Bread is a very processed product.
In fact the nearer the food is to how it grew, the better. As you learn, you can branch out more.
Hana