tonyS54
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Again read the title of the thread Low carb diets and Diabetes UK, it's not a meaningless phrase at all, be it high fat, high protein or paleo their all "low carb"
The whole point of my posts is there is no way to live on a low carb diet.
Low carb high fat diet, as a lot seem to think that's what low carb must be without any other option.
Or is it low carb high protein, or all the other versions like paleo, that are equally low carb?
They can't accept just LC, as it's a meaningless phrase, and needs to be defined.
Otherwise "low carb" is just as lacking in evidence.
Seems to be going round in circles here and getting nowhere fast. Nobody can catagorically state exactly what a low carb diet is. We all eat and like different food. We really should be trying to push and encourage reducing carbs, not defining the diet. How long is a piece of string ? How long should everybody exercise for exactly ? Is it 30g of carbs for someone who weighs 8stone as well as someone who weighs 28stone ? Pointless !
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Seems to be going round in circles here and getting nowhere fast. Nobody can catagorically state exactly what a low carb diet is. We all eat and like different food. We really should be trying to push and encourage reducing carbs, not defining the diet. How long is a piece of string ? How long should everybody exercise for exactly ? Is it 30g of carbs for someone who weighs 8stone as well as someone who weighs 28stone ? Pointless !
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I have been searching for a zero calorie diet for years-just think of the money we could save.
All DUK need to state is that reducing your intake of carbs will improve BG readings ! It's not rocket science ! Everybody knows what "reducing" means surely. Far easier to understand, especially with newly diagnosed.
Nobody can catagorically state exactly what a low carb diet is.
Absolutely agree Mo and the 'high fat' part of LCHF does not mean 'Gorging' on lard and bacon or protein-it just means not fearing the naturally occurring sat fats in fresh produce and using olive oil,butter etc instead of highly processed 'Frankenfats' for cooking-no percentages needed-it works well for me and countless others without a 'set in stone' level...I don't count fat,calories or protein-only worry about how many carbs I consume.
I think the closest you can get is a handful of grains and a glass of water if you spend your days in contemplation in a Zen monastary. Whilst some sects forbid all meat and fish some Buddhist sects even forbid their monks from harming plants.
Someone ought to do a study into CHD and Diabetes amonst these various monastic communities for the purposes of comparison.
Quite right Ian. Sam spent much time and effort trying to get Duk to hsift its posiion . Congratulations to him for achieving some movement re th!s.
As he and others before him have discovered,however, there iis no chance of similar concessions for T2
It must be remebered that no one ever asked for, or expected, DUK to endorse a long term ketogenic diet for all..
It would be considered a major victory by most of us if DUK endorsed the advice now given {unofficially} by many doctors and nurses about rediucing carbs.
We may not know what the longterm effects of a low carb diet may be but many of us, including myself , know only too well,what the consequencesof adopting the offficial advice can be.
This is not a purely academic discussion. It is about lives and limbs and eyes. DO people really want to deprive others of theset hings just to score points on a a forum.?
Much of the controversy about lowcarning is hysteria. We are talking in most cases aout a reduction in starchy carbs.
Does anyone have the right to deprive others of a small but vital piece of information which could massively impact on their lives.?
Is i really such a dreadful thing to mention to the newly diagnosed that many find a reduced carb diet very helpful?
I really don't understand Douglas'' earlier comment about not being able to live on a low carb diet.. This forum must therefore be home to a lot of dead posters . Surely we are not being accused of lying?
Quite right Ian. Sam spent much time and effort trying to get Duk to hsift its posiion . Congratulations to him for achieving some movement re th!s.
As he and others before him have discovered,however, there iis no chance of similar concessions for T2
It must be remebered that no one ever asked for, or expected, DUK to endorse a long term ketogenic diet for all..
It would be considered a major victory by most of us if DUK endorsed the advice now given {unofficially} by many doctors and nurses about rediucing carbs.
We may not know what the longterm effects of a low carb diet may be but many of us, including myself , know only too well,what the consequencesof adopting the offficial advice can be.
This is not a purely academic discussion. It is about lives and limbs and eyes. DO people really want to deprive others of theset hings just to score points on a a forum.?
Much of the controversy about lowcarning is hysteria. We are talking in most cases aout a reduction in starchy carbs.
Does anyone have the right to deprive others of a small but vital piece of information which could massively impact on their lives.?
Is i really such a dreadful thing to mention to the newly diagnosed that many find a reduced carb diet very helpful?
I really don't understand Douglas'' earlier comment about not being able to live on a low carb diet.. This forum must therefore be home to a lot of dead posters . Surely we are not being accused of lying?
Seems to be going round in circles here and getting nowhere fast. Nobody can catagorically state exactly what a low carb diet is. We all eat and like different food. We really should be trying to push and encourage reducing carbs, not defining the diet. How long is a piece of string ? How long should everybody exercise for exactly ? Is it 30g of carbs for someone who weighs 8stone as well as someone who weighs 28stone ? Pointless !
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Someone ought to worry about him ."I really don't understand Douglas'' earlier comment about not being able to live on a low carb diet.. This forum must therefore be home to a lot of dead posters . Surely we are not being accused of lying?"
Don't worry about Douglas, he is a very confused man.
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