Chuckannuck
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I'd agree with ringi, but I would have said decades instead of years.
I'd agree with ringi, but I would have said decades instead of years.I see nothing wrong with your cholesterol numbers. Without a particle size distribution test, I would assume they are OK, so will your GP provide you with the particle size distribution test?
(I think your GP is a few years out of date on his views.....)
"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.""Associations of fats and carbohydrate intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in 18 countries from five continents (PURE): a prospective cohort study" should have nailed it for ALL doctories. Before it was published (this year) we just had lots of studies that controdicted the old understanding of cholesterol, but nothing that was 100% clear cut.
Have you seen how much carbohydrate is in the average Indian/Pakistani diet? Rice, breads... and you blame ghee?Now they eat a lot of fats and ghee that is their main diet, yet they all had a Heart Attack and had high cholestero
I do not eat the fat off meat as when I was in the hospital after a heart attack, every single person on the same ward as I were Asians like Pakistan etc. Now they eat a lot of fats and ghee that is their main diet, yet they all had a Heart Attack and had high cholesterol..Considering their diet is probably more natural than the British diet meaning they eat meats and cook with a lot of Ghee and cream this does play on my mind. I will eat butter and have cream but not to much of it. There diet is very high in fat
Yes I know that they eat rice breads and Asian cakes,sweets but I am talking about cholesterol not DiabetesHave you seen how much carbohydrate is in the average Indian/Pakistani diet? Rice, breads... and you blame ghee?
Edited to add have you ever seen an Indian sweet shop? Its sugarsville with more sugar sprinkled on top.
Me too.... that's why a lot of people's cholesterol levels "normalise" when they cut carbs...Yes I know that they eat rice breads and Asian cakes,sweets but I am talking about cholesterol not Diabetes
I am not talking about them having diabetes but a heart attack.Rather than focusing on the fat that you think they eat, then focus on the fat and carbs that they eat.
It is the combination of a high fat diet combined with a high carb diet that is the problem.
Remove the carbs, and the insulin levels drop, and the fat is no longer a problem.
Have you watched any of Ivor Cummins you tube presentations?
Yes I know that they eat rice breads and Asian cakes,sweets but I am talking about cholesterol not Diabetes
Fat AND some kind of fruit or veg, or you end up with scurvy.Look at ghee (easy to make yourself) and coconut oil as they will both keep for a long time without being in a fridge. The traditional solution is Pemmican that is a mix of ground dried meat and rendered fat, make correcly it has been proven to keep for 50 years outside of a fridge. There are also lots of "meat sticks" on the market that don't need to be kept in a fridge and of couse nuts last outside of a fridge.
But dired meat will not work on its own, as you MUST have fat or veg in a diet.
Well I will be interested to see if mine has shot up on my next visit because it has always been stable for 14 years.. Another 4 months and I should knowMe too.... that's why a lot of people's cholesterol levels "normalise" when they cut carbs...
Well apparently some carbs lower cholesterol and others raise it,so may be the Asian rice etc does contribute as I cannot see them eating brown rice.I have cut all my carbs to 20 grams a day not even that most days so I will see what my Cholesterol levels are in 4 months. One thing though. My sister has been diagnosed with high levels of cholesterol, but she loves her cakes and sweets and smokes (She still smokes silly woman) but has changed her diet to rice, couscous and sweet potato and brown bread. She went from 6.5 cholesterol to 4.4 in two monthsCholesterol is hugely affected by carb intake.
I really encourage you to watch those Ivor Cummins videos.
Your sister sounds like a hyper responder.Well apparently some carbs lower cholesterol and others raise it,so may be the Asian rice etc does contribute as I cannot see them eating brown rice.I have cut all my carbs to 20 grams a day not even that most days so I will see what my Cholesterol levels are in 4 months. One thing though. My sister has been diagnosed with high levels of cholesterol, but she loves her cakes and sweets and smokes (She still smokes silly woman) but has changed her diet to rice, couscous and sweet potato and brown bread. She went from 6.5 cholesterol to 4.4 in two months
I think it is important to get the ratios in the cholesterol. My understanding is that what should be watched is the HDL number divided into the total cholesterol; some take the view that a ratio lower the 3.5 to 1 (I prefer the 2 to 1 opinion) is fine as a marker for less chance of a cardiac incident. In addition (and this is what I believe) carbs / sugars which are not fully utilised increase triglycerides which are the cause of plaque cholesterol which can break off and cause strokes / heart attacks. So it would seem that keeping triglycerides low circa < 1.7 is desirable.Well apparently some carbs lower cholesterol and others raise it,so may be the Asian rice etc does contribute as I cannot see them eating brown rice.I have cut all my carbs to 20 grams a day not even that most days so I will see what my Cholesterol levels are in 4 months. One thing though. My sister has been diagnosed with high levels of cholesterol, but she loves her cakes and sweets and smokes (She still smokes silly woman) but has changed her diet to rice, couscous and sweet potato and brown bread. She went from 6.5 cholesterol to 4.4 in two months
The NHS hatchet response to PURE study :"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstract
Geoff
OK I give in - what is MDI? Do you get it from Ikea?"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstract
Geoff
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