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Lunch out with my friend

During and after WW2 they had National Cafes where people could have a cheap and healthy cooked meals. I wish, given the obesity problem and people having to work so hard, they would re-introduce them.

But I suspect there are political reasons for not doing so - for all political parties. Big business funds a lot of bad things.
 
borofergie said:
Still makes me chuckle that I still can't eat fried bread, but now it's because of the bread bit, rather than the fried bit.
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Agree. It is all a huge learning curve, and of course a life changing learning curve. For a long time I avoided fatty fried foods thinking I was doing harm, now that I can eat them with relish I have lost my appetite. I think like you being able to chuckle at things makes this whole condition tolerable at least :D
 
Red Robin has burgers with wrapped in salad instead... wonder how long it will take for that to make it across the pond.
 
Not everyone wants to continually eat salad and veg surely?? I know I don't, I wouldn't care if I never ate veg or salad again not my favourites at all. I only eat salad with a BBQ and veg with a roast.
 
How do you manage your carbs if you dont eat salad and veg? and get your nutrition?

not snarking, curious.
 
Well I do not want to be eating stodgy carbs. I have always liked my meat and veg so this is not a great imposition.
 
Heartily agree with the majority in this post. I don't want and will not ever eat carby stuff. Since LCing I never eat at bakery type eating places. If I cant get a salad and protein meal I will pick an all day breakfast if offered. I rarely get meat and veggies as usually they only offer one green cooked veggie and I don't eat anything else.
I will NOT fit into the rest of the world if they don't offer something healthy for me. If eating out with my coeliac step daughter I never, ever expect her too eat gluten and I choose places that will cater for me 'cos I am paying.
I understand the OP's dilema but as they are new to diabetes they probably did not yet feel able to make a stand in the company of a good friend. My friends now ask where is the best place for me to eat before making a choice.
I love my choices while eating out by the way and feel live in a lucky country.
I really feel for OAP who are often unable to afford anything other than cheap fillers that offer minimal nutrition.
Alison
 
Sarah69 said:
Not everyone wants to continually eat salad and veg surely?? I know I don't, I wouldn't care if I never ate veg or salad again not my favourites at all. I only eat salad with a BBQ and veg with a roast.
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I'm the exact opposite Sarah, the thought of eating just meat and stodgy carby food day in and day out with no veg actually makes my stomach turn..literally. :sick:
I know you are type 2 on insulin so you can make adjustments to your dosage to allow for the carby foods, those who aren't need to be more cautious.
 
Sarah69 said:
Not everyone wants to continually eat salad and veg surely?? I know I don't, I wouldn't care if I never ate veg or salad again not my favourites at all. I only eat salad with a BBQ and veg with a roast.
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Well when it dawns on you that the diet of stodge and starch you've been eating for years is actually killing you because you've now got T2D and on average that's likely to take 10 to 15 years off your lifespan regardless of if you are or are not on insulin then it seems a pretty simply choice to make to start eating things that will prevent that outcome. If that means I now eat more veg fine by me as I no longer crave the stodge and starch anyway.
 
All depends on what you call stodge?? I don't enjoy vegetables so barely eat them, the same with salad. Yes I am on insulin so slightly different but even if I wasn't I still wouldn't eat salad or veg.

Breakfast cereal

Lunch sandwich or a few biscuits.

Tea is things like pie mash and peas, pasta, fish fingers chips baked beans, sausages, roast dinners.

I don't snack if so its biscuits usually.
 
I'm a carby person too.

Breakfast has to be cereal as nothing else keeps me full - can't face a cooked breakfast, egg intolerance so it's cereals or starve.

Lunch is usually a sandwich.

Tea can be anything from home made meat pie to a take away curry. I do include a lot of veg with our evening meal and have increased the amount we eat.

We are all individuals and we all like different things, healthy or not, I accept people for who they are, not what they eat. Sorry xyzzy it's my life and if I choose to eat carby things then that's up to me. I respect your choice of food, so please show some respect for people who enjoy carbs.
 
Eat what you want Sarah so long as you're not overweight then hopefully you wont just end up another CVD early death statistic.
 
SueR said:
I'm a carby person too.

Breakfast has to be cereal as nothing else keeps me full - can't face a cooked breakfast, egg intolerance so it's cereals or starve.

Lunch is usually a sandwich.

Tea can be anything from home made meat pie to a take away curry. I do include a lot of veg with our evening meal and have increased the amount we eat.

We are all individuals and we all like different things, healthy or not, I accept people for who they are, not what they eat. Sorry xyzzy it's my life and if I choose to eat carby things then that's up to me. I respect your choice of food, so please show some respect for people who enjoy carbs.
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If you go back through all my previous posts I've never once said anyone should only low carb. You can high carb or Newcastle diet or whatever I really don't care.

All I've ever pointed out is that if you are an OVERWEIGHT insulin using Type 2 you run a very high risk of heart attacks and strokes and several studies show this to be the case. People under estimate the risk and their natural reaction is to always think "It won't happen to me" but I'm afraid the statistics don't lie. If you are not overweight and lead a moderately healthy lifestyle then as far as I can see you can eat what you want, I really don't care. If you are overweight on insulin and want to run the risk that you might be reducing your life span by 10 to 15 years that's fine too again I really don't care.
 
Yes I am overweight due to chronic hip pain. I'm not able to exercise as I'm in so much pain at the moment. I'm on a waiting list for a hip replacement and once I'm fully fit I will exercise to try to lose weight. At my last diabetic check everything was fine and I didn't need to make any changes to anything, everyone happy.
 
Xyzzy's point which you both appear to have missed is that as long as your blood glucose are within 'safe' ranges then there is no problem eating whatever you like. How you go about achieving 'safe' blood glucose is entirely up to you. Personally I have always taken the stance that I want my blood glucose to be as close to 'normal' as possible (i.e. 4 mmol/l - 6.5 mmol/l) as clearly this is the way a healthy individual's body works.. All that any of us can do is try and inform people of the risks that are involved because certainly in the most part the NHS appears to be happy to accept HbA1c level's that have been shown to be damaging...

Most of us like carbohydrates hell if I could I would happily sit eating pastry until the cows came home.. but the simple fact of the matter is that blood glucose are much easier to control when you control your carbohydrate intake.. for some people this may mean low carbing for others limiting it to 150 - 180g / day but to simply ignore the fact in my opinion is inviting problems. If the ramifications of diabetes were instant.. if every time you had high blood glucose you were in agonising pain or lost your sight or what have you then certainly people would think twice... unfortunately for us diabetes is a silent killer and the damage is done over years.. you may be lucky or you may not... personally I would rather control the diabetes than take my chance with complications.
 
I fully understand Xyzzy's point and how she feels about carbs and the effects they have on our health.

I have no choice about some of the carbs I eat. I have cereals in the morning because I need to eat and to take my insulin. I cannot face anything else. I have cut back on carbs and do where I am able to, but... this isn't always possible. I do what I can, where I can.

Too late where complications are concerned, I already have them, due to not being diagnosed sooner.
 
Well I've already had the stroke and it was incredibly scary and I never ever want that to happen again. I was extremely lucky, but I still have residual damage on my left side. I don't eat potatoes (well one baked one in the last 8 months), rice or pasta. I do eat porridge for breakfast, but I do some serious exercise after it to avoid my sugar levels rising. I eats lots of salads. If I'm ever tempted to splurge on carby foods I think of my stroke and I think of my kids and that stops me. I want to be around for as long as possible and be as healthy as I can be.
 
SueR said:
I fully understand Xyzzy's point and how she feels about carbs and the effects they have on our health.

I have no choice about some of the carbs I eat. I have cereals in the morning because I need to eat and to take my insulin. I cannot face anything else. I have cut back on carbs and do where I am able to, but... this isn't always possible. I do what I can, where I can.

Too late where complications are concerned, I already have them, due to not being diagnosed sooner.
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SueR and that's a perfectly valid strategy as long as you have good BG's.

My only real concern is that people don't develop carte-blanche attitude because they are taking insulin... it is a very dangerous road for anyone with insulin resistance (be they type II or like myself type I with insulin resistance) to believe that insulin allows them to eat what they like... certainly it will help no end with eating more carbohydrate but it is not a passport to high gi-carbs.

Reference complications... In my experience my near normal blood glucose control reversed the eye damage that I had suffered as a result of years of being stupid.. although I was fortunate enough not to have developed other complications I am off the belief that sustained near normal control at worse will halt your diabetic complications and at best offer a measurable improvement.
 
Sadly my eye damage is permanent and there's no going back.

As for the insulin, I had no choice in the matter. I was using Byetta, eating next to nothing and my BG's were getting higher by the week. I was also getting severe side effects and felt lousy. I have never used insulin to eat what I like, or seen it as a way to do that either. Insulin was the last resort.

I am getting there slowly and my levels are dropping. As a result of the reaction to the Byetta - plus several of the other diabetic meds - I am taking things slowly. Watching what I eat - including carbs - is all part of it.
 
SueR said:
Sadly my eye damage is permanent and there's no going back.

As for the insulin, I had no choice in the matter. I was using Byetta, eating next to nothing and my BG's were getting higher by the week. I was also getting severe side effects and felt lousy. I have never used insulin to eat what I like, or seen it as a way to do that either. Insulin was the last resort.

I am getting there slowly and my levels are dropping. As a result of the reaction to the Byetta - plus several of the other diabetic meds - I am taking things slowly. Watching what I eat - including carbs - is all part of it.
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Apologies I should have been clearer; my comment reference insulin was a 'general' one and not specifically aimed at yourself. I release you do not have this attitude but it is/was pushed by some and in my opinion is dangerous.

Sounds like you are slowly getting things under control; if you have any questions / queries about your insulin then please don't hesitate to ask.. as a type I with insulin resistance we are in a very similar boat and I am more than happy to share my experiences.
 
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