Makes me sad

You're absolutely right Mileana and that is an excellent post Pneu.

*starts waffle*

My advice to someone who comes to my board (not diabetes-related at all), is to always type your post and preview it, read it, think to yourself 'would I want to read this? Is this helpful? How is this going to impact on other people' Then if you stand by what you want to say, post, but accept the consequences. I am a great believer in the addage that if you can't think of anything positive or helpful to say, then just don't post.

This is a fantastic helpful board. I quite honestly would not be where I am today without it. In fact I could go so far as to say without the help and advice I received here, I could be dead. I could have carried on with eating starchy carby food as advised in the NHS leaflet (which is precisely what I ate before), had another stroke which may well have been fatal.

I want for people to come to the board to be helped as much as I was. I want all the available advice to be laid out clearly and conscisely so that the newly-diagnosed or those who found their way to the board with a longer-standing history of diabetes can read the personal experiences of those who have hit their diabetes head-on, read about different methods of managing diabetes and make informed decisions about how they are going to move forward. It is a case of finding what works for you. Every diabetic is different.

Surely the main aim of the board is to help and support each other, but primarily (for me anyway), is to help the newly diagnosed and offer them the help and advice that can help them turn their lives around.

*ends waffle*

I actually missed all the apparent unpleasantness but I totally agree with Pneu's post. Indeeed, I can't see how any reasonable person could disagree.

I do not believe in factions - I don't seee he necessity for them and don't see why people canno just state their own case and agree to disagree.

What I DO believe in is respect. Respect for others and respect for oneself. I have often asked for people to be shown respect and given a fair hearing.

As I said above , I do not know the details of the problem - but I can guess . I can even guess as to who was involved.

If there were faults on both sides then it is surely necessary to consider intention..

Some posters do seem to intend ,deliberately to disrupt discussions which are important to ohers just because they disagree.

They don't seem to trust others o make their own decisions . I thought the whole point of this forum was for people to share their own experiences , allow others o see all he options so they could hen find a way which worked for them in controlling their diabetes.

It is only natural that people feel strongly about these things but we stand to lose people who have a great deal f experience and others who bring worthwhile new ideas as well as some long time stalwartss who find invaluable information relevant to us all,
if posters don't respect each other , thamselves and the forum.

There is room for everyone. It should be a broad church.

It is such a pity that certain stratagems , obvious to all, employed by certain posters to close threads , are allowed to succeed time afer time. It is also a pity that deliberately provocative posts can't be ignored.

Personal abuse under any circumstances is just not acceptable. maybe we need an"agree/disagree" button.?

We are in real danger of failing those who come here for help. Does anyone really want that?

I would advise everyone to read Pneu's last paragraph again . How can anyone disagree?

Good posts here, big thanks especially Pneu, Dillinger and didie.

I have been low carbing for 6 years, I used to follow recommended NHS dietary guidelines, with dietitians devising specific diets for me, I adhered prescrcibed diets to the letter, weighing out exact amounts, never cheating, most of the time hungry, going to bed crying, hungry, but I wanted to be healthy. Sad to say, diets and medications did not bring about the desired results, bg levels refused to budge to lower levels neither did my weight, admittedly I 'only' was 2st4lb overweight but still......, complications developed.

Changing to a low carb diet, initially to an ULC was, for me, a life saver, complications initially halted, and greatly improved or even reversed since.
If I ramble on about the benefits of low/lower carb eating it is because that is all I know.
Having said that, one of my very best friends was diagnosed last year as type 2 diabetic, obviously I talked to her about low carb, but also mentioned other options, including portion control and low GI which appears to work for some people. She opted for low GI, and thanks to catherinecherub who provided me with some excellent starting points. My friends last Hb1ac came in as 5.3, and she is happy with that, she is flexible in her approach, not adverse to low carb.

I would never knowingly offend anyone, if I go overboard, PLEASE send a PM to me, tell me, I am a member of this forum because I want to offer encouragement and support.

Good health and peace to you all x x

Well let's hope that the admin listen to the community.. After all they are here to serve us not the other way around.

SueR's 'Compassion, not Judgement' is as good as 'Eat to Your Meter'

I joined this forum when I realised that the blue-coloured forum we had been directed to by our HCP was downright dangerous. I didn't join to be subject to personal attacks by people who don't agree (but cannot agree to disagree) with my views. When I joined I was terribly stressed trying to deal with a Type 2 in denial, I needed good advice and fast, I needed support and help. That was exactly what I got from certain members. I tried very hard to ignore the rude element (who, even in my inexperience, I could see) were just out to agitate, aggravate and condemn any good advice given.

As someone who suffers from depression, the help, advice and unshakeable support were life savers. When I needed to keep my wits about me, in order to help my husband, the last thing I needed was to be personally attacked by others - something which would cause me to become overwhelmed by my depression and render me useless. It is not a fair fight to attack someone when you have no idea how they will react or if you don't care how bad you will make them feel.

Of course I understand the need for healthy debate. I understand that each person's diabetes is totally individual to them. The reason this forum is so successful is because there is so much tried and tested information that you can choose which suits you and your needs. If you don't agree with all of the advice well, that's just fine, you don't need to take it. In the same way that you don't have to start being incredibly rude to the person who offered the advice/information or the person who asked for help or advice.

I will never understand those members who feel that they must denigrate every other member who disagrees with them for whatever petty reason.

Ju

I think that the problem with DCUK, if there is one, is that while we're all willing to play lip-service to concepts like "we're all different" and "any diet that helps you control your diabetes is a good diet", the truth is that these courtesies are not extended to all parts of the community.

Personally, I don't care if you control your diabetes using low-carb, or a "30 bananas a day diet" (http://www.30bananasaday.com/), if you get good results then I'm willing to slap you on the back, and then try and suck you dry of information, just in case you're doing something clever that I could steal for my own regime.

I hope that we can get to a point where everyone's diet is respected equally, and that no-one is described as "extermist" or "fanatic" or ""fundamentalist" or "evangelical" just because they eat less carbohydrate than you do.

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What shouldn't be allowed is personal attacks or purposeful thread derailment a tactic that is all to often employed when people begin to lose the argument.

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Personal attacks should never be tolerated Pnew unfortunately they are all too prevalent here at present due to the almost total lack of moderation, and what you call thread derailment many see as disagreeing with others points of view which is when the ganging up and bullying begins and the real thread derailment starts.

"There are many ways to control diabetes", its a shame that not everyone can accept that nugget of information. The only way is Essex, according to the TV show, but ultra low carbing is not the only way.

Hi Sid, I know you've noted this at least 3 times about moderation now.

Read, understood and informing our future direction.

With thanks
Benedict

just wish the low-carb fans would stick to their own forum...

guys, when using the "new posts" feature, each line details what forum the thread is in...

I always view the forum via the active topics link so that I dont miss things that may interest me but not specific to my type of DB or way of controlling but if a topic starts to get a little negative I just dont read anymore
CAROL

Mileana said:

The low carbers have a right to give the information they have found to be very helpful to them. The problem only comes once someone goes blind to the fact that others may have good control doing something else than what worked for them.

As I said - put the information where it can be found and give your input, then leave the sensible people that we have to assume posters and readers are, to make the decision that they think will work for them.

-M

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There is a low carb forum, and a non low carb forum, but outside of these anyone on any dietary regime can feel free to post on any thread.

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Well let's hope that the admin listen to the community.. After all they are here to serve us not the other way around.

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There has been a lot of upset here lately, and while I am no angel, I will not start a row deliberately. With that said, I can only echo this, and hope this opportunity to change is not lost. This forum is a gold mine of help, support and information, and that's how it should be, there is no place for personal attacks and name calling. That is all I am going to say, I will leave the admin of the forum to carry on the good work they say they have already begun.

Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict

Why can't we all just...

...get along??? :cry:

P.S - I remember what this forum used to be like. The recent agruements are NOTHING compared to what used to happen!

good point benedict

Its about respect, isnt it? So if the low-carbers post in the low-carb forum, and the non-low-carbers post in their forum, that should solve the problem. We can respect each others subject specialisation and experience.

And could i suggest it is extended to those on diet or diet plus tabs only having a forum for specific advice to that group, and those on insulin give advice to their group also? Sort of having split forums like the carb forum is split into low-carb and not low-carb?

Then we wont get the cross over and the misunderstandings (or some of them) can be avoided?

I appreciate the effort the mods are making to sort this into a workable solution.

and maybe we can all make more effort to look at which forum we are posting on. I know i am dreadful for posting in the wrong place

benedict said:

Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict

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Let's not start a row on this of all threads, but I repeat, low carbers (which I ain't) don't need to stick to "their own forum" unless you're telling us they do? It's just that low carbers should avoid the non-low carb forum and vice-versa. All other forums are open to all members, although I would refrain from commenting on queries regarding insulin use. I agree with lucy on this.

benedict said:

Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict

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Benedict, for the avoidance of doubt, I didn't try and convince paul_c was the way to go, in fact I specifically told him that he was on the right track with GI and GL:

Well Paul, I think that GI and especially GL are great ways to go about treating your diabetes, but I strongly suggest that you read more widely. These reports are basically cynical marketing propaganda aimed at selling grain products to diabetics. It's a bit like believing a report saying "Fructose is good for you" by the National Sugar Council, or "Smoke more Fags" by the National Tobacco Council.

You're definitely on the right track, but hopefully someone will be able to suggest a better founded reference for you on GI and GL.

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I then went on to congratulate him on his early success using a GI approach:
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