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benedict said:
Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict
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Do you really think this is fair Benedict? Stephen and Steve post to many new members, Steve especially telling them what they did/do to gain control. That is no different to the welcome post Daisy gives new members. A tad harsh and unfair I think.
 
another suggestion:

More posting is done by pm to either aggrieved parties or to notify the admin.

more use of the ! button with an explanation to the mods.

then a lot of angst will be kept off the boards.

of course, this also mean that the mods will need to be more engaged and pro-active.
 
lucylocket61 said:
another suggestion:

More posting is done by pm to either aggrieved parties or to notify the admin.

more use of the ! button with an explanation to the mods.

then a lot of angst will be kept off the boards.

of course, this also mean that the mods will need to be more engaged and pro-active.
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Agree with this suggestion and approach lucy.
Thanks for the thoughts... Its helpful.
I think more posting via PM's only when things get heated and personal to the
person relevant is a better place for the conduct.
Thus keeping the thread looking healthier and clear of bickering/arguements.
Anna.
 
benedict said:
Hi Defren

It's close to being fair. They replied to paul_c and there was a collective sense of 'maybe you should look a bit further into the benefits of low carb'.

I think this would be a rounder way of looking at it.

Benedict
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That's a slightly different tone, that puts a whole new spin on it. While the written word is flat, and not always easy to interpret as the writer would like, there are ways of making it easier, based on the words you use, and this post, and your initial post sound very different in tone. I would also suggest all newly diagnosed look deeper into the benefits of low carb, that is exactly part of the common purpose of this forum.


Anyway, thank you for the reply.
 
I bet Milena is wondering why she started this thread when a totally irrelevant "who said what" starts up a disagreement in it..

There is no conclusion here about what LC actually means. There are universally accepted levels of varying degrees. I was surprised to learn that I am a LC'er according to the criteria here and so are people who would not have been accepted in the past here. Just goes to prove it is not so cut and dried.

As to the suggestions for limits to who can post where on other boards and including all the permutations let me say this. I always have helped anyone on any board if there is a question that I can help them with. If I am going to be denied that then what is the point of being here? Diabetes is not all about food. Why not go the whole hog and include age, gender, religion.

If people treated others with respect and spoke to them as they would face to face, unless they lack social skills, then we would not need this thread.
 
@ all those who would like a ban on certain diabetics posting to certain threads - Do you really think that splitting diabetics into smaller and smaller groups is a good idea? How about a male/female divide or a short/tall divide, a straight/gay divide, or how about a black/white divide. Of course I am not suggesting any of these, just using them to highlight how bad an idea it would be to reintroduce a split forum.

Split forums like secret societies stifle debate, if you really are so blind to any other view than your own then yes its a great idea, but of course in reality it stops debate which is the whole point of forums, when anyone puts forward a point of view or theory it is quite right that those views/theories should be open to question.

Still if you believe there is only one way and everyone else is wrong, then why would you want any debate?

Division is never an answer to anything and the reason why the two boards were opened up three years ago, to encourage debate.
 
benedict said:
Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict
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I agree I did that Benedict however when it quickly became apparent that Paul was following a Mediterranean diet I tried to encourage him by showing his style of diet was completely endorsed by my friends the Swedes in their health system "Kost Vid Diabetes" document. I think my comments to Paul are on the "doughnut thread" but I could be mistaken. That same document also recommends a moderate reduced carbohydrate diet based on Dr Annika Dahlqvist LCHF regime. The two in my mind are quite similar in the sense they both state that a significant reduction of starchy carbohydrates is desirable which is all I recommend to any new member. The Swedes one is better as it still recommends some alcohol :D. Without wshing to talk for Stephen as he is VLC and I am not then that same "Kost Vid Diabetes" document while not endorcing VLC diets does not say they are dangerous and simply states if you are on one you should have regular reviews by your HCP's. That is sensible advise which I would recommend anyone who elects to do VLC should also do.

Hope that makes it clear.
 
Defren said:
benedict said:
Hi Defren

It's close to being fair. They replied to paul_c and there was a collective sense of 'maybe you should look a bit further into the benefits of low carb'.

I think this would be a rounder way of looking at it.

Benedict
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That's a slightly different tone, that puts a whole new spin on it. While the written word is flat, and not always easy to interpret as the writer would like, there are ways of making it easier, based on the words you use, and this post, and your initial post sound very different in tone. I would also suggest all newly diagnosed look deeper into the benefits of low carb, that is exactly part of the common purpose of this forum.


Anyway, thank you for the reply.
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If only someone had told me about low carb early on I might well still have full kidney function perfect eyesight feel all my toes..;...newly diagnosed people should be given information on all the tools they can use in order to achieve good diabetic control. To be perfectly honest I have been asked by diabetic members of the community why xyzzy's intro post is not yet a sticky and added to the welcome post for new members.
 
Grazer said:
benedict said:
Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict
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Let's not start a row on this of all threads, but I repeat, low carbers (which I ain't) don't need to stick to "their own forum" unless you're telling us they do? It's just that low carbers should avoid the non-low carb forum and vice-versa. All other forums are open to all members, although I would refrain from commenting on queries regarding insulin use. I agree with lucy on this.
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+1 Grazer................. I may not low carb now, as am trying to gain control through carb counting/inulin doses. However that doesnt mean that I dont read, digest and consider what is successful for others. We all have a brain and can choose to make our own decisions. We may not always voice out conclusions but that doesnt mean that we haven't learn't something.

Mileana............I so agree that we should all support each other and respect each other.

Lucy.
 
Robinredbreast said:
Mileanas thread started off as it was supposed to do, we have all read it, an excellent positive post. But now it has started a ' you said that' ' er no I didn't'( not the members actual words though) . Its going down that slipperly path. :shock: In the begining the thread was full of great comments and in agreement with what Mileanna had written.

Someone suggested sending pm's to other parties, but what would that achieve? the offending member needs to put their views across, so that everyone can see what they have written, and typing a pm out of sight from the rest of the forum,probably wouldn't work.

Mileanna's thread was a very positive one, with about 3/4's of the people in agreement writing good positive comments. That's how it should be and to try and keep it that way.

I have just thought of a moving boxing match 'smilie' so that 2 members can have a good old bout, and slog it out :wink: just a thought that popped into my head.

Trying to be positive RRB I have just seen a couple more posts :( . DON'T PEOPLE EVER LEARN on here. STOP

Mileanna don't be disheartened :(
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Do you know I couldn't care less about diets at this moment in time. This thread is steadily being highjacked. It is too important for exchanging other ideas and comments
 
Robinredbreast said:
I have just thought of a moving boxing match 'smilie' so that 2 members can have a good old bout, and slog it out :wink: just a thought that popped into my head.
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Just for you Robin I give you the handbags at dawn smiley
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Robinredbreast said:
MILEANNAS, SO SAD THREAD IS NOT ABOUT LOW CARBING. please please stop it now if you want a fight/argument then start your own threads or pm each other. This thread being hijacked again. Where is a moderator? OMG :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Just seen the 'boxers' where on earth did you get that from :?: but that is just what I was thinking of :wink:
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+1 RR.

And there you have it, a plea for calm and consideration and now all manner of people who should know better wading in. It will make up minds for a lot of people if it is worth carrying on here.
 
I am not disheartened. The posts above have been keeping to the facts of the discussion that lead to this and a couple things have been made more clear than they were originally.

I agree that low carbers should be allowed to post anywhere they like - they just need to know when to stop pushing the issue.

The red flag for me on a certain thread was when people almost accused each other of lying for saying they managed their diabetes differently and had good control.

A month ago there was a different example of someone being accused of lying for telling about the benefits of low carb to them.

I really just want to say that we have to respect that bodies are different, pancs are different, progression or not is different, and well the energy and time we have to give will be different.

More information PRO your own viewpoint, facts are a plus, so is experience, and much much less of the CON of someone elses approach if it works for them.

If this does not work - try this instead. If that doesn't work - try this. Like the progression from Daisy's new member post to 'full blown' :D LCHF diet. I can't be the only one who can see the link, and see that the information in both the regularly posted welcome posts (xyzzy's I think) are both good, and both valid options as long as people get to their goals with them.

We can't blame non-low carbers for all the bad things a trazillion carbs will do to you, hehe, we can only conclude that for some people, carbs don't seem to work, and for some, it might, in more or less moderation.

All we need is the information to be available to more people so they can make better choices that work for them.

:)
 
benedict said:
Just bear in mind that when paul_c first posted on the forum he did so in the 'non-low carb' forum and had borofergie and xyzzy trying to convince him that low carb was the way to go.

So, paul does have a point here.

Benedict
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Bendict look here for where I endorce Pauls Mediteranean diet and tell him that in a reply

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-...&t=30398&p=286265&hilit=Mediterranean#p286265

Also here which endorces the whole Mediteranean regime

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-...&t=30623&p=288405&hilit=Mediterranean#p288405
 
Thank you Mileana..good to know that the thread is not disheartening you.

I hope you don't mind me making a suggestion please.

There have been calls on here yet again that the thread is being disrailed. If those who feel that this is the case press the alert button, then it will be highlighted to a mod.

Failing that, I see Benedict is online. As he is administrator, I would suggest that thoise who are unhappy bring the contents of this thread to his attention so he can see where the derailments are.

No arguments then is there. :?:
 
ladybird64 said:
Thank you Mileana..good to know that the thread is not disheartening you.

I hope you don't mind me making a suggestion please.

There have been calls on here yet again that the thread is being disrailed. If those who feel that this is the case press the alert button, then it will be highlighted to a mod.

Failing that, I see Benedict is online. As he is administrator, I would suggest that thoise who are unhappy bring the contents of this thread to his attention so he can see where the derailments are.

No arguments then is there. :?:
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Perhaps you could raise that with Benedict (admin) or another mod if you are unhappy with a decision?
 
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