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Mechanism by which saturated fat raises LDL

The AHA has been giving advice for decades and yet the rates at which death from atherosclerosis continue to spiral even with the advent of statins. The ADA and its British counterpart still push the low fat mantra and yet the rate of T2 and obesity has reached epidemic proportions. Decades of advice and even in the face of mounting criticism it continues. The fear of sat fat was promoted and sustained by decades of bad advice based on shoddy science.
 
What is atherosclerosis?


One type of cardiovascular disease includes physical blockages that can stop blood flow in the coronary vessels and cause ischemia of the heart muscle. When this is severe and sudden, this is what is commonly referred to as myocardial infarction or a "heart attack." However, years of coronary artery disease typically precede the attack with gradual narrowing and blocking of the blood vessels. The blockages are formed by lipid or cholesterol deposits that cause inflammation and form plaques. These plaques calcify, block the vessels, and limit blood flow to the heart muscle. This process is called atherosclerosis. The plaques can also rupture, releasing a thrombus or clot that can block blood flow downstream and cause ischemia (decreased oxygen delivery to tissues) elsewhere in the heart or brain.

Because the body was not designed to have high levels of cholesterol (specifically LDL) in the blood, immune cells called macrophages move it into the blood vessel walls to get it out of the circulation. In this process, it becomes oxidized, and this is what triggers the inflammatory process. The macrophages become overwhelmed with the oxidized LDL, try to engulf it, becoming "foam cells." These foam cells trigger the need for further "clean up," and the body tries to sequester the unhealthy foam cells and forms a hard plaque around it. These plaques cause further inflammation within the tissue of the artery wall; this is how atherosclerosis progresses.

There are differences between how atherosclerosis develops in men and women. https://www.medicinenet.com/heart_disease_in_women/article.htm
You are singing from the old hymn sheet here. Recent studies and research published last year, and even last week, is beginning to show that there is no significant correlation between CVE and LDL level, especially the iscaemic events you describe. There is also evidence showing that plaques are not LDL getting trapped, but oxidised trigs called sLDL which is not the same thing at all.
 
You are singing from the old hymn sheet here. Recent studies and research published last year, and even last week, is beginning to show that there is no significant correlation between CVE and LDL level, especially the iscaemic events you describe. There is also evidence showing that plaques are not LDL getting trapped, but oxidised trigs called sLDL which is not the same thing at all.

and there is mounting information that the initial inflammation causing "things" to get stuck is caused by too much omega 6 and too little omega 3 in the western diet.
 
"Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid."

From "Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data from Minnesota Coronary Experiment (1968-73)" http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246
 
The AHA has been giving advice for decades and yet the rates at which death from atherosclerosis continue to spiral even with the advent of statins. The ADA and its British counterpart still push the low fat mantra and yet the rate of T2 and obesity has reached epidemic proportions. Decades of advice and even in the face of mounting criticism it continues. The fear of sat fat was promoted and sustained by decades of bad advice based on shoddy science.

Agreed @Guzzler! The following snippets and link are to an interesting July 2017 article in the Pharmaceutical Journal:

‘The cholesterol and calorie hypotheses are both dead — it is time to focus on the real culprit: insulin resistance’

‘It is clear that appropriate lifestyle interventions deliver far more impressive results compared with those of current medications (and without the side effects, and at a much lower cost). Given that statins can give the illusion of CVD protection, predispose the development of type 2 diabetes in up to 1 in 50 patients taking these drugs, and cause reversible side effects in up to 29% of users, stopping statins may paradoxically ‘save more lives’ and improve quality of life in those taking them[15].’​

‘Calorie balance sheets — targeting ‘calories in’ and/or ‘calories out’ — reinforce the message of overeating and inactivity as the underlying causes, rather than the resultant effects, of this aberrant physiology[29].’​

And to underscore @Bluetit1802's point above:

‘Furthermore, dietary guidelines (as well as a recent presidential advisory by the American Heart Association) recommend replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat in order to reduce LDL-C[37]. In practice, this translates to recommending vegetable oils and margarines rich in omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA). Hence, the consumption of omega-6 PUFA has skyrocketed in recent decades and dwarfed the intake of omega-3 PUFA.’​

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal....l-culprit-insulin-resistance/20203046.article
 
https://medium.com/@Kahn642/the-new...alth-eat-like-a-bolivian-tsimane-5815e333a100 These guys eat only 14% total fat ,hardly any of it saturated. They have the lowest rates of heart disease known in the world.
They also have a small gene pool that is uncorrupted by the genes associated with diabetes, so may be protected by their isolation. They do not yet have mod cons, and the industrial pollution that goes with it and which is suspected as leading to DNA damage and inflammation, leading in turn to atherosclerosis. They lead a very active life with 90% of daylight hours occupied with physical activity. They do not have access to transfats or added sugar or any refined food sources. They have a Low GI diet, which is found to be of benefit to some diabetics (Mediterranean diet is considered low GI) so this news is not unexpected.

It remains to be seen how this group will fare now their isolation is broken, and modern life invades. The Inuit and the Polynesians both had similar success with their diets, but sadly now suffer from modernity and McDonalds etc, and now have one of the highest diabetes and obesity rates. The nomadic arabs now suffer a similar fate, as do the Japanese. So the western way of life is not beneficial. We know that. But what you are sharing with us here is a lifestyle in a smallish group of isolated self sufficient subsistance people and this way of life would be almost impossible to recreate in the Western world now. Just changing to their diet will not suffice, since the inflammatory triggers are all around us now, and we cannot easily escape. Even communal self sufficiency living as tried by the hippies fails to protect them and is unsustainable in the long term.
 
There is also the idea that all fat from animal sources is saturated.
Chicken - a whole one oven ready - is likely to be 14 percent fat, but only 4 percent saturated fat.
I think I'm right in saying organic chicken better. No added steroids or water.
 
But are they particularly healthy overall? The following suggests they aren't:

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This is what Webmd says about CRP.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/c-reactive-protein-test#1
The Lancet study report does indicate high levels of inflammation in the population, but does not elaborate on what it means for them in long term health terms. I wonder how many centagenerians there are? Certainly the Lancet report is giving a longer life expectancy than the statistics you give here, but what is your source? I note the Lancet report does not seem to declare their source either. I am suspicious of this Professor Kahn and his institute as a reliable centre for study. A study size of 706 is quite small compared to say the Harvard Nurses study (which is ongoing).

Edit to add: In addition I used to subscribe to Medium Daily Digest too, because Dr Jason Fung contributes regularly to it, but I have had to give it up now since I found it was publishing any old rubbish and not a reliable journal to quote. It is linked to a media company that has a distinct commercial interest in alternative health that I find interfering and misleading.
 
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This is what Webmd says about CRP.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/c-reactive-protein-test#1
The Lancet study report does indicate high levels of inflammation in the population, but does not elaborate on what it means for them in long term health terms. I wonder how many centagenerians there are? Certainly the Lancet report is giving a longer life expectancy than the statistics you give here, but what is your source? I note the Lancet report does not seem to declare their source either. I am suspicious of this Professor Kahn and his institute as a reliable centre for study. A study size of 706 is quite small compared to say the Harvard Nurses study (which is ongoing).

Edit to add: In addition I used to subscribe to Medium Daily Digest too, because Dr Jason Fung contributes regularly to it, but I have had to give it up now since I found it was publishing any old rubbish and not a reliable journal to quote. It is linked to a media company that has a distinct commercial interest in alternative health that I find interfering and misleading.
More recent info says their life expectancy is now 53.
 
Their sat fat intake is less than 6% of cals, their total fat intake 14%, protein 14% also. Their arteries are clean as a whistle even at age 85, despite far higher levels of inflammation than ours. That's enough to convince me to avoid saturated fat like the plague in order to have less clogged arteries.
 
Their sat fat intake is less than 6% of cals, their total fat intake 14%, protein 14% also. Their arteries are clean as a whistle even at age 85, despite far higher levels of inflammation than ours. That's enough to convince me to avoid saturated fat like the plague in order to have less clogged arteries.
Not me. The paper that this is based on even states that the reason for their low calcium scores is not known. It may have nothing to do with their low saturated fat intake. I'm guessing that the reasons for their low calcium scores are that they don't eat sugar, refined carbs, or processed food and lead a less stressful and more active life than westerners.
 
Their sat fat intake is less than 6% of cals, their total fat intake 14%, protein 14% also. Their arteries are clean as a whistle even at age 85, despite far higher levels of inflammation than ours. That's enough to convince me to avoid saturated fat like the plague in order to have less clogged arteries.

Not me. The paper that this is based on even states that the reason for their low calcium scores is not known. It may have nothing to do with their low saturated fat intake. I'm guessing that the reasons for their low calcium scores are that they don't eat sugar, refined carbs, or processed food and lead a less stressful and more active life than westerners.

I also guess that they don't consume seed oils and vegetable oils that contain massive amounts of the highly inflammatory omega 6. All these cheap oils are used in processed foods, take-aways, fast food, ready meals, pies and pastries etc. They are the danger foods, not natural real foods like meat, fish, dairy etc.
 
I also guess that they don't consume seed oils and vegetable oils that contain massive amounts of the highly inflammatory omega 6. All these cheap oils are used in processed foods, take-aways, fast food, ready meals, pies and pastries etc. They are the danger foods, not natural real foods like meat, fish, dairy etc.
I am inclined to avoid omega 6s because I know they are inflammatory. But quite how they are inflammatory (where they cause inflammation ), I don't know. I have also heard lots of people including posters on here say they are bad for you, but they never say in what way. Do you have any links to information on the ill effects of seed oils and how they are caused?
 
I am inclined to avoid omega 6s because I know they are inflammatory. But quite how they are inflammatory (where they cause inflammation ), I don't know. I have also heard lots of people including posters on here say they are bad for you, but they never say in what way. Do you have any links to information on the ill effects of seed oils and how they are caused?
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/omega-6-harmful-8622.html
https://www.webmd.com/women/features/benefits-of-essential-fats-and-oils#1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335257/
The AHA however say Omega -6 is benficial to heart function and that we should increase our vegetable based PUFA and reduce the Omega -3. But then the AHA has recently signed up in collaboration with the Vegan society, so is fast losing credance in my eyes.
 
I am inclined to avoid omega 6s because I know they are inflammatory. But quite how they are inflammatory (where they cause inflammation ), I don't know. I have also heard lots of people including posters on here say they are bad for you, but they never say in what way. Do you have any links to information on the ill effects of seed oils and how they are caused?

Cancer seems to be the main inflammatory problem, plus heart disease and atherosclerosis
A few odds and ends below

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/147/4/342/84268
https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/73797
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18636564
https://blog.bulletproof.com/omega-3-vs-omega-6-fat-supplements/
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/attachments/upload_2017-12-26_14-14-31-png.24798/
http://www.srnutrition.co.uk/2014/02/the-new-fat-problem-omega-6-fatty-acids
 
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