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There is an important piece of the puzzle that seems to be being left out -- it is not those cultures that adopt a western style diet that have an increase in diabetes, it happens in the cultures that adopt a diet that contains foods imported from western countries with intensive farming practices and/or adopt those same intensive farming practices themselves.

Coincidence? Not really, not when you consider the focus of current research. High fat and high sugar foods have been with us for generations, but it's only in the last two generations that high numbers of people, and their pets, have literally started eating themselves to death. There must be a reason, probably more than one reason. There is a known virus that affects humans and chickens and causes chickens to gain weight rapidly. 80% of morbidly obese people have the antibody to that virus in their blood. Beef cattle and dairy herds are given 'supplements' so help them grow faster or produce more milk. One of the most common supplements, not so long banned, is known to cause epigentic changes in humans and is associated with an increased incidence of adult obesity. Crops are sprayed with chemicals that are known neurotoxins, and neurotoxins can cause behaviour changes. Antibiotics fed to farm animals are present in the meat we eat and antibiotics change the intestinal flora, and it's been found that obese people have lower numbers of some intestinal bacteria. That was discovered only after it was found that bariatric surgery normalises the intestinal flora and that in turn reduces insulin resistance.

It is very interesting that obesity and diabetes are happening to our animals as well. Are they eating because of stress? I don't think my fat cat is capable of having stress, I've never known a more relaxed animal. She's more active than the thin cats I've had and eats less than the recommended amount for a cat of her ideal weight and yet she stays fat. What, exactly, has started to make cats, animals once known for the ability to self regulate their food intake, become in need of diet food? She doesn't eat takeaways, has never had anything from McDonalds, isn't offered fatty foods or high sugar foods. She ignores the tele so it isn't advertising that causes her to eat. And if purring is anything to go by, she's completely devoid of any emotional weakness or psychological need. She eats good quality cat food and nothing else. I wonder how good that food is for her, when it's made out of the same intensively farmed animals and cereal crops that go into human food. Coincidence? I don't think so.

The fact that this obesity epidemic is affecting more than just humans points to it being an environmental cause, very likely in the food chain, rather than any human weakness in the vast majority of cases. It's probably too late for most of us, but wouldn't it be a sensible thing if the cause were found and eliminated so that this isn't a plague we pass on to our children and grandchildren?
 
This is a bit like saying smokers should not be concerned about cancer as not all smokers get cancer ! There will always be exceptions. The 60 a day smoker who lives to be 100. The 6 stone when wet diabetic. The marathon runner diabetic. The non smoking skinny person with cancer.
For these reasons, this thread will go on and on. What I am sure of is smoking is bad and MAY cause disease/cancer. Obesity is bad and MAY lead to diabetes. For those who smoke or are overweight, you know the risks. Both may be down to stress or just because you like it.


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I'm not sure what you're saying now Geocacher.
You're saying its the chicken virus. Then you say its the 'supplements'. Then its the neurotoxins or maybe its the antibiotics?
Hmm....

Clearly you believe that the incidences of diabetes in animals is proof that obesity is linked to industrial farming - the common factor being food. I assume you have researched this rather than relying on anecdote. As I've never seen an obese cat out of all the zillions of cats I have seen fed on your tainted obesity inducing catfood, would you point us in the direction of research that shows that there is an animal diabetes epidemic of equal proportions to that in humans. It might give you a little more credence if you did.
 
Cinderella said:
I was diagnosed Type 2 in December 2012. I have no close family members who had diabetes (parents, grandparents). I weighed 8st 4 oz on diagnosis and due to change in diet now weigh 6st 12oz. Am I considered to be a fat porker? It seems to me that some people develop diabetes for no apparent reason at all.

Cinders

Which is why the science bloke didn't say "everyone that has diabetes is a fat porker"...


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Stuffedolive,

I only debate with people who know a subject well enough to challenge my ideas in a constructive and informative manner. It seems that you are intent only on criticising and condemning any opinion other than your own. And that is simply a waste of time because you will neither reinforce my ideas nor encourage me reconsider my point of view.

I can explain anything I've written to you, but I can't understand it for you. In respect of that perhaps it would be best if you do your own research and then come back with a considered opinion that you are prepared to discuss in a respectful way.
 
ok i wasnt going to get involved in this thread because folks are cleary much cleverer than me so i tend to stick to posts about jellies :) but may i say that i am insulted by people (professors or not) saying stuff like this because although ive never been lazy i have eaten rubbish my whole life, as a child my family finding the rent was given priority over healthy eating, eating at all was enough i can remember my dad eating bread and jam for hes evening meal after a long days graft so we could have a proper dinner, so yes i blame myself completely for my diabetes and i am working real hard to make me better with some success so far but.... my youngest daughter was pretty much overweight from birth at 2 was diagnosed with hyperinsulinism ans started on metformin, when other children ate sweets she had a piece of fruit, when she goes to a friends birthday party she will refuse anything unhealthy including a piece of cake it is heart breaking to see,she eats amazingly well it has been all consuming for us, she has spent so much time in gosh having tests i lost count at the number of injections and all that, now she is 10yrs old and is the most active child i ever saw she dosent sit still, she is very overweight..... is lazy porker offensive? hell yeah it is.
and may i also say to anyone who hasnt been overweight, you havent a clue! i tottally agree with sid, no one wants to be obese.
the answer? i havent a clue but i know that being mean to people is not going to help, did putting a picture of throat cancer oozing out of someones neck on cigarette packets stop anyone smoking?

i just wish people would show some encouragement and a lttle understanding of people whatever there circumstances... even the lazy porkers amongst us.

good job im on my iphone as this could have gone on all night.

thanks
Andy
 
Andy. I think there is a common misconception about unhealthy food being cheap. Some of the problems are portion size massive full fat drinks, I see kids drinking red bull. I too grew up with parents on a budget, bread and jam was a treat ;-) but I think we had a healthier lifesyle in general in the past.

Perhaps the scientist should have said it better, perhaps it was deliberate for the shock factor. I don't think any one individual should necessarily be offended (not that I dictate the emotions of others) or we as a diabetic group should be put out. I can only imagine the intent was a shot across the bows, a warning to Society in general. ..

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Geocacher said:
you are intent only on criticising and condemning any opinion other than your own. And that is simply a waste of time because you will neither reinforce my ideas nor encourage me reconsider my point of view..

Quite right Geocacher. I don't pay much heed to opinion. Your ideas and opinion need to be backed up by science. Please enlighten us, we are all 'ears'.
 
Mr Happy touches on the nub of this problem.
Sure, preprepared food, fast food etc is **** and will do us no good at all, full of all sorts of things that we don't expect and are downright bad for us. However, on top of that we have, as a nation, got food out of all proportion. We have forgotten what is normal. When I grew up in the 60's. A bottle of pop (Tizer, cream Soda etc) would last a week, these days folks get through 2 or 3 a day. Sweets were a weekend treat, not for breakfast and then again after school (not to mention breaktimes) and we'd never heard of pain'au'chocolat nor peanut butter and nutella. How times, diets and normality have changed. Wake up! The prof said what he did because he's probably tired of delivering the same old 'soft glove' messages that have had absolutely no effect at all.
 
Stuffedolive,

As I stated earlier, I can't understand it for you, you will need to do your own research.

Until you have acquired some basic knowledge of the topic anything I write in reply to you would be like trying to explain to you how to smell the colour nine.
 
Geocacher said:
Stuffedolive,

As I stated earlier, I can't understand it for you, you will need to do your own research.

Until you have acquired some basic knowledge of the topic anything I write in reply to you would be like trying to explain to you how to smell the colour nine.

I think you mean you can't explain it.
 
Stuffedolive,

I mean exactly what I wrote -- I can't understand it for you. Do your own research.

You may be spoiling for an argument, but I prefer a considered debate.
 
stuffedolive said:
Mr Happy touches on the nub of this problem.
Sure, preprepared food, fast food etc is **** and will do us no good at all, full of all sorts of things that we don't expect and are downright bad for us. However, on top of that we have, as a nation, got food out of all proportion. We have forgotten what is normal. When I grew up in the 60's. A bottle of pop (Tizer, cream Soda etc) would last a week, these days folks get through 2 or 3 a day. Sweets were a weekend treat, not for breakfast and then again after school (not to mention breaktimes) and we'd never heard of pain'au'chocolat nor peanut butter and nutella. How times, diets and normality have changed. Wake up! The prof said what he did because he's probably tired of delivering the same old 'soft glove' messages that have had absolutely no effect at all.

Indeed. Some of this is repetition but the butter debate is brilliant. I like a proper farm shop unsalted butter, the wife wants something made on Mars with poly this and cholesterol reducing that. If some of these spreads can reduce cholesterol why Are we not spooning them down?

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Well I did want to see some debate instead of blind acceptance from either side of the fence....

I stepped away from the keyboard and I am glad I did.

Both sides have some valid points but I feel it's getting a little too hot for people yo see and respect other people's views.
I understand some comments have been edited. That's kind of an hint to take some time out (in my opinion).

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Here's a little background information on 'Professor Craig Currie' --

He may have been represented as a professor of diabetes by the BBC, but he's a professor of pharmacoepidemiology.

Pharmacoepidemiology is the study of the use of and the effects of drugs in large numbers of people. The gentleman is a number cruncher who happens to work in the field of medicine. He's not a doctor, and diabetes is not his specialism.

Which explains the crude manner of his presentation and lack of real knowledge of anything but statistics.

Much more worthy of the tabloids than the BBC, isn't it?

No doubt he was paid well for his 'expert' opinion.
 
Maybe someone should contact the BBC and suggest they take a look at this forum, specifically this thread, so that they can see how their segment was received on the front line?


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hornplayer said:
Maybe someone should contact the BBC and suggest they take a look at this forum, specifically this thread, so that they can see how their segment was received on the front line?


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60,000 members of this forum and how many have contributed.............

Yah BIG news story............
 
It was actually a good suggestion. The downside is how few people have contributed.

That's no reason to stop you emailing or ringing the BBC though.

There you go a chance to swim in the lake.
 
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