Meter/Test Strip Price Balance

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I confess to having a bee in my bonnet about glucometer accuracy and have previously tried, albeit clumsily, to initiate a discussion in order to see whether others are similarly afflicted.

Having accumulated around 10 relatively contemporary meters I am surprised by the often considerable variance between each. After much diligent time-wasting with candle and spreadsheet I am utterly convinced that the most significant errors result from a particular meter's ability to correct for high or low hematocrit. Hematocrit is the percentage of red blood cells in total blood volume and meters tend to read high if this volume is low (anaemia) and the opposite for higher red cell counts.

To illustrate, here is a paper that graphically shows the comparative variances between 17 meters: http://sites.bu.edu/bionicpancreas/...rs-Ekhlaspour-J-Diabetes-Sci-Technol-2016.pdf

Now here's my point. Out of the 10 meters that I have accumulated only a couple of them have provided consistent, dependable results for my lowish hematocrit level. The remainder had been consigned to the U/S drawer once the initial phial of test strips had been used. What a waste, yet pharmaceutical companies make such obscene profits from test strips that they can afford to treat their respective glucometers as freebie sprats. Hence I would bet that in terms of meter design economic considerations far outweigh absolute technical attainment.

Devices with good hematocrit correction are few and far between. The GlucoRX HCT is one such meter and this fellow even simultaneously displays hematocrit percentage underneath the blood glucose readout. Regretfully I believe he is in a minority of one.

My question is, how many of us would be willing to pay sensible money for a cutting edge device that uses economical test strips, negates known interference issues such as hematocrit, and exhibits a superior standard of accuracy? This versus the present norm of essentially disposable meters and excessively expensive test strips.

So, my proposition is that pharmaceutical companies develop and charge for a top quality meter and factor back the cost of providing free devices. This could then be offset against the price of test strips, resulting in superior testing, less wasted resources and a more committed customer base.
 
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I confess to having a bee in my bonnet about glucometer accuracy and have previously tried, albeit clumsily, to initiate a discussion in order to see whether others are similarly afflicted.

Having accumulated around 10 relatively contemporary meters I am surprised by the often considerable variance between each. After much diligent time-wasting with candle and spreadsheet I am utterly convinced that the most significant errors result from a particular meter's ability to correct for high or low hematocrit. Hematocrit is the percentage of red blood cells in total blood volume and meters tend to read high if this volume is low (anaemia) and the opposite for higher red cell counts.

To illustrate, here is a paper that graphically shows the comparative variances between 17 meters: http://sites.bu.edu/bionicpancreas/...rs-Ekhlaspour-J-Diabetes-Sci-Technol-2016.pdf

Now here's my point. Out of the 10 meters that I have accumulated only a couple of them have provided consistent, dependable results for my lowish hematocrit level. The remainder had been consigned to the U/S drawer once the initial phial of test strips had been used. What a waste, yet pharmaceutical companies make such obscene profits from test strips that they can afford to treat their respective glucometers as freebie sprats. Hence I would bet that in terms of meter design economic considerations far outweigh absolute technical attainment.

Devices with good hematocrit correction are few and far between. The GlucoRX HCT is one such meter and this fellow even simultaneously displays hematocrit percentage underneath the blood glucose readout. Regretfully I believe he is in a minority of one.

My question is, how many of us would be willing to pay sensible money for a cutting edge device that uses economical test strips, negates known interference issues such as hematocrit, and exhibits a superior standard of accuracy? This versus the present norm of essentially disposable meters and excessively expensive test strips.

So, my proposition is that pharmaceutical companies develop and charge for a top quality meter and factor back the cost of providing free devices. This could then be offset against the price of test strips, resulting in superior testing, less wasted resources and a more committed customer base.
Ha ha,;) I use 7 meters at the moment.
I habitually deploy 5 or 6 at any testing episode. I know how you feel:banghead:
Re being willing to pay more, my position is that, I pay enough as it is. I am not willing to pay anymore than what I do at the moment, which when all is considered is quite paltry. This is because I hunt for and purchase all my testing supplies from eBay most of the time.

Having read surveys etc, I have now decided to keep and use just 2 BG meters only for my testing
viz the freestyle Optium Neo and the Accu-Check Performa Nano.
I have the Glucomen lx2, it consistently gives a very high reading, being as I am practically obsessed with having a normal BG level, testing with that meter has meant for a lot of frustration, and needless angst.

As for my Ketone testing, I grudgingly will keep using the Glucomen Lx2 and the Freestyle optium
The freestyle optium ketone strips are not that easy to find at the price point I want. Whereas the Glucomen ketone strips are always available at the price point I want.
The careSens ketone strips never come up on eBay so that rules it out as a contender:dead:
 

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Ha ha,;) I use 7 meters at the moment.
I habitually deploy 5 or 6 at any testing episode. I know how you feel:banghead:
Re being willing to pay more, my position is that, I pay enough as it is. I am not willing to pay anymore than what I do at the moment, which when all is considered is quite paltry. This is because I hunt for and purchase all my testing supplies from eBay most of the time.

Having read surveys etc, I have now decided to keep and use just 2 BG meters only for my testing
viz the freestyle Optium Neo and the Accu-Check Performa Nano.
I have the Glucomen lx2, it consistently gives a very high reading, being as I am practically obsessed with having a normal BG level, testing with that meter has meant for a lot of frustration, and needless angst.

As for my Ketone testing, I grudgingly will keep using the Glucomen Lx2 and the Freestyle optium
The freestyle optium ketone strips are not that easy to find at the price point I want. Whereas the Glucomen ketone strips are always available at the price point I want.
The careSens ketone strips never come up on eBay so that rules it out as a contender:dead:
 

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Like you I found that the Glucomen LX2 reads at least 1 mmol higher than expected. Unfortunately I had already bagged 4 phials of Glucomen strips from good ol' eBay and my frugal nature wouldn't let me waste them.
Because I strongly suspected that the problem was directly related to low hematocrit I tracked down a Glucomen LX Plus which provides more representative readings for my HCT (it is one of the meters positively featured in the link I gave). Also, like the LX2 it also checks ketones.

Anyhow, despite the fact that I similarly chase down in-date bargains on eBay, I nevertheless contend that I would much rather pay a one off £100 or so for an accurate state-of-the-art meter than faff around with freebies whose results might range from inconsistent to downright high.
 

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Ha ha,;) I use 7 meters at the moment.
I habitually deploy 5 or 6 at any testing episode. I know how you feel:banghead:
Re being willing to pay more, my position is that, I pay enough as it is. I am not willing to pay anymore than what I do at the moment, which when all is considered is quite paltry. This is because I hunt for and purchase all my testing supplies from eBay most of the time.

Having read surveys etc, I have now decided to keep and use just 2 BG meters only for my testing
viz the freestyle Optium Neo and the Accu-Check Performa Nano.
I have the Glucomen lx2, it consistently gives a very high reading, being as I am practically obsessed with having a normal BG level, testing with that meter has meant for a lot of frustration, and needless angst.

As for my Ketone testing, I grudgingly will keep using the Glucomen Lx2 and the Freestyle optium
The freestyle optium ketone strips are not that easy to find at the price point I want. Whereas the Glucomen ketone strips are always available at the price point I want.
The careSens ketone strips never come up on eBay so that rules it out as a contender:dead:
Did you see the one I just posted a link to?
https://www.valuemed.co.uk/collecti...n-you-buy-50-on-call-blood-ketone-strips-here
50 strips and a free meter for £40? I'm going to use it for ketones only..
 
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I use the Accu-Chek Mobile. It is stated that clinically correct results are produced in a haematocrit range from 25% to 55%
(from the Accu Chek website)
I checked this because my haematocrits are above standard range, but not drastic.
 

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I just went by the difference in levels rather than assuming an accurate levels was being shown - though on checking up against the averages and the equivalent for my Hba1c score it seems there is close correlation extrapolating from there being a lot more after eating readings than befores.
I picked my meter up in Lidl.
 

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That really is a tremendous bargain, assuming of course that the on-costs stack up.
Please let us know what you think of the meter.
 

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With the present state of play, 75p a pop is very acceptable for those like myself who irregularly check for degree of ketosis on LCHF diet.

Not wishing to pee on your firework, but perhaps an even better future proposition is the Keya Smart Meter at 71p a pop including a simultaneous blood glucose test:
http://keyasmart.com/shop

Regretfully, a recent review criticised its accuracy so clearly worth waiting for the next incarnation.
https://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2017/12/keya-smart-meter-review-ketone-and-bg.html

Nevertheless, this is an example of what I was banging on about earlier. Expensive meter but relatively inexpensive test strips.
 

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With the present state of play, 75p a pop is very acceptable for those like myself who irregularly check for degree of ketosis on LCHF diet.

Not wishing to pee on your firework, but perhaps an even better future proposition is the Keya Smart Meter at 71p a pop including a simultaneous blood glucose test:
http://keyasmart.com/shop

Regretfully, a recent review criticised its accuracy so clearly worth waiting for the next incarnation.
https://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2017/12/keya-smart-meter-review-ketone-and-bg.html

Nevertheless, this is an example of what I was banging on about earlier. Expensive meter but relatively inexpensive test strips.
But I test my blood more often that I test ketones so that would make it a more expensive blood glucose monitor. I'm happy with my 12p codefree sugar tests.
 

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With the present state of play, 75p a pop is very acceptable for those like myself who irregularly check for degree of ketosis on LCHF diet.

Not wishing to pee on your firework, but perhaps an even better future proposition is the Keya Smart Meter at 71p a pop including a simultaneous blood glucose test:
http://keyasmart.com/shop

Regretfully, a recent review criticised its accuracy so clearly worth waiting for the next incarnation.
https://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2017/12/keya-smart-meter-review-ketone-and-bg.html

Nevertheless, this is an example of what I was banging on about earlier. Expensive meter but relatively inexpensive test strips.
Just saw the £95 for the meter too!
 

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The accuracy is mostly determined by the test strips rather than the meter. The strips deteriorate if they are not properly stored, so if you are particularly concerned about accuracy then buying them on Ebay doesn't sound like the best choice.
As regards haematocrit levels the TEE2 Plus meter which costs about £10 claims to cope with a range of 15% to 65%.
 

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The accuracy is mostly determined by the test strips rather than the meter. The strips deteriorate if they are not properly stored, so if you are particularly concerned about accuracy then buying them on Ebay doesn't sound like the best choice.
As regards haematocrit levels the TEE2 Plus meter which costs about £10 claims to cope with a range of 15% to 65%.
'Claims' is one thing and reality another. Please check the link in my original post to see the vast disparity that exists between meters, despite wide quoted hematocrit ranges.

Yes, I agree that the prime condition of strips is essential but doesn' t alter the fact that a record playing on a 10 grand hi-fi will reproduce better than on a 100 quid deck. In fact audiophiles will pay more than this for just a pair of leads.

Conversely, the present meter/strip situation is analogous to expensive vinyl being played on a cheap audio system.

Touche on buying strips from eBay.
 
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The accuracy is mostly determined by the test strips rather than the meter. The strips deteriorate if they are not properly stored, so if you are particularly concerned about accuracy then buying them on Ebay doesn't sound like the best choice.
As regards haematocrit levels the TEE2 Plus meter which costs about £10 claims to cope with a range of 15% to 65%.
I would not assume that because the test strips are bought on eBay they will be inaccurate due to poor storage as a matter of course.
Pharmacies, and Companies like Homehealth.UK.com, the Codefree people, SpiritHealth Care the Care-Sens people, all sell their products on eBay. Buying on eBay is not a "fell-off-the-back-of-a-lorry" scenario.
You can get an improperly stored item from a High street brick and mortar place, its a fact of life.
I have never had a problem with a test strip I bought on eBay.
 

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I would not assume that because the test strips are bought on eBay they will be inaccurate due to poor storage as a matter of course.
Pharmacies, and Companies like Homehealth.UK.com, the Codefree people, SpiritHealth Care the Care-Sens people, all sell their products on eBay. Buying on eBay is not a "fell-off-the-back-of-a-lorry" scenario.
You can get an improperly stored item from a High street brick and mortar place, its a fact of life.
I have never had a problem with a test strip I bought on eBay.
That told him!
 
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My Abbot and Accu-Chek strips cost me $1.30 for 100 at NDSS subsidised prices, and at the present time they are free as I hit the PBS safety net in July.