Metformin

Gsp

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Hi All
I am new to this forum. First thank you all for great contribution in this forum. I am T2 for last 6 years and manage it by diet ((LCHF) and exercise. My HbA1C is always below 5.5. I am not taking metformin. Is it beneficial taking metformin for diabetics even though not required for suger control ?

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JoKalsbeek

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Hi All
I am new to this forum. First thank you all for great contribution in this forum. I am T2 for last 6 years and manage it by diet ((LCHF) and exercise. My HbA1C is always below 5.5. I am not taking metformin. Is it beneficial taking metformin for diabetics even though not required for suger control ?

Gsp
Hi, and welcome,
I'll tag @daisy1 for her info sheet. But personally, I'd say you're doing fine without the Met. Are there other reasons you might want to try it, besides sugar control? Your profile says you're male, so I'm guessing you don't have ovarian cysts or anything? I responded rather badly to it (bowels were very, very unhappy), but if you have another reason to want to try it, like maybe wanting to relax the diet some, or maybe you heard it reduced the chances of developing cancer...? I don't see why not. If it's just because others use metformin though, and you think you should maybe do it too, you can leave it; your HbA1c is fine, and the most it does is stop your liver from dumping overmuch glucose in the morning, and it supressses hunger feelings. It's your call.

Again, welcome. And congrats on your excellent control!
Jo
 

daisy1

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@Gsp
Hello Gsp and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Gsp

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Hi, and welcome,
I'll tag @daisy1 for her info sheet. But personally, I'd say you're doing fine without the Met. Are there other reasons you might want to try it, besides sugar control? Your profile says you're male, so I'm guessing you don't have ovarian cysts or anything? I responded rather badly to it (bowels were very, very unhappy), but if you have another reason to want to try it, like maybe wanting to relax the diet some, or maybe you heard it reduced the chances of developing cancer...? I don't see why not. If it's just because others use metformin though, and you think you should maybe do it too, you can leave it; your HbA1c is fine, and the most it does is stop your liver from dumping overmuch glucose in the morning, and it supressses hunger feelings. It's your call.

Again, welcome. And congrats on your excellent control!
Jo

Hi Jo/daisy1
Thank you for the details. As I heard metformin help reduce insulin resistance thought is it worth taking it for that purpose.

Gsp
 

JoKalsbeek

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I reversed my Type 2
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Hi Jo/daisy1
Thank you for the details. As I heard metformin help reduce insulin resistance thought is it worth taking it for that purpose.

Gsp
Ah, I see. Well, something worth discussing with your doc then. Maybe ask for slow release metformin, as it is tolerated better than the regular kind? And do take it with food, as that too helps prevent an upset belly. :)
 

SimonCrox

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Good question about whether taking metformin just to reduce insulin resistance is worthwhile.
By getting your glucose level down, weight down and exercising, you have already reduced your insulin resistance, and this would be evidenced by your good glucose control.
Guidelines, for what they are worth, used to say that on diagnosis of DM, one should start matformin anyway with the reasoning that most folk would not manage their DM on diet alone (about 94% failed on diet in UKPDS at two years), so might as well start it anyway.
But if you are doing well, it is really difficult to decide one way or the other, eg metformin might have some benefit in aoiding heart attacks, but lifestyle changes as you have made are probably just as good.
So sorry, not being very helpful here, but there is no clear drive in someone like you to commence metformin.
Best wishes
 
M

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In my view, if you don’t need it, you don’t need it.

There’s also some discussion out there regarding medicated glucose control not being associated with improved long term health outcomes. That is to say that, in my opinion, achievement of glucose homeostasis without pharmaceuticals is the best way to be sure that you’re eating the very best possible diet for your body currently :)
 

Rachox

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I was started on Metformin on diagnosis with an HbA1c of 70. I continue on it despite my HbA1c being in the mid 30s for over a year. I did try dropping the dose in the summer but my weight loss stalled, I still need to lose around a stone and a half to achieve a healthy BMI. My weight loss recommenced once I raised the dose again. I don’t get side effects on just the standard formulation.
Here’s some info about it to help you decide, though I do wonder if your HCPs will agree to you taking it as your results are good without it.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2001/9/report_metformin/Page-01