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Militant Low Carbing & Body Shaming - What's Your View?
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ickihun
Master
I agree.
People will only ever see what they want to see.
Like a fat person must be gluttonous. All fat people..... Really?
Ignorance is all over but wisdom isn't.
Some GPs believe that obesity is due to overeating only. Even thou they are scientists they can still exhibit fat shaming and surround themselves with like minded people. Other bosses can do the same. They have a few people around them tell them what they want to hear. A gang who starts bullying those who don't think the same. It's textbook.
How many times have we seen it? Too many. Who can address the boss or GP practice owner? Unions or health authority complaints authority.
Out of experience the voice of the minority isn't easily heard.
Unless fatism becomes against the law.
The law has to be listened to.
Diversity is protected but not fatism.
I bet many a spokesman for racism or sexism has felt the same way as us.
What is the point of correcting ignorance which CAN turn into abuse?
Mbaker
Well-Known Member
I think this was a missed opportunity by the tweeter to "fact shame" rather than "fat shame". A few of us have recently had diabetes courses and received the same ..... which harms Type 2's - this is a disgrace. If I and others follow their ridiculous advice I am likely to experience complications and die earlier. Are there any other conditions where the establishment promote the least best (in my opinion) option. I honestly feel I am living in a parallel universe. No more excuses that the 40 year experiment exported everywhere is best , and that other dietary methods have not been proven.
The tweet reminded me of a march for a good cause hijacked by wreckers. If the tweeter would have said something like, this group may wish to individually comment if they are happy with the dietary advice they provide to Type 2's in the context of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of low carb successes both for diabetics and non-diabetics. And specifically are they happy with the current methodologies which have a "management" aspect towards the diabetes - I find it hard to accept that these professionals have not seen or heard of reduced carb alternaives and the positive outcomes.
I understand a party line, but how do they honestly look a Type 2 in the eye and say a diet closer to high carb managed by drugs is better than a low carb equivalent, given their expertise on macros and what they do, and knowing Type 2's tend to have insulin resistance and carb / sugar intolerance. Enough of the experiment, it clearly is not working.
The tweet reminded me of a march for a good cause hijacked by wreckers. If the tweeter would have said something like, this group may wish to individually comment if they are happy with the dietary advice they provide to Type 2's in the context of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of low carb successes both for diabetics and non-diabetics. And specifically are they happy with the current methodologies which have a "management" aspect towards the diabetes - I find it hard to accept that these professionals have not seen or heard of reduced carb alternaives and the positive outcomes.
I understand a party line, but how do they honestly look a Type 2 in the eye and say a diet closer to high carb managed by drugs is better than a low carb equivalent, given their expertise on macros and what they do, and knowing Type 2's tend to have insulin resistance and carb / sugar intolerance. Enough of the experiment, it clearly is not working.
MrsGruffy
Well-Known Member
Yeah.. No... not okay. At the GP surgery on Monday, I noticed a steady stream of older oompah loompah doctors. Not just pudgy, but frankly obese. So if the ability to give out advice on a topic relies on you following the advice yourself.. there's a lot of people who should be out of their jobs. Since we know that belly fat in particular is a result of insulin resistance, and not slothery or greed, then there's no room for victim blaming and shaming, which is what I see that tweet being a great example of.
I’m just joining this site. I’m type one (from surgery) but was low carber since 1972.
Well, there are a lot of reasons a body might be overweight. Including that facts that these poor folks might actually be TRYING to follow their own advice!
I went through a period in the 1980’s where I tried to eat whole grains and pasta.... almost as much as when I was pregnant!
Body shaming doesn’t work, IMO. Not even if the person you are shaming is yourself!
Well, there are a lot of reasons a body might be overweight. Including that facts that these poor folks might actually be TRYING to follow their own advice!
I went through a period in the 1980’s where I tried to eat whole grains and pasta.... almost as much as when I was pregnant!
Body shaming doesn’t work, IMO. Not even if the person you are shaming is yourself!
Prem51
Expert
Welcome to the forum @Caliallye!
Well you have a lot of self control. I would have strangled her lol. Grrrr. I have pressed 'funny' for the wonderful way you described her in your post. The situation is far from funny though and I wanted to give you a hug too.
ickihun
Master
I find some people eat in front of me to prove a point too. They normally add weight thou.
My mum, sister and brother-in-law have just realised their reactive eating junk and sugar now needs to stop but they are hugely addicted so they are having a job. Sister and brother-in-law is off to a fun fare American overeating holiday for 10days in 2mths time so their health carers have asked them to reduce their obese bodies first. Thank god. They lose as soon as they stop the junk.
It does remind me how difficult it is for me to lose in comparison. If I lost that easily I'd never be obese.
If only....... Well a girl can dream.
If only my bariatric surgery fixed all my weight loss blockage problems! Oh what a wonderful world I'd be in. Ha ha
I don't think my endo can do miracles.
I will give this chance my utmost in discipline and knowledge. I'm looking forward to tiny meals which my 5yrold can have too. Even 11yr old may be interested. He wants to start a gym but he has to be 14yr old here. He's very keen but I've told him he has to shed fat first the muscle build. So jogging, swimming and other cardio work will be needed first.
sally and james
Well-Known Member
I don't think Eddie was fat shaming, I think he is dietician shaming and that they have an awful lot to be ashamed about: Their advice, sponsorship by big food, harassment of those who are trying to improve things (Tim Noakes). The group of women in the picture are not the rank and file, simply trying to do their job and obeying orders, they are the ones in charge, the opinion leaders. They can be held responsible for what they do.
Sally
Sally
bulkbiker
BANNED
And I seriously wonder how many people have had amputations and sight problems due to the advice they have given out for years?
They maybe should not be "fat shamed" (even if I'm not convinced that's what the tweet was doing) but they sure as hell should be ashamed...
Guzzler
Master
Well said.
I agree they can be held responsible for what they do, but he was shaming them for their looks, not their works. He said 'Past chairs of the BDA, must have been rigidly following their own dietary advice.' so he is shaming some of them for being fat by making a joke about it. I would have said something like 'Past chairs of the BDA, I wonder how many amputations these people have caused by their awful dietary advice?'. This puts the shame where it should be - on the advice they gave, not on their looks. We don't know why any of them are fat or slim, but we do know their advice is awful and is harming people. Why water down the message by making a cheap joke?
Safi
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Really good point. I have no idea why my weight has barely moved in the past 30 years - it's almost freakishly stable regardless of what I'm doing. If I do put on a KG or two I can lose it without much effort. I've watched friends & loved ones make heroic efforts & get absolutely nowhere.
The advice these people give is seriously failing way too many people & their own bullying tactics are off the charts but their appearance should be off limits.
Yes, I can lose any 'new weight' quite effortlessly, but the old weight still remains stubborn to shift. I low carb, I would hate my photo to be shown to prove that low carbing doesn't work!
bulkbiker
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But don't dieticians "judge" people by their looks every single day of their working life?
Isn't that the core of their job?
Edit to add why would anyone be sent to see one otherwise? Do they send TOFI's to a dietician?
Any TOFI"S out there
Guzzler
Master
I have not been advised to see a dietician. And to add, being a TOFI, I beleive was the reason it took so long for me to be diagnosed. If I hadn't agreed to an MOT that showed up my screamingly high A1c I dread to think what might have happened. So, yes, there is a judgement call by HCPs as soon as one walks into the consulting room. And it is wrong.
Safi
Well-Known Member
Absolutely they do - some more so than others. I was told I was pre-diabetic over the telephone & when I asked the doctor what I should do she automatically said "lose weight" I guess she just assumed I was overweight. Once she bothered to look at my records she was at a total loss. No mention of diet or seeing a dietician.
I just think there is plenty to judge them for without resorting to & making assumptions based on their appearance.
Yes they do, and that's wrong too! We don't need to stoop so low as to copy them. Two wrongs don't make a right.
