milk versus cream

Alexandra100 · Feb 27, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
before tea is around 6 and after 2 hours after tea around 7

What do you eat for tea? And have you tried testing after 1hour, 1hr30, and 2hrs30 as well? I don't mean you should do that every time, but it may be that your bg peaks later or earlier than average. For example I can see 5.1 before a meal, 4.9 after 1 hour, 5.6 after 2, and then even 6 after 3. I am a bit of an extreme example, but you get the idea. The normal bg is supposed theoretically to rise to a peak after about 1hr and descend back pretty much back to pre-prandial levels after 2. But if it only gets up to the peak after 2hrs, and has come down by 3hrs, that seems to me to count about the same.

lucylocket61 · Feb 27, 2018

Sue192 said:
Apologies for the slight hijack of your thread with this probably really daft question, @lucylocket61. but it kind of fits in and I can't seem to find the answer: for those who are doing intermittent fasting, surely a coffee with cream brings you out of the fast? Or if you are IF-ing, you don't have them? I must admit my coffees with cream in the morning are beginning to resemble cream with coffee and I'd like to give IF a go.

I only have 30ml (2 tablespoons) of cream in my coffee as i am trying to keep my weight down, and possibly lose some more.

lucylocket61 · Feb 27, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
What do you eat for tea? And have you tried testing after 1hour, 1hr30, and 2hrs30 as well? I don't mean you should do that every time, but it may be that your bg peaks later or earlier than average. For example I can see 5.1 before a meal, 4.9 after 1 hour, 5.6 after 2, and then even 6 after 3. I am a bit of an extreme example, but you get the idea. The normal bg is supposed theoretically to rise to a peak after about 1hr and descend back pretty much back to pre-prandial levels after 2. But if it only gets up to the peak after 2hrs, and has come down by 3hrs, that seems to me to count about the same.

protein, and green veg with butter or salad with mayo

I have done the testing every 30 mins for up to 3 hours bit. My results, and my HbA1c would indicate that my testing results are corerct.

Alexandra100 · Feb 27, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
protein, and green veg with butter or salad with mayo

Crumbs, hard to get more low carb than that! Well done!

Alexandra100 · Feb 27, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
I have done the testing every 30 mins for up to 3 hours bit.

So where did the peak come, and when did it start to come down?

lucylocket61 · Feb 27, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
So where did the peak come, and when did it start to come down?

i dont understand. Its around 6 before my tea, and around 7 2 hours later.

Alexandra100 · Feb 27, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
i dont understand. Its around 6 before my tea, and around 7 2 hours later.

But if you tested every 30 minutes for 3 hours, you must have got some other readings besides before eating and 2 hours after?

lucylocket61 · Feb 27, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
But if you tested every 30 minutes for 3 hours, you must have got some other readings besides before eating and 2 hours after?

sorry, I'm having a tired day and didnt understand.

my testings were months ago, I cant remember, all I remember is that the reading went up for the first 1 1/2 to 2 hours, then gradually went back to normal around the 3 hour mark, depending on what I ate. Does that help?

It was those reading which made me give up rice and pasta, and reduce my potato (which I rarely eat now). Wholemeal bread, in moderation, still seems ok.

Bluetit1802 · Feb 27, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
So where did the peak come, and when did it start to come down?

Much depends on the nutrient content of the meal, in anyone, including non-diabetics. A lot of fat will keep levels elevated for longer than a low fat meal, but the actual level will be lower than it would be without the fat. A hump back bridge rather than a mountain peak.

jayney27 · Feb 27, 2018

maisiepug said:
I am in the same position, but unfortunately I just cannot give up my milky coffee in the morning, it is my only sin at the moment and make up for it by eating very low carb the rest of the day and I rarely go above 20/25 of carbs and get plenty of protein with the things I eat.

I’m like you I have a cappuccino every morning, it’s my one treat from before diagnosis that I didn’t want to give up and seem to get away with

ketointheuk · Feb 27, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
No, they seem to vary between just over 0.5g carbs per 100g and 2g carbs per 100g. This may sound trivial to you, but it is not nil. Almonds and soya beans both contain carbs, so a milk made from them must also contain carbs, although less because of all the water that has been added.

Oh it's not trivial for me I just switched yogurt for a .2g difference carbs per 100g so I am careful about this, that's why I stopped buying Almond Breeze which used to be 0.5g per 100ml for Alpro which for wholebe bean soya unsweetened and almond unsweetened was updated to 0.1 last year and are now labelled as nil (and I bothered them to check, I suspect Tesco, sainsbury's roddas and most food pr companies I keep working most days to check labels )

jcbman · Feb 28, 2018

ketointheuk said:
Oh it's not trivial for me I just switched yogurt for a .2g difference carbs per 100g so I am careful about this, that's why I stopped buying Almond Breeze which used to be 0.5g per 100ml for Alpro which for wholebe bean soya unsweetened and almond unsweetened was updated to 0.1 last year and are now labelled as nil (and I bothered them to check, I suspect Tesco, sainsbury's roddas and most food pr companies I keep working most days to check labels )

Erm, ok.

Do many low carbers have to do this?

Alexandra100 · Feb 28, 2018

jcbman said:
Erm, ok.

Do many low carbers have to do this?

In order to see bg readings anywhere near where I want them to be, yes, I have to keep my carb intake under 20g daily, so every half g carb counts. If you had only £20 a week to spend, you'd think carefully before you spent 50p.

Alexandra100 · Feb 28, 2018

ketointheuk said:
Oh it's not trivial for me I just switched yogurt for a .2g difference carbs per 100g so I am careful about this, that's why I stopped buying Almond Breeze which used to be 0.5g per 100ml for Alpro which for wholebe bean soya unsweetened and almond unsweetened was updated to 0.1 last year and are now labelled as nil (and I bothered them to check, I suspect Tesco, sainsbury's roddas and most food pr companies I keep working most days to check labels )

I'm still puzzled. Plain unsalted almonds have c. 9g carbs per 100g. I find 9 small almonds weigh about 10g. So just 9 small almonds give 0.9g carbs. How can an almond milk have less carbs than that? Do they just wave the almonds over the almond milk and take them away again?

Bluetit1802 · Feb 28, 2018

jcbman said:
Erm, ok.

Do many low carbers have to do this?

Not me, for sure.

Today I had 2 more mugs of tea with skimmed milk than normal, almost one after the other. Do I care? No. I needed them and I enjoyed them. It won't make an iota of difference to my BS health, but made a big difference to how I was feeling at the time.

I think some folk are allowing diabetes to rule their lives. It is one thing controlling this disease, but allowing it to control us is quite another in my opinion. Nutrition labels and other sources of carb counts are notoriously variable depending where you look. Things are rounded up and rounded down. Things are estimated. Things are guessed. The stress involved is possibly more of a BS riser than the odd gram of carbs, surely?

lucylocket61 · Feb 28, 2018

I think some people have lower tolerance to carbs and more of a reaction.
some are finding harder to stay in safe levels without upping or taking medication
some are trying to preserve their beta cells

or any combination of the above.

More evidence that we are all different, both in our diabetes, and in our approach to dealing with it.

Mr_Pot · Feb 28, 2018

Alexandra100 said:
I'm still puzzled. Plain unsalted almonds have c. 9g carbs per 100g. I find 9 small almonds weigh about 10g. So just 9 small almonds give 0.9g carbs. How can an almond milk have less carbs than that? Do they just wave the almonds over the almond milk and take them away again?

I am not sure how the maths works out but Alpro Almond Milk for example is only 2% almond.

Alexandra100 · Feb 28, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
I think some people have lower tolerance to carbs and more of a reaction.
some are finding harder to stay in safe levels without upping or taking medication
some are trying to preserve their beta cells

or any combination of the above.

More evidence that we are all different, both in our diabetes, and in our approach to dealing with it.

On second thoughts I should have hit the "winner" button.

What are people thinking, sniping at those of us who are driven to desperate measures and sacrifices in the (perhaps vain) hope of improving or just maintaining our health? Would you also deride people who avoid alcohol in the hope of overcoming their alcoholism, or people who try to stick to an ultra low calorie diet because they long to stop being obese. If you can't bring yourselves to be encouraging, at least leave us in peace to try and help each other. Anything else feels to me like bullying and is IMO totally inappropriate here. If you really want to discuss whether very low carb is a good idea, why not start your own thread?

Alexandra100 · Feb 28, 2018

Mr_Pot said:
I am not sure how the maths works out but Alpro Almond Milk for example is only 2% almond.

So does it really taste better than water?

Mr_Pot · Feb 28, 2018

Bluetit1802 said:
Not me, for sure.

Today I had 2 more mugs of tea with skimmed milk than normal, almost one after the other. Do I care? No. I needed them and I enjoyed them. It won't make an iota of difference to my BS health, but made a big difference to how I was feeling at the time.

I think some folk are allowing diabetes to rule their lives. It is one thing controlling this disease, but allowing it to control us is quite another in my opinion. Nutrition labels and other sources of carb counts are notoriously variable depending where you look. Things are rounded up and rounded down. Things are estimated. Things are guessed. The stress involved is possibly more of a BS riser than the odd gram of carbs, surely?

I totally agree. My approach has been to balance low carb with lifestyle. I may not achieve ultra low HbA1c but if I make LC easy then I am more likely to keep to it for the rest of my life.

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