Once again, thank you all for the great advice (and the humour!)
I feel way better than I did when I posted the questions
librarising said:The advice you'll get invoiced for at the end of each calendar month.
I hear Xyzzy and Grazer come a bit expensiveroblem:
Their advice is only expensive because very few people who hear it are still alive at the end of the month...
wiflib wrote
What keeps Borofergie quiet then?
xyzzy said:David
A lot of this really is counter-intuitive and goes against what most people have been told is a healthy diet. Now the problem is before you were T2D it probably was relatively healthy advice but not any more.
It really isn't just about sugar. Its about carbs. Sugar is just one kind of really powerful sort of carbs but other carbs do just as much damage. What I suggest you do is what I did. Rumage through all the stuff you have in your cupboards and fridge and look at the label on the backs of all the packets. The figure you need to pay attention to is the one called "Total Carbohydrate" Next to it will usually be a number which is how much carbohydrate in grams that stuff has per 100 grams of weight of that stuff. Get yourself an idea of the numbers associated with different kinds of food so for example:
Rice is usually around 75 / 100
Pasta is usually around 75 / 100
Chicken is 0 / 100
Cheddar Cheese is 0.1 / 100
An Egg is 0.3 / 100
Frozen mixed veg 5 / 100
Plain yoghurt 7 / 100
Strawberry yoghurt 14 / 100
Strawberries 4 / 100
So three quarters of rice IS carbs very, very bad for a diabetic as is pasta. You'll find potatoes, most bread and most breakfast cereals are in the same league which is why I and everyone else will tell you to cut them right down. Some of us have cut them right out.
Chicken contains no carbs, brilliant!
Cheese is pretty much no carbs, brilliant!
Eggs are like cheese, brilliant!
Yoghurt, veg, "berries" have relatively low carbs but have some.
Semi skimmed milk has more carbs than full fat milk - :***: lots of members drink the full fat stuff! I still do semi skimmed though.
Same thing applies to yoghurts. Full fat yoghurt has less carbs than the low fat stuff. The reason? When they take the fat of of stuff they have to replace it with something. That something is usually carb based.
Next I suggest you just weigh out straight from the packet 25g or 1oz of plain white rice. Not a lot is it? That's how much rice I can tolerate without my levels going dangerous. Swap that for brown basmati rice and I can double the amount. Still not a lot though. I found out from other members that my tolerance to carbs is quite low but even the hardy ones can probably only get away with twice that amount of rice or pasta as I can which is still loads less than you were eating I bet.
I admit as a newly diagnosed on this forum you are putting a hell of a lot of trust in non professionals who tell you what you should be eating. My reply to you is quite straightforward. On December 8th 2011 I did my first test it came back as 21.7. Yesterday my highest reading was 5.2. On December 22nd 2011 my HbA1c was 11.3% on April 20th 2012 it was 5.3% a 6% drop in 3 months. I am not the only one to get these kind of results loads of forum members have from way before my time.
When I started I took the view that the important think was to normalise my levels and to do that I ripped up the book on healthy eating for a couple months. I ate bacon, egg and mushroom fry-ups most days, stuffed so much cheese I grew whiskers, ate omelettes till I was sick of the sight of an egg but day by day my levels came down and miraculously at the same time as eating all this unhealthy stuff I started to lose loads of weight. In 4 months I've dropped 3 stone and 8 inches off my waist measurement. The crunch for me came in April when I not only had the new HbA1c done but also a retest for cholesterol. Needn't have worried despite all those evil fats I'd eaten then, for the first time in years, my cholesterol levels were normal and my good cholesterol had increased dramatically.
Like many members I had real problems convincing my dsn that what I was doing wasn't insane but give her credit she said when she saw my 3 month results she was speechless. In fact she was far more impressed with my cholesterol results than she was with my blood levels. She was so impressed she insisted she booked a double end of the day appointment with the practice specialist diabetic gp so I could tell him what I'd done.
So without wishing to sound a real pain. Here I sit with my 5.3% HbA1c, normal cholesterol and a BMI back in the normal range just under 20 weeks further down the T2D road than you are now. 20 weeks not a long time but that 20 weeks has undoubtedly saved my life.
RoyG said:Very clear sound advice xyzzy, I read your posts with gusto and they drive and inspire me, you never falter with the clarity and concise information just what a newly diagnosed Diabetic needs. why don't you put all this info on a single thread.
xyzzy said:RoyG said:Very clear sound advice xyzzy, I read your posts with gusto and they drive and inspire me, you never falter with the clarity and concise information just what a newly diagnosed Diabetic needs. why don't you put all this info on a single thread.
Roy like I said to you the other day sometimes it pays to be angry and tonight is one of those nights. I will write my reply based on how I feel at the moment which is well pi**ed off.
When you joined and I (or Grazer or Viv or whoever) told you what helped us or when other T2's like us then came in and backed us up to re-enforce our initial message to you we are just about "tolerated" in doing so. It's rightly frowned upon to have an argument on a thread a any new member starts it's not "etiquette" but other threads well they're fair game.
Remember Roy I've only been here 5 months others have been trying to put the same message over for years and those same voices have opposed that message all the way despite all the evidence from not just forum members overjoyed to get their life back but also increasingly from research around the world that says what we advocate works and works well for the average newly diagnosed T2.
When we try and move the debate on in anyway... well you can see what happens. If we put all our advise in one thread it would just get the normal troll and trash treatment as we all saw earlier. The thread would get locked or taken down, it happens nearly every time in the end. Like I said earlier I don't understand what motivates these people and they never have any positive criticism or ideas. They can see from mine and other T2's sigs how well we do. Why they constantly try and stop us get our self respect back and our lives sorted out is beyond me.
So that's the honest reason Roy why my advice (and others like me) isn't in it's own thread and unless the Admin team ban me I'm not going to stop pushing that message as it saves lives and limbs something these people seem to ignore.
Right I'm off to help carilina some more.
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