My experience

[chris55561612]

Hi all, this is my first post. I wrote a comment today on youtube about my experiences with diabetes and I thought: "hey maybe this could help someone else", so I signed up here. It occurs to me that you might have heard this all before as, to be honest, I haven't given the other threads much of a look threw, but here it goes anyway:

+Julie “JulieTheRockChick” hermiz Hi, chromium has helped me, I never got diagnosed with type 2 but carbs and sugar would make me feel terrible and I would also wake up in the night with adrenaline. I restricted my diet to porridge, nuts and buckwheat to help me feel more normal. When I did have say, a bowl of tomato soup, it would knock me out and would have to sleep for about an hour. Buckwheat in the form of buckwheat pasta or groats(its natural form) is fantastic for a constant energy level. I had to do a lot of exercise too, to feel better. Cinnamon dropped my energy too much every time I tried to use it but ymmv. I would add kidney beans, onion, broccoli and canned tomatoes to go with the buckwheat pasta and some spices too and I still got an excellent energy level from the meal because of a chemical in the buckwheat. I have read about vanadium since but I never took it. Honestly, buckwheat was great to use and buckwheat and chromium worked almost like magic. One thing I realized about chromium is that the cheap tablets are garbage, I had to use a high quality nano sized particle chromium supplement (in liquid) to be effective. I have been trying going on a ketogenic diet since i.e. making my body run on fats instead of glucose, but I might go back to a low gi diet again and take chromium (and vanadium this time).

PS I have always, that I can remember, been very acidic i.e. even as a teenager I was having acid reflux. I guess maybe because of all the diet coke I would drink after and during school hours. I have tried using alkalinizing powders before but I have found that eating lots of vegetables works best for me and avoiding wheat products helps a lot as well. Wheat things made me have acid reflux quite badly afterwards. I think exercise is really important too.

So in summary I would, if I were you: Take chromium (ionic, nano sized particles, in a liquid) and vanadium (same deal on quality). Make buckwheat your major source of carbs in your meals, add steamed broccili, kale, cauliflower or beans (i.e. chickpeas, kidney beans, butter beans) and eat some raw veggies i.e. cucumber, lettuce, celery etc and if you have a meal with a lot of buckwheat you can add tinned tomatoes too. Some nuts are great for energy i.e. brazil, macadamia.

Avoid the saturated fat in meat or dairy (they really screwed up my energy while on a carbs based diet (UPDATE: actually I can't remember if was using chromium at that time, that could make a big difference)). If you are a protein person or just want some protein, steamed fish, squid, prawns, shellfish are all good. Take some trace minerals too, colloidal works fine for me; If you have tooth sensitivity or weak knees or suffer from cramps I find that it really helps! Obviously avoid refined carbs and do lots of exercise; Just a stationary bike machine is enough, maybe try to have a good session in the morning and another in the evening and see how it makes you feel, hopefully much better.

So that's what I would write to myself if I could go back in time and give my old self some good advice

FYI I have never been on insulin but I did go for a test at a local(ish) GP's practice to have access to that treatment. The problem for me at the time was that they said I had to fast for 24 hours before taking the test (this was before I had learnt about chromium) and I thought to myself " how the heck am I going to function without eating for 24 hours" because I knew that if I didn't eat porridge or buckwheat meals on a very regular basis I would feel terrible. The solution I figured was to do lots and lots of exercise in the morning before the test so that I would feel well enough to take the bus and walk to the GP's office; So that's what I did, I still felt horrible when I took the test and when the results came back it said I had a normal blood sugar level ! In hindsight, I realize now that all the exercise must have used up all or most of the excess sugar in my blood. It took me a while to figure that out though and so I abandoned insulin as a solution.

*End of my youtube comment*

These are own experiences and while I do think different peoples body chemistry's can vary I'm still hoping that it might be valuable to someone else PS I don't mean to sound like a "know it all" by putting "solutions" in the title, I just thought more people might bother to click on and read my thread. ^_^

 

[CarbsRok]

So in summary I would, if I were you: Take chromium (ionic, nano sized particles, in a liquid) and vanadium (same deal on quality). Make buckwheat your major source of carbs in your meals, add steamed broccili, kale, cauliflower or beans (i.e. chickpeas, kidney beans, butter beans) and eat some raw veggies i.e. cucumber, lettuce, celery etc and if you have a meal with a lot of buckwheat you can add tinned tomatoes too. Some nuts are great for energy i.e. brazil, macadamia.

Obviously you come highly qualified, in what I know not.

 

[chris55561612]

Obviously you come highly qualified, in what I know not.

Maybe you are right, but you don't know what are you talking about necessarily. I'm sure you think you do, just like me. Thanks for you snide comment though, considering I am only trying to help. What was the point of your comment? oh yes, just to voice your own opinion that doesn't matter to anyone who can make up their own mind.

If you have tried buckwheat and don't agree that it's one of, if not, the most suitable carb source for a diabetic then fair enough buddy. If you have tried chromium and vanadium with no benefits, then fair enough. Here's a link about buckwheat lowering the blood sugar levels in animals http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20031121/buckwheat-may-help-manage-diabetes and I'm telling you that it has really helped me.

 

[ladybird64]

I'm confused Chris. You said you're not diabetic? Why would you want access to insulin if you had a normal blood glucose result?
I've never heard of a 24hour fasting test for diabetes either. I'm not disagreeing with your post because I know nothing about buckwheat, however there are a lot of people on this forum that eat low carb and certainly don't shy away from saturated fat.

Maybe some clarification could help, thanks

 

[Lamont D]

Hi. I read your lifestyle report and I'm quite impressed, that you have found a way to control your condition. Well done!
However, for me and many others this so called super food like porridge, is far too high in carbs for us to try and would give really quick spikes and higher our blood glucose levels.
So I certainly won't be trying it, I googled buckwheat and it is nearly 70% carbs!
Fats is another cause of contention as full fat or saturated fat is now considered healthy and natural.
As for the supplements, why do you need to take them unless you are not getting adequate mineral sources from the foods you eat, have you a deficiency in some natural vitamins, but who am I to ask questions of a really good interesting read. Thanks for that!
Other ways of tackling blood glucose disorders are always welcome!

 

[chris55561612]

I'm confused Chris. You said you're not diabetic? Why would you want access to insulin if you had a normal blood glucose result?
I've never heard of a 24hour fasting test for diabetes either. I'm not disagreeing with your post because I know nothing about buckwheat, however there are a lot of people on this forum that eat low carb and certainly don't shy away from saturated fat.

Maybe some clarification could help, thanks

Hi, yeah I was never diagnosed with diabetes type 2 because the test I took showed I had normal blood sugar, but I was suffering from the symptoms i.e. massive crashes after eating refined carbs, waking up in the middle of the night sweating and being unable to get back to sleep unless I ate something, like porridge. After work I would sometimes have a tomato soup and feel so tired afterwards I would sleep for an hour or so. I never meant to say I wasn't diabetic, just that I was never diagnosed, but I did try to get diagnosed. At the time I had no idea why the test was showing that I had normal blood sugar, but I later attributed that to all exercise I did that morning, to make myself feel better, because I found the 24 fast rule brutal.

Saturated fats don't make me feel bad on their own, just when I eat them and then eat carbs. I don't know why that doesn't happen for other people. Maybe they are on insulin and it help them? Saturated fats are great for energy by themselves but not with carbs for me, for some reason.

 

[zand]

If the test showed you had normal blood sugar, then you probably weren't diabetic?

 

[ladybird64]

Ah, I understand, thanks. Re the saturated fats, many of us here (but not all!) follow the LCHF way of eating, low carb and high fat so that may explain why it's not something that crops up that often. For those that do eat this way, it looks like buckwheat is something that wouldn't be suitable at all, 70%carb is an unacceptable level. Porridge is another food that is often recommended but that causes spikes in blood glucose levels. I'm unsure about the exercise to be honest, I'm aware that it can lower levels but not if it would lower them enough to produce a "normal" test result? Have you ever monitored your own blood glucose levels? It might be an idea, then you can see where you stand after you have tried foods that affect you, whether you do have levels that would point to diabetes.

 

[chris55561612]

Hi. I read your lifestyle report and I'm quite impressed, that you have found a way to control your condition. Well done!
However, for me and many others this so called super food like porridge, is far too high in carbs for us to try and would give really quick spikes and higher our blood glucose levels.
So I certainly won't be trying it, I googled buckwheat and it is nearly 70% carbs!
Fats is another cause of contention as full fat or saturated fat is now considered healthy and natural.
As for the supplements, why do you need to take them unless you are not getting adequate mineral sources from the foods you eat, have you a deficiency in some natural vitamins, but who am I to ask questions of a really good interesting read. Thanks for that!
Other ways of tackling blood glucose disorders are always welcome!

Hi, thanks for saying that. It's interesting because porridge has been great for me. I even have it with rice milk which is quite high carb but it doesn't give me a crash and gives me energy for a long time. I think it's because, although it's high in carbs, the carbs get absorbed quite slowly. As for buckwheat, it is suppose to have a chemical in it that lowers blood sugar levels. I first tried it because I was desperately researching the internet for other options other than porridge and stumbled across some research about it lowering blood sugar levels.

I recommended trace minerals because I have had pretty bad tooth sensitivity in the past and have had the most awful cramps and trace minerals seem to have solved both those things for me, but not it's really related to diabetes. Chromium was amazing for my energy levels. Here is a link with a short video about it

I learnt about chromium as a supplement for diabetics a long time before I found this video. To be honest I was trying all kinds of things to try and help myself at that point.

 

[chris55561612]

Ah, I understand, thanks. Re the saturated fats, many of us here (but not all!) follow the LCHF way of eating, low carb and high fat so that may explain why it's not something that crops up that often. For those that do eat this way, it looks like buckwheat is something that wouldn't be suitable at all, 70%carb is an unacceptable level. Porridge is another food that is often recommended but that causes spikes in blood glucose levels. I'm unsure about the exercise to be honest, I'm aware that it can lower levels but not if it would lower them enough to produce a "normal" test result? Have you ever monitored your own blood glucose levels? It might be an idea, then you can see where you stand after you have tried foods that affect you, whether you do have levels that would point to diabetes.

Thanks for the reply, that's really interesting. I'm surprised porridge causes blood glucose spikes in others but that's good to know. No, I haven't been testing my own blood glucose level, I guess because I felt so bad, I just focused my energy on finding foods that didn't make me feel awful, but I know that I should! As for buckwheat, I think it might be an anomaly in the sense that it contains a rare chemical, there is a link about its blood sugar lowering properties in post #3 but no problem if not interested The exercise theory is the only explanation I really have that makes sense, to me at least.

 

[Lamont D]

Having done all the diets that have been recommended, the only one that has worked for me is very low carb.
Any grains, sugars and even complex carbs are bad for my blood glucose levels.
My medical team are so impressed with my results, and can't believe that I don't eat carbs at all except those in natural fats and salad vegetables. Which is really low!
We don't need those types of carbs, I am in permanent ketosis and body is healthy not just for my age but in general.
CArbs are bad for diabetics and when the medical establishment gets its head out its **** and realises this, maybe, the population will be educated properly in dietary needs in people with blood glucose disorders.
I wouldn't take anything supplemental because unless you have a vitamin deficiency, there is no need!
You should try the low carb, full fat diet, maybe your good results may turn into great results!
Have a look at the success stories on the forum and then read the low carb forum, it has great ideas and recipes, without high carbs!

 

[ladybird64]

Oh dear - I'm afraid this has rattled my cage Chris! I'm always open to other's viewpoints, what works for one may not work for another and I appreciate that. There's a couple of things that irritate about this guy - I'll be honest and say I haven't watched the vid (sound screwed on the PC) but anything that talks of a "cure" for type 2, puts me off straight away. A cure means that something has gone, that it is no longer there. So, whatever that is done to elicit the cure, can be stopped and the condition will not be there anymore? Nope, it's not the case. We control our condition, by diet, or meds, or whatever - but we don't cure it, because a cure does not exist, this much we know. If we return to whatever state we were in prior to making changes, the condition is still there and will return so to use the word cure is a falsehood.
Secondly, and I don't want to get too far away from topic as this is a forum for diabetes connected issues -chemotherapy. 97% waste of time apparently according to this guy (a "wholistic" doctor apparently). One of the titles of his books "everyone is sick and I know why" kind of says it all, sorry Chris but I think he's a quack. That "waste of time" is why I'm sitting here typing this after being months away from death last year, having been diagnosed with a rare and advanced cancer. Having been involved in it, and talking to others about it, I know there are people who place their trust in minerals and supplements, under the belief that they will be cured. They're not and to fill people with false hope is just plain wrong in my opinion. But it's only my opinion, others may disagree.

Back to the diabetes - the list of bad foods that he cites are what many here use, coconut oil is just one. Many of us fry our food. Many of us type 2's could not get away with eating the foods that he advocates, it would push glucose levels up . The majority here test their own blood, and that is how we know what we can and cannot eat, the general consensus is that carby foodstuffs do damage as they produce high levels. With this information, the majority can improve their readings, lower their levels and in turn, gain better control of their diabetes.

While you're here, why not have a look around the forum? There are a lot of successes to read about.

 

[chris55561612]

Having done all the diets that have been recommended, the only one that has worked for me is very low carb.
Any grains, sugars and even complex carbs are bad for my blood glucose levels.
My medical team are so impressed with my results, and can't believe that I don't eat carbs at all except those in natural fats and salad vegetables. Which is really low!
We don't need those types of carbs, I am in permanent ketosis and body is healthy not just for my age but in general.
CArbs are bad for diabetics and when the medical establishment gets its head out its **** and realises this, maybe, the population will be educated properly in dietary needs in people with blood glucose disorders.
I wouldn't take anything supplemental because unless you have a vitamin deficiency, there is no need!
You should try the low carb, full fat diet, maybe your good results may turn into great results!
Have a look at the success stories on the forum and then read the low carb forum, it has great ideas and recipes, without high carbs!

Hi, what a wonderful post, thanks. I think that your diet sounds great. I'm not surprised that your medical team are super impressed . I know, from experience the power of ketosis, i'm actually on it right now and I don't have to take chromium or vanadium on it, but... i'm only 29 and I would like to drink alcohol with friends, especially if I go back to University. My original post was to a very young woman, younger than me, on youtube, who sounded very depressed about having recently been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes so I figured that she might feel the same way as I do and could do with some advice. Permanent ketosis is my back up plan. I have lost so much weight while being on it and I can abstain from eating for a really long time and I feel just fine and so it has really been a huge, no, massive improvement over my old low gi carb diet without chromium and even with chromium supplementation I think I feel better on ketosis, but that's why I want to try that diet again with vanadium as well. I could have it all!!! =) I will look at other peoples stories as you suggest =)

 

[chris55561612]

Oh dear - I'm afraid this has rattled my cage Chris! I'm always open to other's viewpoints, what works for one may not work for another and I appreciate that. There's a couple of things that irritate about this guy - I'll be honest and say I haven't watched the vid (sound screwed on the PC) but anything that talks of a "cure" for type 2, puts me off straight away. A cure means that something has gone, that it is no longer there. So, whatever that is done to elicit the cure, can be stopped and the condition will not be there anymore? Nope, it's not the case. We control our condition, by diet, or meds, or whatever - but we don't cure it, because a cure does not exist, this much we know. If we return to whatever state we were in prior to making changes, the condition is still there and will return so to use the word cure is a falsehood.
Secondly, and I don't want to get too far away from topic as this is a forum for diabetes connected issues -chemotherapy. 97% waste of time apparently according to this guy (a "wholistic" doctor apparently). One of the titles of his books "everyone is sick and I know why" kind of says it all, sorry Chris but I think he's a quack. That "waste of time" is why I'm sitting here typing this after being months away from death last year, having been diagnosed with a rare and advanced cancer. Having been involved in it, and talking to others about it, I know there are people who place their trust in minerals and supplements, under the belief that they will be cured. They're not and to fill people with false hope is just plain wrong in my opinion. But it's only my opinion, others may disagree.

Back to the diabetes - the list of bad foods that he cites are what many here use, coconut oil is just one. Many of us fry our food. Many of us type 2's could not get away with eating the foods that he advocates, it would push glucose levels up . The majority here test their own blood, and that is how we know what we can and cannot eat, the general consensus is that carby foodstuffs do damage as they produce high levels. With this information, the majority can improve their readings, lower their levels and in turn, gain better control of their diabetes.

While you're here, why not have a look around the forum? There are a lot of successes to read about.

Fair enough, to be honest, I never thought that it was meant to be a real cure because when I have taken chromium in the past I found that I had to take it every day to get the benefits and so I had assumed that that was his meaning. I only first saw him and his video about a week ago but I have known about the benefits of chromium for a while and I was super impressed that he mentioned it and then also mentioned vanadium and that got me even more excited because I had never heard about vanadium before. Maybe too excited. I take your point about his other stuff being very fringe. Yes, he poo poos coconut oil because of oxidation not showing up in the taste very much like it does for butter or lard (according to him) and I was surprised about that and I myself have been using quite a lot of coconut oil recently. I linked him, more than anything just to add another source other than myself about the benefits of chromium but maybe it was a mistake.

Thanks for your response and I definitely will look up other peoples success stories on the forum.

 

[Daphne917]

Forgive me if I've misunderstood but if your blood sugar is normal you probably don't have diabetes therefore why are you looking for a cure for a condition that you do not have? Through eating low carb and full fat my hba1c is 36 which is classed as normal but I do not consider myself cured as I know that if I eat too many carbs then my BS rises which is OK on the odd occasion because I know it falls again within 2-4 hours however I wouldn't like to do it too much.

 

[mrspuddleduck]

Hi @chris55561612 sorry I am really confused! You have said earlier that your blood sugars are normal & that your not been diagnosed as a type 2, but your profile says you're a type 1.5!!!!! Whilst I appreciate your comments about your symptoms, are you actually a diagnosed diabetic???
The reason I ask is self diagnosis can be a dangerous thing. I've read your posts and to be honest your 'symptoms' could be contributed to several things, not just diabetes. In light of the fact that you believe your blood sugars are 'normal' I would advise you to see a doctor for proper investigation. I wish you well, but I am concerned that you may be taking yourself down a path that is detracting from your real problem.

 

[CarbsRok]

Hi all, this is my first post. I wrote a comment today on youtube about my experiences with diabetes and I thought: "hey maybe this could help someone else", so I signed up here

Slight problem you have no experience of diabetes in any shape or form.

 

[martsnow]

I know I am going to get slated for this:-

Firstly you have no experience of being diabetic and secondly, why are you trying to cure yourself, when there is nothing wrong with you?.

I am more than a little concerned with your state of mind. You wont go to the Drs for a diagnosis, and I ask myself why. It would probably prove that you are not diabetic.

All the members on this forum are expert in their own field that is diabetes, you my friend are not. Your obsession with "your treatment" is just that "an obsession". I think you should ask your G.P for some kind of further investigations into your general health.

Edited by a moderator to remove impolite comment.

 

[chris55561612]

Hi @chris55561612 sorry I am really confused! You have said earlier that your blood sugars are normal & that your not been diagnosed as a type 2, but your profile says you're a type 1.5!!!!! Whilst I appreciate your comments about your symptoms, are you actually a diagnosed diabetic???
The reason I ask is self diagnosis can be a dangerous thing. I've read your posts and to be honest your 'symptoms' could be contributed to several things, not just diabetes. In light of the fact that you believe your blood sugars are 'normal' I would advise you to see a doctor for proper investigation. I wish you well, but I am concerned that you may be taking yourself down a path that is detracting from your real problem.

Hi, I realized last night that when I went to get diagnosed I probably wasn't truly diabetic because it was some time after that, while at university, that my blood glucose control problems became really bad. It was the main reason I dropped out. I was drinking coffee with lots of sugar in just to make it through the lectures (at that time I knew nothing really about nutrition). The fact that I forgot this bit of information is frustrating. It was at uni too that I started waking up in the night on adrenaline as well, but I had been feeling bad after eating carbs for a long time before this, which is why I went to take the test in the first place. I would guess I was only insulin resistant at that point. I also think that high levels of exercise could skew a blood glucose test result because my muscles, of course, run on glucose (I was not on a ketogenic diet at the time for sure, I started that after university) and I had to do a lot of exercise to feel significantly better. The reason I don't go to a GP now is because I believe strong that I do have diabetes and I would rather be on a ketogenic diet for the rest of my life than to go on insulin personally . The truth is, I have battled my problems, that I subscribe to have been caused by type 2 diabetes, without insulin and I wanted to share some, what I perceive to be, useful information. As for my profile, I didn't take the time to really fill it in probably, If I had I would have selected type 2 diabetes.

 

[Jaylee]

Hi,

Quite encouraging the use of chromium in tests on type 2 mice..

I have mice with a similar issue to your symptoms regarding the ones you described... (The whole needing to eat in the night thing.)

Do you think buckwheat on a loaded trap would encourage them to take the bait..?