My Hypo Seizure Story

ashleyp

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Hi all,

Firstly I'd like to start with a brief trigger warning. I know full well of the stressors and anxieties that come living with Type 1 Diabetes and for most what I'm about to speak about will never become a reality. So if you'd like to keep your mind clear of what could happen, then I'd recommend leaving it here - we already have enough to deal with!

There is a moral to this story and I'll put it here too in case you don't want to read on:

If you are lucky enough to have access to a CGM with alarms, do not turn off your low alarm, no matter how annoying it is throughout the night!


Now, onto the juicy stuff...

A quick bit of data for reference - 33yo male, diagnosed type 1 in 2012 at age 21, controlled by insulin injections (fiasp/tresiba) with libre 2 sensor.

On Saturday October 19th I was enjoying a weekend away in the Cotswolds with family sharing a large airbnb to explore Bourton-on-the-water and Jeremy Clarksons Hawkstone brewery. A completely normal Saturday with nothing out of the ordinary - breakfast at Daylesford Farm, a few pints at the brewery, dinner in a nice pub and then back to the airbnb for some games around the fire.

That evening we went to bed around 11pm. At 1am my partner was awoken by me fitting in the bed next to her. Whilst fitting she said she heard what she can only describe as someone breaking 2 pieces of wood over their knee. We'd later find out that this was both of my shoulders dislocating and the bones breaking simultaneously.

Having been together for 9 years now she's well aware of hypos and was quick to get glucose syrup into my mouth once I had stopped fitting. She checked my libre and recorded a reading of 2.9. This was however the first time I'd ever had a seizure in my life but as a previous carer she was experienced with tonic clonic seizures. After a few minutes I had regained consciousness and as I "returned to the room" I was immediately aware that something was very wrong. Both arms were in unimaginable pain and I couldn't move them.

Fortunately my entire family were with us in the airbnb and supported my partner with getting me some help. My brother called for an ambulance which eventually arrived after 4 hours. Yep, 4 hours with both shoulders very much out of their sockets with no pain relief. That part was just excellent! They eventually arrived and got the morphine pumping which I quickly learnt makes me projectile vomit shortly after administration which made the 40 minute ambulance journey to A&E more comical than it should have been.

Shortly after I arrive at Gloucester Royal, 150 miles away from home, I'm sedated and have both my shoulders relocated. Well actually I don't, because they couldn't get the bloody things back in, so off to theatre I go for a second and thankfully successful attempt. I then wake up on a ward and am told that unfortunately both shoulders were broken from the impact of the dislocation.

For those that want the details - my left shoulder dislocated anteriorly and had an avulsion fracture of the Greater tuberosity. My right shoulder dislocated posteriorly and had an avulsion fracture of the lesser tuberosity. This is exceptionally rare and is really only seen as a result of seizures or electrocution. Unfortunately for me the majority of this damage was caused by my build - I have weight trained (bodybuilding/powerlifting) for over 15 years and was 16 stone and muscular. From all the years of training my tendons were extra strong and thick. In any normal case the tendons of the rotator cuff muscles would've just snapped but mine remained firmly in place, ripping the bone off of itself instead.

Skip ahead 3 weeks and I'm back home (and after an argument with the first surgeon I was assigned who genuinely wanted to do nothing but advise physiotherapy and suggest I just deal with being partially disabled for the rest of my life) had been granted surgery on both shoulders to repair them following a second opinion. I had open reduction internal fixation of the proximal humerus on both sides to reattach the broken bone and the rotator cuff tendons to which pulled them apart! Following a successful 6-hour surgery I am now part-man, part-mecano with some impressive metal work/screws in each shoulder with a lengthy 12-month recovery process of mobility and strengthening work in the hope of regaining 80-90% of my original strength and range of motion back.

I've attached some pre and post op xrays for your viewing pleasure!

Recovery so far has been the most challenging thing I've ever had to endure in my life but I am making progress and doing everything I can, from supplementation to 90 mins of physio every day, to keep me going. It's been hard to sleep, I have been completely disabled for weeks with both arms immobilised and luckily had a partner willing to wash and dress me (and the rest!) but as I approach 8-weeks post surgery I'm slowly returning back to some form of "normality". The hardest part for me has been watching all of thay hard earned muscle on my upper body just disappear, and not being able to get in the gym to throw some weights around as I have done for 15 years to depressurise my brain.

The biggest question I imagine most of you who've made it this far is - well how the hell did this happen? And unfortunately this is one of those really annoying stories that doesn't have an answer. Despite this, I feel all of it could've been avoided entirely if I hadn't of turned off my libre low alarm before going to bed. Rookie error clearly and something I'll never do again, and would advise you to do the same!

I think its easy for others to judge but when you've lived with this for some time you learn patterns and how your body works. It's very common for me to dip a little low around bed time for my body to continue digesting food overnight and rise back up to where it needs to be. Unfortunately on this occasion I was wrong and paid the price. Interestingly the lowest recorded reading that evening just before the seizure event was 2.9. I say its interesting because I've had hypos lower than that before that have never resulted in something remotely close to this.

I've been told by my diabetes team that hypoglycemic seizures are a bit of a medical anomaly with no real warnings or indications. I appreciate that what I've experienced is exceptionally unlucky and rare, and that it will (fingers crossed) never happen to me again, or anyone else for that matter.

I haven't been able to find a huge amount about them online and would really appreciate anyone else reading this who has experienced similar to share with me your experiences. I'd also welcome any advice on what to do from a DVLA point of view. Their website (from what I can decipher through the legal wording) and the Diabetes UK website state that you do not need to inform them of a seizure caused by a nocturnal hypo. Contradictory all consultants I've seen at the hospital have told me to speak to the DVLA as I've had a seizure!

I will attach to this post my libre data from the 48 hours pre and post seizure for info. Again, this is a pretty normal looking day for me with a few short hypos sprinkled in throughout. From a diabetes management perspective I have always had a mild phobia of running high and experience hypos regularly, completely unintentionally of course but a by product of trying to keep things as tight as possible. I know this isn't good enough and am working with the Diabetes team to potentially move over to a closed loop pump system to improve this.

I'm certainly not here looking for sympathy, I've had more than enough of that now to last me a lifetime, bur more as a warning and hopefully something you can think about moving forward. Who knows, perhaps if I had seen a post similar to this I would've thought twice before turning of the alarm?

Feel free to ask any questions if you have them and thank you if you've made it this far!

Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk,

A.
 

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SimonP78

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That sounds horrible, I'm really sorry to hear what you've gone through, but thank you for writing it up - hopefully sharing it is some form of catharsis.

Re the CGM value, they quite often have an offset for me (I use XDrip+ to try to remove as much of it as possible - using a couple of finger prick tests per day to calibrate) and they also don't necessarily read very accurately when outside of the normal range. A finger prick test would be better, but even those are not necessarily very accurate outside of the normal range. So I'd not read too much into the fact it only read 2.9mmol/l.

I also have a U-shaped overnight profile, until I don't (usually due to exercise or alcohol, or both), so typically set my overnight hypo alarm to something lower than ideal (3.5mmol/l in my case if the sensor appears to be well calibrated). I need to have a think about how to either better predict when the U won't come back up, and/or work out how to reduce the correction insulin I tend to have onboard when I go to bed, which produces the downward slope part.
 

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Thank you for sharing and for the warning. I will keep this in mind next time I'm tempted to set the alarms on a ridiculously low level. (I use DiaBox, not the official Libre app, DiaBox allows lower alarm settings. The official app is useless for me because my Libres always read lower than blood for me.)

As for your pictures, I smiled at the Libre on the x-ray, I never thought about it being visible, and I winced at the x-rays themselves, what a mess!

The screenshot of your pretty normal day shows a pattern of steep rises and steep drops, even though they are mostly in range. For myself, I don't like those because I can't predict where a rise/drop will end and I get tempted to correct (either way) too soon.
It may be worth looking into the timing of your insulin to flatten those spikes a little. Do you prebolus?

I wish you a speedy and (almost) full recovery, and buy your partner something nice for all their help!
 

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Impressive breaks, I love the gory stuff.

A hellish hard lesson to learn but hopefully you’ll get back fighting fit.
 
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I'm pretty sure I had a seizure during a pregnancy hypo 30 years ago. My husband thought I was dying, i(t was precgm so not much that could be done in the way of warnings.)

About 6 years ago I had a self inflicted (didn't have enough breakfast because we were going out with visitors) hypo when the hospital said I did have a seizure. I'm in New Zealand and they weren't worried about it because it was hypo induced, so I can definitely confirm that hypo induced seizures are a thing.

Now I have both a cgm and a pump and haven't had a severe hypo since the one 6 years ago, but your story is certainly a salutary lesson to all of us insulin users that hypos can be nasty.

The photos are very impressive and I hope your physio goes well.

Can't help regarding the DVLA as I haven't lived in the UK for 25 years but hopefully someone else will soon. Were the consultants at the hospital endocrinologists?
 

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I did some searching on the DVLA subforum and this thread might be of interest

 

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I’m sorry you had this experience, how scary for you both.

Sad to say I recently experienced the same thing, but without the shoulder drama thankfully. In my case, the second time in 2 years. I have now purchased from the pharmacist the inhalation drug Baqsimi . It is administered by a second person when you are not safe to have anything orally. There’s an informative web site. The process for procuring one maybe different wherever you are but you might find the website informative to help you and your healthcare provider determine if it would be good for you.

Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.

I hope I’m not breaking rules by passing this on. Apologies moderator if I am.
 

agylli

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I’m sorry you had this experience, how scary for you both.

Sad to say I recently experienced the same thing, but without the shoulder drama thankfully. In my case, the second time in 2 years. I have now purchased from the pharmacist the inhalation drug Baqsimi . It is administered by a second person when you are not safe to have anything orally. There’s an informative web site. The process for procuring one maybe different wherever you are but you might find the website informative to help you and your healthcare provider determine if it would be good for you.

Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.

I hope I’m not breaking rules by passing this on. Apologies moderator if I am.
Glucagon should be prescribed by your GP.
 

IanA123

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Sorry to hear of your injuries. I suffered from seizures 24yrs ago, only while asleep. They thought i was having hypoglycemic seizures but after a few nights in hospital they realised i was not dropping lower than 7, so they were not caused by a hypo. I was sent to for a brain scan which showed nothing abnormal, but seizures continued. Sent to neurology as epilepsy was suspected, so was put on epilem to try and stabilise the seizures. That did not work either, so more anti seizure meds were added. 4yrs i was still having sleep seizures until i asked for a referral to a different nhs trust and change of neurologist. 1st appointment took an hour as she went through everything and asked what had changed around the time the seizures started. Only thing that had changed was insulin, i was moved from Actrapid and Insulatard to Novorapid & Glargine. She went off to speak to another specialist, who came into the consultation and informed me that they would speak to their diabetes team.
I received a call 2 days later from their diabetes team asking me to attend, i did and was given Insulatard and Actrapid and told to stop taking the analog insulins i had been given. 3months later and i had stopped having the seizures during sleep. Took 6 more months before i could apply for my driving license back.
Has been 20yrs since last seizure, dvla no longer ask about them and i was discharged from neurology. I have been offered a pump/omnipod by newer members of the diabetes team but after i ask them to read case history those options are removed as they only use analog insulins.
It may be an idea to ask for a neurology appointment and possibly a sleep study to see if that uncovers anything you may not be aware of.
 

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What a horrid experience @ashleyp!
I experienced a few hypo induced seizures in the days before the CGM but none that resulted in such awful injuries as yours. I had a few where I lost muscular control and would shake uncontrollably; luckily there was often a couple of seconds warning and I could slide to the floor.
For the first couple of years after diagnosis I had a few when I woke unable to move parts of my body. This was all back in the days of pee tests when CGM was just a twinkle in a researcher’s eye.
I hope your injuries eventually heal well enough for you to enjoy physical activity again.
 
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Juicyj

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Wow @ashleyp I know you don't want sympathy but heck you have had a horrendous experience.

Agree HCL is the best way forward from this, the insulin suspension feature is a game changer for avoiding low hypos, it doesn't prevent hypos but it does help limit the low ones, alarms are incredibly annoying but as the pump will also vibrate when low, even if the phone alert is turned off the pump will buzz too.

I have a glucagon pen and glucose gel which are both vital for assisted lows.

Looking at your graph shows a yo yo effect, when we go low our livers also provide a dump to help elevate glucose levels and at some point in the next 4-8 hours it will need to restock, by keeping levels elevated at 9+mmol/l we can prevent the dip happening later, it does take some discipline both in how we treat the hypo but to then remain vigilant to prevent the dip later on but I have had days where i've not been on form and let it slide again but that's where the bouncy ball effect tends to kick in.

I also know an excellent private Orthopaedic Surgeon who specialises in shoulders in Leamington Spa, he treated my frozen shoulder and comes highly regarded if you need further help and also next time you visit the Cotswolds please message me for a coffee, be great to say hello.
 
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This is my 50th year of type 1 diabetes and in the early years had several nocturnal hypos that resulted in me fitting and stretching my muscles all over my body that resulted in me being in immense pain for about a a week afterwards , when I married the fits happened maybe twice a year at most and maybe then go a couple of years without any , my lovely wife would be awakened by the fits and when safe would give me glucose and wait for the recovery when I would come around with a complete memory loss and not knowing even who she was , a few hours later my memory would come back and would take 7 or more days to recover, this happened for several years and on the worst occasion dislocated my right shoulder which relocated on my trip to hospital the next day , I suffered from a very painful shoulder for many years but put up with the pain until recently when it has now become so painful that I am due for a complete shoulder replacement any time now , I have been blessed after 50 years with what I can say in the early years was badly controlled diabetes that I have had not one single complication and wish that if I had been able to control those hypos in the early years I feel I could say I feel 100% , so to any newly diagnosed type 1 use the technology keep those alarms switched on and god bless you .
 

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Had similar outages over the years (once 'came round' in a smashed up car, in a red light district.....its a long story) but as others have said - the tech saves me from anything like now.
My wife - bless her, used to keep me safe, but now has entirely been replaced by a smartwatch and a closed loop (hmmmm......) ;-)

While nothing is full proof - I'd rather be annoyed by alarms than waking up at the top of the stairs with blood pouring down my face (another 'outage').

Hope you can recover ok and keep going - have lost a couple of friends over the years who simply weren't very lucky (one fell off his door step at night and didn't recover).

Its a really dangerous game this T1 stuff - as my wife said, her stuff is horrible (chronic Rheumatoid Arthritis) but she sees T1 as worse - T1 could kill me at any point

Having said that - 51 years so far (so not doing too bad)
 

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Thanks @agylli i've got glucagon in the fridge, but baqsimi is inhaled, so much better, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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My wife did use Glucagon on me on a couple of occasions but said due to me fitting it became a bit dangerous trying to inject me , I did have a wristwatch device that detected sweat I used to wear but that became a bit unreliable and I did make a device were I sowed two lengths of copper wire into my mattress attached to a moisture detector I made but that again was about as much use as the wristwatch , if only the CGMs were available then !
 
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ashleyp

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That sounds horrible, I'm really sorry to hear what you've gone through, but thank you for writing it up - hopefully sharing it is some form of catharsis.

Re the CGM value, they quite often have an offset for me (I use XDrip+ to try to remove as much of it as possible - using a couple of finger prick tests per day to calibrate) and they also don't necessarily read very accurately when outside of the normal range. A finger prick test would be better, but even those are not necessarily very accurate outside of the normal range. So I'd not read too much into the fact it only read 2.9mmol/l.

I also have a U-shaped overnight profile, until I don't (usually due to exercise or alcohol, or both), so typically set my overnight hypo alarm to something lower than ideal (3.5mmol/l in my case if the sensor appears to be well calibrated). I need to have a think about how to either better predict when the U won't come back up, and/or work out how to reduce the correction insulin I tend to have onboard when I go to bed, which produces the downward slope part.
No problem, I'm hoping this will kick-start a bit of thinking for those that had a similar thought process to myself with nocturnal hypos.

I always said to myself "it's fine, if I have a bad hypo my body will just wake me up so I can correct it" - little did I know this would happen.

I forgot to mention also that my other half did do a finger prick test around 10 mins after I regained consciousness post glucose and that still only read 3.1, so it was certainly low.