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My low carb/IF Diet - BG and progress

Debs, I think you a placing far too much emphasis on your fasting blood glucose as a marker. I would advise you to stop taking it for a few weeks. Instead, pick another measure, say your pre-evening meal bg, and track that for a while instead. Here's why:

Fasting bg is affected by a heck of a lot more than yesterday's eating. Stress, pain, disturbed sleep, hormone rises and imbalances... None of those are under your control, and trying to spot a correlation between just diet and bg when all those other factors are going on is hopeless and just adding to your stress. And if you are someone like me, whose DP is affected primarily by cortisol (stress), then you are never going to get the results you want by using bg as your method of management.

By switching to (for example) your pre-dinner bg measurement as your daily 'marker' you could learn a lot. By late afternoon/early evening, you will probably see your lowest bg figure of the day. Those morning stress hormones are long gone, insulin resistance tends to drop over the day too. Hopefully it would give you a reliable and more consistent 'baseline'.

Personally, I used to see high 5s Before dinner (after 2 years of vlc and a fair bit of physiological insulin resistance). When I started 16/8 IF, I saw no change. When I started 24hr IF, my pre-dinner numbers dropped to the low 5s. When I gave up coffee I started seeing 4s for the first time in 3 years. I now consistently see 4s every day at that time, sometimes low 4s, even on non-fasting days. During the same period, my fasting bg has bounced around the 6s, 7s, and occasional low 5s and 8s with no pattern or consistency, although giving up coffee has lowered it a bit.

Give the pre-dinner reading a go, it may set your mind at rest, which is better than worriting about something (fbg) which is largely out of your ability to control.
 
Thanks Brun. That makes total sense and I appreciate you taking the time to write all that.

So from today then, I'll test before I break the fasting period and just track that along with weight and body fat. I would t say I'm stressed out over the readings - just get annoyed when I put in all the effort and numbers are still rubbish. Yesterday was almost stress free - had girls in holiday club til 4 then my friend took them to the cinema til 8pm. I got the house sorted and managed to sort out loads of other stuff too . Didn't get the best of sleep though...

Today is my third consecutive fast. I feel like I could keep going for a whole week and I'm toying with the idea. But I don't want to lose weight too quickly and be left with saggy skin, although a week here and there probably wouldn't do me any harm....

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Don't feel bad about it my last HbA1c was 27 but my FBG this morning was 6 if I test later in the day its usually in the 5's or even 4's so I think it is just the dawn phenomenon at a lower level than to used to be but still higher than any other fasting reading.
 
You are right! Hba1c is the Holy Grail so I also go by that but it being every three months means I need encouragement in the short term to keep me going. X
 
So just did fasting fasting bg after 5 attempts (couldn't get any blood, got frustrated, tried repeatedly) and got a rubbish 6.3! I'd have thought it would at least be in high fives.

Let's see what tomorrow brings....x
 
So just did fasting fasting bg after 5 attempts (couldn't get any blood, got frustrated, tried repeatedly) and got a rubbish 6.3! I'd have thought it would at least be in high fives.

Let's see what tomorrow brings....x

Deb - Whilst I'm not someone who encourages fiddling readings, like someone who stands on the weighing scales on one foot, at the edge of the scales, but who knows how many liver dumps you're having when you fats, and perhaps as it comes towards time to break your fast, you get a bit excited, which also can push the numbers up a bit. I would hazard a guess that after fasting for a day, or even longer, it may be akin to the more commonly recognised fasting test.

Expanding on @Brunneria 's suggestion, it might be best to test per-dinner and a +2 hr reading.
 
I wasn't able to test post dinner last night but this morning's FBG is a bit better at 6.0 so that's reassuring. I'm on my third consecutive fast today and weighed in at the same as what I was before the extravagances of last week so I'm pleased at that too.

Went swimming with the girls last night so think that's helped. It's the first time I've swam on an empty stomach and survived! I've also noticed since these holidays began, I'm not actually moving as much as I would normally. I sat on my **** most of yesterday so must do something about that. Arms are also looking wobbly thanks to not doing weights the past few weeks because it was too hot. Must get a session in today at some point too...

I'm so glad the weather is more manageable these days x
 
I wasn't able to test post dinner last night but this morning's FBG is a bit better at 6.0 so that's reassuring. I'm on my third consecutive fast today and weighed in at the same as what I was before the extravagances of last week so I'm pleased at that too.

Went swimming with the girls last night so think that's helped. It's the first time I've swam on an empty stomach and survived! I've also noticed since these holidays began, I'm not actually moving as much as I would normally. I sat on my **** most of yesterday so must do something about that. Arms are also looking wobbly thanks to not doing weights the past few weeks because it was too hot. Must get a session in today at some point too...

I'm so glad the weather is more manageable these days x

Get those wobbles sorted Deb:)
 
Did your mother tell you that you would drown if you swam on an empty stomach too? Mine did when I was a child.:)

Lol no but seeing as front crawl is so exhausting, I expected to suffer with dizziness or worse still, dramatically fainting requiring one of the lifeguards to jump in and save me....maybe next time eh?!

I think dieting makes me more imaginative towards the opposite sex!!!
 
Just finished reading this book:

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It's been a very interesting read and explains the relationship to cholesterol and heart disease/prevention. It also was very good at analysing low fat diets and their detriment to our long term health.

I wish all docs and the government would read this and change the advice that's killing those who want to swim with the tide
 
I love that book :) Read it as well. I still need to read my copy of Good Calories / Bad Calories .. it's pretty heavy compared to Why We Get Fat :) Have you read "The Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" by Phinney and Volek? I think you'd really like that one along with Taubes & Fung's books.
 
I love that book :) Read it as well. I still need to read my copy of Good Calories / Bad Calories .. it's pretty heavy compared to Why We Get Fat :) Have you read "The Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" by Phinney and Volek? I think you'd really like that one along with Taubes & Fung's books.

I got it based on your recommendation! I looked at the art but it's a bit pricy for me at the moment so I'm holding off on that one for now!

I do feel a lot more empowered when I read stuff that reinforces the philosophy of low carbing.

I'm going to do my 4th consecutive fast today. Bg this morning was 6.3 so still higher than I'd like and feel that the weight issue is holding me back on getting it lowered. Have also been taking readings throughout day and they're all in the 6s.

Was pretty stressed yesterday thanks to ex's antics and awful behaviour towards the girls. And yet they still idolise him. It's true that the treat em mean, keep em keen works on them. He really is a piece of work. Ended the day in bed with them watching a dad and eating cream with choc drizzle. Was nice but I probably shouldn't have eaten it so late in the day

We're going for a nice long walk today hunting gruffalos in a country park. Should be good if it doesn't rain! Cooler temperatures are much better for me though.

I also finally did my dumbell workout. Feeling more firm already and must continue with it alternate days.

Have a great day everyone!
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I've just ordered art and science book thanks to a surprise Amazon voucher I forgot I had! So for two books, it's only cost me £3!! I've also ordered a kids' low carb cook book which is supposed to be brilliant. I really want my kids who are carb addicts to significantly reduce their bad habits. I'm obviously mostly to blame and I don't think it'll be easy - especially with my eldest but I've gotta give it a go....
 
Today was a lovely day out with the kids and their friend. I had an adult to talk to all day which was delightful! Walked around a nice little orienteering trail and planned other trips together, as well as possibly going on holiday as a group next year!!!

Made it through my 4th fast. It's really not hard although I'm wondering if my body will start to reduce output and hold on to calories. I'm going to go for a fifth day tomorrow and then I think I'll go back to alternate fasts, although I can see my appetite being smaller. The challenge for fasting is definitely more mental than physical - I've noticed how quickly a hunger pang subsides and I'm left with thinking about food but not actually being hungry....the fact is, we live to eat in society these days and build our lives around eating. So easy to do and it's become habitual for people like me. Letting go of that has been liberating and scary at the same time.

I've also noticed how much better food tastes after a fast. It tasted good before but now it's amazing

I'm trying to be patient with my bg coming down and I guess my body is needing some extra time to change for the better after a lifetime of abuse. I just need to remember this during times of doubt. And if I can't, I know you lovely lot will remind me
 
Morning. Got a disappointing 6.2 this morning. Didn't test before dinner last night as it was just too hectic. We're off to the theatre today - first time the girls have been to a proper show so I hope they like it and behave in an appreciative manner! We'll be eating out tonight but I am going to be good
 
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