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My patience just ran out.

Pipp said:
How many of us have been there? Burnout!
Sorry you are feeling patience has run out @Guzzler.
I do remember when I first came here. Information overload. People are trying to help, but sometimes we can all get a bit overenthusiastic when we have found something that has worked for us, and sometimes a bit too overprotective about our own particular method if someone else suggests it is flawed.
Only solution is to take a step back, rest, reflect, be selective about information when you feel ready, and consider what might work for you in your unique circumstances. I would choose quality of life over quantity every time.
It would help if members were not too 'trigger happy' with leaping in with information too soon for new members. That can be overwhelming. Which is why the information provided by daisy1 has been compiled, just as a start point / introduction to encourage new members to acquire knowledge at a pace to suit them.
Hope you feel better soon, @Guzzler
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Unfortunately it is a fact of life that someone newly diagnosed will struggle when they first come onto this forum.. It starts with the absolute dichotomy that the Newbie info pack given by Daisy1 is in direct conflict with info given by their HCP team (if they are lucky to get any) and then it is also against NHS and ADA and even DUK and the governmental bodies responsible for our wellbeing. Also goes against mainstrem fitness/ health/ nutrition/ polular belief, What LC diets do is tear up the establisment rulebook and do the opposite of what they have learnt so far. Then they get replies from seasoned vets (veterans, not vetinarians) who have been through the turmoil, survived, and in most cases thrived. Often these vets are talking to the forum as a whole by sharing the latest advances and theories and these answers are often technical in nature. Information overload is rife simply because there is so much info, some proven, some not, that is continually changing so today's widget or tweak may be counteracted tomorrow by another bit of info. I have just been down this path and had to rethink some of my pillars of wisdom. So we learn to be adaptable,

Maybe we need to split the forum fundamenatlly, so that Newbies can only access the beginner slopes, and when they have established themselves a while then let them graduate to the advanced section.

My mother was T1D since she was 14, so I grew up with that knowledge, However we did not follow any specific diet, I never saw her test or administer her injections, and although I knew she was on insulin and had to steralise her kit and carry glucose tabs, I learnt precious little about D. I too was shocked when I was DX'ed some 10 year ago as a T2D. The Internet was in its infancy (dial up modems) and info was scarce. There was the Mercola website and the ask,com forum, but not much else. I had to teach myself almost from scratch. I had done rudimentary organic chemistry and biology at school, but only at a basic level. Then I discovered girls, and did different research that was far more interesting.

So now I have read a lot of very technical data on the endocrine system and metabolism, and a lot still goes over my head too, but I have learnt to cut the **** and filter as I read so I can precis what the author is trying to say quite quickly. It comes with experience and exposure to this type of info. A Newbie has other priorities and lacks this experience. So a Newbie will struggle with even the intro info, and be totally floored by the sort of posts I put up on the forum. Sorry but I have no easy way to make that simples. I share the tech info so that others may make their own research, and hopefully help me join the dots to resolve these pathways. If the OP is a Newbie, then I do try to be gentle, but once a thread is in full discussion, then I admit to talking to the floor instead.
 
Scott-C said:
This might sound a bit new age hippy but in recent years I've found that instead of viewing T as an enemy, something I'm constantly fighting, I think of it more as a bit of my body has gone wrong, so I need to help it, or, rather, me out. That way, it just seems more like co-operation than fighting. It's much easier to find peace of mind that way.
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I fight my meter. It lies !
 
I like your suggestion of splitting newbies from some posters @Oldvatr .
Some posts are too full on. Even for me to read.
Especially arguementative ones.
They can be embarising, in fact.
 
Hey @Oldvatr . You have raised a great point and is maybe worthy of a separate thread.
Bit of a minefield, but definitely a good topic to discuss.
 
Oldvatr said:
Unfortunately it is a fact of life that someone newly diagnosed will struggle when they first come onto this forum.. It starts with the absolute dichotomy that the Newbie info pack given by Daisy1 is in direct conflict with info given by their HCP team (if they are lucky to get any) and then it is also against NHS and ADA and even DUK and the governmental bodies responsible for our wellbeing. Also goes against mainstrem fitness/ health/ nutrition/ polular belief, What LC diets do is tear up the establisment rulebook and do the opposite of what they have learnt so far. Then they get replies from seasoned vets (veterans, not vetinarians) who have been through the turmoil, survived, and in most cases thrived. Often these vets are talking to the forum as a whole by sharing the latest advances and theories and these answers are often technical in nature. Information overload is rife simply because there is so much info, some proven, some not, that is continually changing so today's widget or tweak may be counteracted tomorrow by another bit of info. I have just been down this path and had to rethink some of my pillars of wisdom. So we learn to be adaptable,

Maybe we need to split the forum fundamenatlly, so that Newbies can only access the beginner slopes, and when they have established themselves a while then let them graduate to the advanced section.

My mother was T1D since she was 14, so I grew up with that knowledge, However we did not follow any specific diet, I never saw her test or administer her injections, and although I knew she was on insulin and had to steralise her kit and carry glucose tabs, I learnt precious little about D. I too was shocked when I was DX'ed some 10 year ago as a T2D. The Internet was in its infancy (dial up modems) and info was scarce. There was the Mercola website and the ask,com forum, but not much else. I had to teach myself almost from scratch. I had done rudimentary organic chemistry and biology at school, but only at a basic level. Then I discovered girls, and did different research that was far more interesting.

So now I have read a lot of very technical data on the endocrine system and metabolism, and a lot still goes over my head too, but I have learnt to cut the **** and filter as I read so I can precis what the author is trying to say quite quickly. It comes with experience and exposure to this type of info. A Newbie has other priorities and lacks this experience. So a Newbie will struggle with even the intro info, and be totally floored by the sort of posts I put up on the forum. Sorry but I have no easy way to make that simples. I share the tech info so that others may make their own research, and hopefully help me join the dots to resolve these pathways. If the OP is a Newbie, then I do try to be gentle, but once a thread is in full discussion, then I admit to talking to the floor instead.
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All newbies are different, some will appreciate and be reassured by the wealth of knowledge available. There is already a sticky called basic information for new diabetics which is fundamentally the same thing as Daisy's personalised response.

Maybe that response could be amended a little to explain a little more about the forum itself and the fact that all of the fundamental information a newbie needs can be accessed via daisy's own links, explaining that the members of the forum are available to provide moral support and explanatnso of things that you don't understand and not to get concerned if topics being discussed on other threads are over your head at first. - it will all be a fog at fist as it was for all members on arrival- but thing will become clearer over time?
 
Guzzler said:
Diagnosed less than three months ago and ready to slam the door on any and all thoughts of T2. For weeks I have been reading the advice and information on Diabetes and the more I read the more contradictions I come across. People arguing over which diet/doctor/excercise regime they follow. People at loggerheads over ketones and lectins what kind of fats they have in their diets. Youtube videos that go right over my head, advice from dn that bears no relationship that I can see to logic and gp nagging about statins.
But, and it's a big but, I feel like ****. When I asked about feeling hungry apparently I wasn't eating enough fat or had carb flu. The same goes for protein, how much protein is too much? I have a headache most days and it's not for the want of water. My bowel has never been so upset and I havn't experienced so much lethargy and fatigue for years. If this is a good way to live with Diabetes then you can keep it, I don't want to extend my lifespan by twenty years if it means living like a blummin invalid 'til I'm eighty.
In summing up my little rant I am declaring that I fully understand now why some T2s just give up because trying to get a handle on it when it has so many variables is like trying to knit jelly and I am just not inteligent enough to sort it out in my head.
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Ya , I hear ya , It gets better keep pluggin.
 
Sorry you are feeling like this but my philosophy is to go on the DESMOND course through your GP. From what I understand it's a one day course which gives you an oversight on your condition.

The philosophy for people with this chronic condition is: "You owe the condition, the condition does not own you...@ easily said than done.

I have been on an up and down journey with this condition but when things fall into place (and they do) you learn to understand and embrace your body much better.

I have had T1 for 14 years and I go to the gym everyday, which manages blood sugars. Please don't be too hard on yourself, treat this an an opportunity to understand yourself better in terms of diet and managing a process, because at the end of the day that is what it is.

Try not to be too hard on yourself and remember be patient with your wants and needs when it comes to blood sugar management. You may find do not understand and lack empathy but in time it's about you and your clinical journey. It's just like the old saying " you are hear for a good time not always a long time". Please try to write down what works for you. Yours dos and do nots. That's s good place to start, in time you will understand the condition better.

Like I said before, If you can book yourself on DESMOND I think your GP can do this for you.

Sorry for rambling on, hang in there and hope you have a great week.

Jason T1
 
So, I well and truly threw my dummy out of the pram. No one can chastise me as much as I have done this morning. I have embarrassed myself enough and have learned my lesson. It will not happen again.

The result of my hissy fit was a fasting bg of 9.7. It hasn't been that high for weeks but I have completely and utterly gorged myself on carbs for 24 hours and my bg isn't impressed. I had a a breakfast yesterday of weetabix (no sugar just semi skimmed milk) then lunch of two pieces of white bread, toasted and spread with thick cut marmalade. Later a roast dinner with three potatoes but I left out the garden peas. Now, you may think that wasn't much of a gorge and I was sated, it is the first time I havn't been hungry for weeks. It was sheer bloody mindedness that later, not hungry, I broke my favourite mantra. I had crisps and chocolate until I actually felt a little sick.
This morning I had what I can only describe as an epiphany. I am not hungry, no headache etc. So what I did was the same as any addict when they relapse, I feel normal because I had a carb fix.
My body is constantly telling me that LCHF is starving me, well that cannot be true. The truth is that I am still addicted and always will be.

I would like to thank you all for your support and your kind words. I have learned a valuable lesson, one that no amount of reading could teach me, I had to experience this relapse for myself to learn just how much further I have to go to understand my own struggle. I will redouble my efforts to gain control and carry on learning what is good for "me". Thank you all, again.
 
I am so pleased to hear your burn out was short lived and you have learned from it. :) I came very late to this thread, and when I did any musings I may have had were all said by others.

You never know, your day off may just have given your metabolism a bit of a kick start. Let's hope so.
 
Guzzler said:
So, I well and truly threw my dummy out of the pram. No one can chastise me as much as I have done this morning. I have embarrassed myself enough and have learned my lesson. It will not happen again.

The result of my hissy fit was a fasting bg of 9.7. It hasn't been that high for weeks but I have completely and utterly gorged myself on carbs for 24 hours and my bg isn't impressed. I had a a breakfast yesterday of weetabix (no sugar just semi skimmed milk) then lunch of two pieces of white bread, toasted and spread with thick cut marmalade. Later a roast dinner with three potatoes but I left out the garden peas. Now, you may think that wasn't much of a gorge and I was sated, it is the first time I havn't been hungry for weeks. It was sheer bloody mindedness that later, not hungry, I broke my favourite mantra. I had crisps and chocolate until I actually felt a little sick.
This morning I had what I can only describe as an epiphany. I am not hungry, no headache etc. So what I did was the same as any addict when they relapse, I feel normal because I had a carb fix.
My body is constantly telling me that LCHF is starving me, well that cannot be true. The truth is that I am still addicted and always will be.

I would like to thank you all for your support and your kind words. I have learned a valuable lesson, one that no amount of reading could teach me, I had to experience this relapse for myself to learn just how much further I have to go to understand my own struggle. I will redouble my efforts to gain control and carry on learning what is good for "me". Thank you all, again.
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Well done in finding your resolve again so quickly. The 'damage' is repairable. I do similar at Xmas and Easter where I take a holiday from my diet. I continue to test, and hold my breath as the meter ;thinks about it' then expel sharply when the verdict is given. However, this year my average bgl for both binges only rose by about 3mmol/l and then dropped back quite quickly. So I conclude that my LCHF keto diet for the previous year has actually repaired some of my IR and maybe grown replacement Beta cells? No proof, but possible explanation since I did not hold back the carbs and ate loads of snacky things etc in the festive week (Xmas Pud+brandy butter / Easter eggs a 'plenty). I was pleasantly surprised, and I have reduced my meds as a result.
 
letstalk1 said:
Ya , I hear ya , It gets better keep pluggin.
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When you cut through all the confusion, the most important step, that will naturally move you in the direction you need to go, is to get rid of the sugar addiction - and replace with real foods and that is painful and hard work, but it can be done.

Its not easy to give up sugar, potatoes, rice and pasta and any products that include flour or sugar and come in packets with food labels.

For many of us the " sugar addiction" does actually go away eventually - of course you will be tempted again but eventually it doesn't feel like you HAVE to eat it. ( or at least you recognise it really is special occasion stuff )

Instead simply eat the best real foods you can afford in moderate quantities ( main portion of protein - 3-4 oz) with as wide a variety as you can manage including meat, nuts, fish and diary and a a wide array of good quality oils ( e.g. coconut olive oil, butter) nd above round vegetables . If you don't like any of those now, you don't need to start adding them into your diet, as long as you can find alternatives you do like. If you do that while you read up and earn more about the concepts in terms - eating to your metre, or choosing to go paleo or LCHF or vegan or limiting proteins or focusing on fats or fasting or anything else more specifically defined. All of those things will start to come naturally once you find out how eating to your meter works in practice and you start correlating that to your personal food preferences .
good luck
 
Know just how you feel... My doc was on holiday when my T2 surfaced, so I was on my own for a while. Had my diet figured out myself by the time a dietician rolled around, and I knew more about stuff like hummus than she did by then, tell you the truth... I read a ton, books, online, whatever I could find, and started sorting out things that were doable for me, trying to get through the overload just by letting what I couldn't use go in one ear and out the other, and making notes of things that were useful. Small, managable notes!!!! Because for me, it's not just diabetes. Foods can be a migraine trigger, dairy is a problem when it comes to rheumatism, so are certain veggies and seeds in relation to irritable bowel, soy doesn't mix with my thyroidissues, my cholesterol is high, liver fatty, and my bloodpressure surprisingly low, and now it seems there's an uveitis-trigger in there somewhere as well... Bladibla... I can't use even a quarter of the recipies offered in most low-carb books and programmes. But, I did gather that low carb was a theme in multiple "eureka!" solutions, and the reasoning behind it sounded logical, so I just went with that. Tried different foods for a few months, see what I liked and what I didn't, what had adverse effects and so on, felt horrible for a while because of the sugarwithdrawal, (migraines, oof!), and tired too... But, once the doc was back in the mix, we kept checking, at first, if my new diet caused deficiencies (nope. I already was vitamin d deficient, but that's been a lifelong problem.). And after a while I could drop the metformin, treat the T2 with diet and excersize alone. My HbA1c is 39 now, and though I have a plethora of issues to deal with, I guess I'm feeling okay and semi-confident I'll make it through this, which is a far cry from how I felt a year ago. Or even a few months back, when burn-out hit me. It's all a bit much if you take it all on in one go, and when people are shouting 80 different dogma's at you, it's just not going to help. Give yourself time to just sort things through and see what works for you,(your body and meter'll let you know), as diabetes is and remains a highly personal disease. It doesn't have to happen overnight. Give yourself time to do whatever you need/want to do in your own pace. Slow down, take a breath, and be gentle with yourself: you've had a big enough blow to the head with the diagnoses. And if you truly believe you can't do this, and are willing to face complications and all those entail, then that's your prerogative too. It's your body, and your life, after all. But it'd be nice if you gave yourself a chance. I never could figure out numbers, words were my thing... But I got the hang of it eventually. Took a while though. ;) Good luck!
 
Hi @JoKalsbeek welcome to the forum. WRT Uvietis it could be something to do with your rheumatism. I had Uvietis for a number of years but they couldn't find a direct cause.
 
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