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OP hasn't mentioned doing an OGTT, he has mentioned his own post meal readings, which can be equated to a random blood glucose. WHO guidelines say that a random glucose of greater than 11 can be used as a starting point to query a diabetes diagnosis. The WHO guidelines also say that greater than 11 at two hours post OGTT is what is looked for - https://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_u...itoring/New_diagnostic_criteria_for_diabetes/

In terms of unintentional weight loss, while the weight loss is unintentional in that OP doesn't want to be losing weight, I think common sense suggests the cause of the weight loss is the restricted diet he is following. He says he lost 30lbs since starting LCHF. He says he barely gets 2000 calories a day according to his MFP tracking - 2500 calories per day is what is generically recommended for weight maintenance in men - http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1126.aspx?categoryid=51

Are you a HCP @sud5nala ? Out of interest, what is your diagnosis - have you been given your diagnosis formally, by a qualified medical professional?

OP said prediabetes, not diabetes. OGTT result of 11 is diagnostic of diabetes, not prediabetes.

I agree, his statements indicate he persisted in a weight reducing diet to the point of becoming gaunt.

In my earlier reply, I documented two sections of misinformation arising from (1) confusing prediabetes with diabetes; (2) being misinformed as to what are normal postprandial blood glucose values. I quoted from a diabetes clinical manual. If there is a gracious acknowledgement of these points, then I will be inclined to provide the personal disclosure requested.
 
OP said prediabetes, not diabetes. OGTT result of 11 is diagnostic of diabetes, not prediabetes.

I agree, his statements indicate he persisted in a weight reducing diet to the point of becoming gaunt.

In my earlier reply, I documented two sections of misinformation arising from (1) confusing prediabetes with diabetes; (2) being misinformed as to what are normal postprandial blood glucose values. I quoted from a diabetes clinical manual. If there is a gracious acknowledgement of these points, then I will be inclined to provide the personal disclosure requested.

I thought I did ask politely, but i was typing on my phone on a train. I didn't really think of it as requesting personal disclosure (diabetic status on a diabetic forum) but of course if you think of it like that and you are not comfortable sharing then there is no obligation to do so.

Like I said, I was just asking out of interest and I'm afraid I'm not sure I'm interested enough to comply with what does feel like quite a strange requirement from you.
 
Postscript: I leaving my original post as is, below. But actually, it boils down to this. "Diagnosing diabetes or prediabetes is almost entirely done by test results. If certain numbers are right, then it's 'right, your card is marked' for you! Only under arcane medical exceptions can you have these numbers disregarded. Therefore, a person can diagnose themselves by those numbers. And in my case, the European standards don't apply; use the American." :)
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Recalling that I have put some A1c tests in my signature, I saw the light: all I should need to do is elaborate on them. Wrong conclusions can be drawn if one hasn't learned the highlights of the theory of normal and abnormal of glucose metabolism.

The sequence of my A1c measurements is, in part: 6.0, 6.3, 5.5, 6.2, 5.9 (42, 45, 36.5, 44, 41). These were all done in clinic. The samples are intravenous. As a first step to interpreting the results, consider the test threshold. We all already know what that is, right? Although there's a pitfall here!

Next step: what are the ifs, ands, and buts? Now, personally I doubt the scientific validity of this test. Not for most people tested. For most people, I don't know, for 3/4, the test will be accurate. The other patients test too high or test too low, because there are interferences, which are physiological or genetic factors that can invalidate the measurement. Unfortunately, in regard to most of these interferences, they are not quantifiable and there are no official standards for adjusting the A1c result or discarding it on account of them. But if someone is asking official of me, the A1c's are official.

Among the HbA1c interferences are 4 or 5 genetic mutations in haemoglobin which summarily invalidate certain brands of A1c. "Brands"? You see, there are many manufacturers in the A1c market, and there is an agency (NGSP) that is charged with testing their tests to detect susceptibility to the haemoglobin mutations. Some manufacturers have multiple brands of A1c assay. The agency tests all brands to see if they give false results in individuals with, say, mutated HbE. The agency does this for all the haemoglobin mutations. The list of invalidities can be found posted online at the agency's Website.

However, these mutations occur almost exclusively in people with non-European ancestry. If your "HCP" does not advise you of the existence of these mutations and these A1c interferences, you will be ignorant that you could check your clinic's brand of A1c test against the invalid list. Then again, if you have no subcontinent, Far Eastern, Arab, or west African ancestry, there is no point in checking. It is the "HCP's" scientific responsibility to suss out whether a patient has one of these ancestries, and in case of yes, to consult NGSP's list and, erring on the side of caution, use only a brand that has proven insensitive to that mutation. (Just as most Europeans do not have dwarfism, most of the members of these racial communities will not have the haemoglobin mutations, so it would be a waste of money to test for them routinely.)

However, in case of any other interference, such as low red blood cell count, there is no possibility of disputing the A1c result. Although the authorities (including WHO) recognize that a low red cell count entails a falsely high A1c (Google on A1c interferences), this is purely a qualitative acknowledgement. If a patient with low RBC tests at 48, the medical power structure affords them no recourse to claim, "I'm really prediabetic because my RBC measures X".

Aside from actual beta cell disease, there are miscellaneous phenomena that can cause high BG. Examples are medication toxicity, or an exotic endocrine problem from outside the beta cells. Unfortunately the burden is, in effect, on the patient to prove that one of these processes is present. Some possibilities of medication toxicity are not acknowledged by the "establishment". Then the establishment won't listen if the patient protests that their hyperglycaemia occurred fast on the heels of one of those.

In conclusion, with the few, strict exceptions laid out above (eg, you prove you have a rare, non beta cell tumor that is making you seem to be a diabetic), two A1c blood test results (confirmation is mandatory, just as with HIV) summarily classify one as normal, prediabetic, or diabetic -- no qualified professional interpretation needed. Put another way, the clinical standards for diagnosing diabetes afford licenced HCP's little objective basis for disregarding the A1c result, although maybe: does their licence bestow on them total subjective discretion to do so? Therefore, a patient needs no validation by a licenced HCP to believe themselves pre-D or D. A patient needs validation by a licenced HCP only to thwart a positive diagnosis. How many GP's do you suppose go looking for reasons to overrule the A1c result?

Back to the topic of what really is the diagnostic threshold of pre-D? Here's the last caveat. In Europe and Canada, prediabetes begins at 42. But in America, it begins at 38.7; and I'm in America. In the UK, you would be correct to say that I have rated as prediabetic in only 3 out of 5 test results. But in America, it has been 4 out of the 5, including the latest one, which is one month old. Moreover, even using the European threshold, it's more important that I've been objectively -- yes, not officially, but objectively -- pre-D for half of the last 3 years; and that I keep crossing the threshold.
 
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So what you're saying @sud5nala, is that based on reading various resource son the Internet, you think you're pre-diabetic and you're fairly certain you don't have any of the rather more rare possibilities?
 
@sud5nala The topic is the OP's desire to put on weight. If you would like to discuss differences in diagnostic levels or your own experience, it would be best to start your own thread. Your posts can be moved from here into that thread, if you wish :)
 
When I say I don't trust BMI, I mean that I think they are too generous. Meaning that someone can be underweight, but BMI might say it's normal.

It's only complex carbs that I can tolerate. I can't tolerate fast carbs. Some fast carbs will spike my BG with less than 20 grams. Anything above 30 grams will get me to 140-175. 175 is the peak. 40 grams might get me there, but so could 60 grams.

My suspicion started with my symptoms. I developed feet neuropathy through out the years. Anytime my BG rises my feet will burn and sweat. I can actually feel when my blood sugar rises and drops.

Both sugar and starch effect me equally.

I really want to thank everyone for the kind words, advice and information. It truly means a lot.
 
When I say I don't trust BMI, I mean that I think they are too generous. Meaning that someone can be underweight, but BMI might say it's normal.

It's only complex carbs that I can tolerate. I can't tolerate fast carbs. Some fast carbs will spike my BG with less than 20 grams. Anything above 30 grams will get me to 140-175. 175 is the peak. 40 grams might get me there, but so could 60 grams.

My suspicion started with my symptoms. I developed feet neuropathy through out the years. Anytime my BG rises my feet will burn and sweat. I can actually feel when my blood sugar rises and drops.

Both sugar and starch effect me equally.

I really want to thank everyone for the kind words, advice and information. It truly means a lot.

Adding fat to carbs is a good way to slow down any blood sugar spike. We all react differently to carbs. Some spike one person, but are fine for another.

Can I ask when you were diagnosed with coeliac disease? When you were diagnosed, did you mention the neuropathy to your doctor? I ask because a family friend was diagnosed around age 60 and tingling hands and feet were one of her symptoms.
 
Have you had conformation from a doctor that you have foot neuropathy and coeliac disease. A lot of what you say seems to me to be stress related which of course does raise BG. You say you want to put on weight but if you are constantly worried about things that could be enough to prevent that so try to relax a bit more
 
Saw an echo doc and he told me I have some insulin resistance,
So that IS your diagnosis and the cure is very, very simple indeed. Forget changing your diet. Go to the gym. the single effective cure for insulin resistance is exercise, preferably weight bearing. The rest of your diet can stay the same as it was before you started hunting for a dietary "cure".
 
Have you had conformation from a doctor that you have foot neuropathy and coeliac disease.
In post #16, he mentioned the celiac detected by endoscopy.

@jkrc717, I would emphasize again that prediabetes and diabetes develop slowly. For a while to come, you'll be better off than a fully diabetic person (except could the foot symptoms be urgent?). The complications of retinopathy and nephropathy in particular progress very slowly and doctors can monitor them with regular exams. So, for an action plan, you can eat more and monitor certain clinical signs, which are especially relevant to T2, and thereby reduce the sense of not knowing the progress of the disease. Blood pressure control is the most important target, according to every source for laypeople or doctors that I've read. Also, control TG. For glucose control, again, Dr. Bernstein's book teaches very low carb. Remember, meat and starches have less calories than fats, anyway. With the foot symptoms, I can imagine now why you're strict with carb intake. Hope you can get those symptoms definitively diagnosed as neuropathic or whatever they are.

40 g of slow carbs and you get to 175 mg/dl (9.8). Could you spell out more detail about "175 is the peak" and "60 g can do it too"? Is BG clamped at 175 no matter how much starch (to a certain limit)? How long until fasting level gets restored? Also, what's the longest you've flattened out at 175? I once flattened out at 180-185 for 1/2 hour.

Keep in mind that there are several types of diabetes. You could have T2, LADA, or MODY. To get diagnosed can be an ordeal because some diagnostic tests are expensive, you may need to see specialists, and health care access may be scanty. Look up nondiabetic causes of symptoms. Eg, some people report having two endocrine disorders. Sorry, the research load is mushrooming! It strikes me those foot symptoms sound intense for someone who is only 40, and not chubby. To me, this makes the unlikelier varieties (LADA, MODY) a little likelier.

I got my fasting plasma insulin measured. This is test is easily available, and it might narrow down the diagnosis a lot.

I take your point that BMI of, say, 20 isn't OK just because the medical establishment sets the threshold at 18.5.
 
@azure I was diagnosed with celiac disease a little over 2 years ago. They did a biopsy that confirmed it. Yes, celiac disease can cause this so there's no way to really know. I've been gluten free for over 2 years and i'm not any better.

@Pinkorchid I have had an anxiety disorder for 15 years. Stress has been a big part of my life. Stress is a big deal so you are absolutely correct. Disease/sickness sometimes gets the best of you, but I do my best.

@sud5nala I really cannot give you a straight answer about my numbers. The highest BG reading I ever had was 175. I ate two large potatoes. So it was anywhere from 60-80 grams. Different food effect me differently. Sometimes my readings aren't consistent. I ate about 35 carbs worth of brown rice. My peak was 118 which I was very happy about. Next day I ate the same thing and it peaked at 138 which is still fine(to an extent). So anytime I eat approximate 40grams and up my peak will be anywhere from 140-175. I don't test very often anymore. I've learned what I can tolerate. So I've kept the grams under 40 anytime I do eat carbs.

If you all don't mind.. let me explain how this all started and the situation I'm in now.

15 years ago I developed an anxiety problem. It took me a few years, but learned everything I needed to learn about the disease and I was able to keep it under control. It still attacks me, but I learned to deal with it. I've learned how to tell the difference between being sick and having an anxiety attack.

5 years ago I started to get occasionally sick. Fatigue, weakness, trembling, dizziness.. my feet would get very warm. Other symptoms very similar to diabetes. Other symptoms that is hard to explain. For 3 years I would see a doctor on and off. Numerous blood tests would come back normal so they always chalked it up to anxiety. I knew they were wrong. I knew it wasn't anxiety. I KNOW what anxiety is, but I still decided to trust my doctors.

I was gradually getting worse. A little over 2 years ago I went to see a new doctor. Immediately my doctor blamed my anxiety, but still did blood work and everything came back normal. Again my doctor blamed anxiety. I asked about diabetes, but my fasting BG was normal. At this point I was also having some stomach issue's and my doctor sent me to a GI doctor.

My GI doctor said the same thing. He blamed anxiety.

At this point I was very upset so I took it upon myself to do my own research and try to figure this out because I knew it was not anxiety.

I bought a diabetes test kit and discovered my BG would spike too high after 1 and 2 hours or eating a lot of carbs. That's when I started my low carb diet. I went back to see my doctor and she said it was normal. She refuses to look deeper into it. I would argue with my doctor.

I went back to see the GI doctor and we'd also argue. He finally agreed to do an endoscopy. He found gastritis, but at that time didn't perform any biopsies. I was again upset because something was actually found and if I didn't fight I would have never known I had gastritis.

I then decided to get every copy of every blood work and all other tests I've done and study it. Learn what everything means. I found that my blood platelets were a little lower than normal. Went back to my doctor and she only then noticed it when I showed her. She sent me to see a hematologist(blood doctor/cancer doctor).

Long story short, I went through hell with the hematologist. Lots and lots of blood work. Everything came back normal. We did a bone marrow biopsy and thank God that came back normal. The hematologist had no diagnosis.

Went back to see my GI doctor. He saw the blood platelets were a little lower than normal and he immediately suspected celiac disease and ordered another endoscopy to do a biopsy. He was quite brilliant actually. It is unknown whether celiac disease can cause low blood platelets. So for him to suspect it, do a biopsy and confirm it was brilliant.

So celiac disease may be the reason for my many, many problems. However, I've ben gluten free for 2 years so I'm still not convinced. The issue of high BG still remains.

I saw a neurologist for my trembling. The trembling is bad now. He said it's not parkinsons disease. He diagnosed it as an essential tremor that he says is genetic. We did an EEG to rule out other possibilities and that came back normal.

My doctor and GI doctor are back at calling all my other problems anxiety. They won't budge this time no matter how much I fight.

I saw an endocrinologist to try to settle this diabetes problem once and for all. Based on everything I told him and the numbers I told him I get he agreed that I do have some insulin resistance, but that I need to stay away from fat and not carbs.

Just today we scheduled some blood work. To check my A1C again and fasting BG. I asked for a GTT and he refused. Said it's not necessary.

So now what do I do? See yet another doctor?

I proved all my doctors wrong. I took it upon myself to fight for my health and figure out what's going on. I knew it wasn't anxiety. I KNOW what anxiety is. I lived with it for 15 years.

Don't get me wrong, doctors are great. They save lives, but I urge each and every one of you to not rely on doctors. You have to take it upon yourself to do what you have to do to in order to be healthy. Fight the doctors if you have to.

Now I'm just taking things day by day. Trying to do whatever I can to get better. Putting on weight is my top priority at the moment.

Thank you all.
 
Low platelets is not bad, at least not "low, in the low end of the reference range". All other factors considered, it lowers the risk of heart attack because the blood is less likely to clot.

With fasting plasma insulin and fasting plasma glucose, you can calculate your insulin resistance. Then you plot it on an online graph to compare yourself to normal.

The advices that there's IR, stay away from fats. Some people have impaired digestion, but I've been studying diabetes for 3 years and I don't get the connection between prediabetes therapy and low fat. Could be the old high carb low fat theor. Even if you have high TG, on diets like Atkins or paleo you eat high fat and achieve TG reduction. The threshold for TG being too high is 150 (1.7). Mine is 87 (1.0), down from 97. Good values for blood pressure, TG, and HDL are each signs of low IR.
 
@azure I was diagnosed with celiac disease a little over 2 years ago. They did a biopsy that confirmed it. Yes, celiac disease can cause this so there's no way to really know. I've been gluten free for over 2 years and i'm not any better.

@Pinkorchid I have had an anxiety disorder for 15 years. Stress has been a big part of my life. Stress is a big deal so you are absolutely correct. Disease/sickness sometimes gets the best of you, but I do my best.

@sud5nala I really cannot give you a straight answer about my numbers. The highest BG reading I ever had was 175. I ate two large potatoes. So it was anywhere from 60-80 grams. Different food effect me differently. Sometimes my readings aren't consistent. I ate about 35 carbs worth of brown rice. My peak was 118 which I was very happy about. Next day I ate the same thing and it peaked at 138 which is still fine(to an extent). So anytime I eat approximate 40grams and up my peak will be anywhere from 140-175. I don't test very often anymore. I've learned what I can tolerate. So I've kept the grams under 40 anytime I do eat carbs.

If you all don't mind.. let me explain how this all started and the situation I'm in now.

15 years ago I developed an anxiety problem. It took me a few years, but learned everything I needed to learn about the disease and I was able to keep it under control. It still attacks me, but I learned to deal with it. I've learned how to tell the difference between being sick and having an anxiety attack.

5 years ago I started to get occasionally sick. Fatigue, weakness, trembling, dizziness.. my feet would get very warm. Other symptoms very similar to diabetes. Other symptoms that is hard to explain. For 3 years I would see a doctor on and off. Numerous blood tests would come back normal so they always chalked it up to anxiety. I knew they were wrong. I knew it wasn't anxiety. I KNOW what anxiety is, but I still decided to trust my doctors.

I was gradually getting worse. A little over 2 years ago I went to see a new doctor. Immediately my doctor blamed my anxiety, but still did blood work and everything came back normal. Again my doctor blamed anxiety. I asked about diabetes, but my fasting BG was normal. At this point I was also having some stomach issue's and my doctor sent me to a GI doctor.

My GI doctor said the same thing. He blamed anxiety.

At this point I was very upset so I took it upon myself to do my own research and try to figure this out because I knew it was not anxiety.

I bought a diabetes test kit and discovered my BG would spike too high after 1 and 2 hours or eating a lot of carbs. That's when I started my low carb diet. I went back to see my doctor and she said it was normal. She refuses to look deeper into it. I would argue with my doctor.

I went back to see the GI doctor and we'd also argue. He finally agreed to do an endoscopy. He found gastritis, but at that time didn't perform any biopsies. I was again upset because something was actually found and if I didn't fight I would have never known I had gastritis.

I then decided to get every copy of every blood work and all other tests I've done and study it. Learn what everything means. I found that my blood platelets were a little lower than normal. Went back to my doctor and she only then noticed it when I showed her. She sent me to see a hematologist(blood doctor/cancer doctor).

Long story short, I went through hell with the hematologist. Lots and lots of blood work. Everything came back normal. We did a bone marrow biopsy and thank God that came back normal. The hematologist had no diagnosis.

Went back to see my GI doctor. He saw the blood platelets were a little lower than normal and he immediately suspected celiac disease and ordered another endoscopy to do a biopsy. He was quite brilliant actually. It is unknown whether celiac disease can cause low blood platelets. So for him to suspect it, do a biopsy and confirm it was brilliant.

So celiac disease may be the reason for my many, many problems. However, I've ben gluten free for 2 years so I'm still not convinced. The issue of high BG still remains.

I saw a neurologist for my trembling. The trembling is bad now. He said it's not parkinsons disease. He diagnosed it as an essential tremor that he says is genetic. We did an EEG to rule out other possibilities and that came back normal.

My doctor and GI doctor are back at calling all my other problems anxiety. They won't budge this time no matter how much I fight.

I saw an endocrinologist to try to settle this diabetes problem once and for all. Based on everything I told him and the numbers I told him I get he agreed that I do have some insulin resistance, but that I need to stay away from fat and not carbs.

Just today we scheduled some blood work. To check my A1C again and fasting BG. I asked for a GTT and he refused. Said it's not necessary.

So now what do I do? See yet another doctor?

I proved all my doctors wrong. I took it upon myself to fight for my health and figure out what's going on. I knew it wasn't anxiety. I KNOW what anxiety is. I lived with it for 15 years.

Don't get me wrong, doctors are great. They save lives, but I urge each and every one of you to not rely on doctors. You have to take it upon yourself to do what you have to do to in order to be healthy. Fight the doctors if you have to.

Now I'm just taking things day by day. Trying to do whatever I can to get better. Putting on weight is my top priority at the moment.

Thank you all.

Thank you for explaining all that @jkrc717

What I take from all that is firstly that you've had good news - cancer ruled out, EEG done and ok. I know you're still frustrated at your health issues, but I do think those things are cause for feeling good.

Secondly, I see that your coeliac diagnosis took a very long time. I can completely understand how that affected your trust in doctors and how bad you must have felt fighting for a diagnosis. Sadly, coeliac disease is often under diagnosed. I think I read that the average length of time for diagnosis is 13 years.

I am not a doctor, but I wonder if your symptoms pre-diagnosis were due to the coeliac disease and if you discovered your slight insulin resistance by chance and wrongly connected it to your issues which were actually being caused by the CD. I know you say you're still having signs of illness, but is there any proof these are due to your slight insulin resistance? Could they be due to your restricted diet or your health anxiety?

I would suggest concentrating on gaining weight and eating a much wider variety of foods for a few months, and then see how you feel.
 
@azure Beyond happy, but it's still frustrating feeling sick all the time. It really wears me down mentally, but I do my best.

It's very possible that celiac disease has caused all my problems. It's possible that I've had it for years without knowing and it gradually damaged me.

The worst part about everything was not knowing.

That's the goal at the moment. Trying to eat more and put on some weight. I just received a bag of pecans in the mail. So adding nuts to my diet is a start.

FYI, can't just go to any store and buy nuts. Part of the difficulties of celiac disease is cross contamination.
 
I understand about cross-contamination. I know it must make your life harder and your shopping harder too. Macadamia nuts are lovely too (one of my favourites).

Do search out more foods from all the food groups, and look at some easy recipes. You don't have to impress anyone - just make tasty food you enjoy :) I'm confident that broadening your diet and adding calories will put some weight on you :)

You said you were taking vitamin D supplements, I think? I take quite a few supplements and I do feel healthier for it. I also take probiotics and they help as well. Obviously you'd need to check they were suitable for you.

If you're looking for something relaxing to help anxiety, I personally found Tai Chi and also Mindfulness really calming after a stressful time in my life. Just another idea for you to consider or discard :)
 
Can you tolerate some whey protein in some homemade smoothies?
Can you add some dried skimmed milk into your normal drinks?

I was very thin.. Horrible.. Due to slow colonic transit but homemade smoothies have added weight on nicely...

To keep weight on and even add to weight you only need one glass of smoothie a day.

I have
1 apple
1 orange
1 banana
Blueberries and/or rasp
Spinach/kale or rocket
Yogurt and water or coconut milk or almond milk
4 tablespoons whey protein


Whizz and it makes 6 good glasses.
Then hubby n I drink over 3 days...

You can whizz anything in a smoothie..
 
Just today we scheduled some blood work. To check my A1C again and fasting BG. I asked for a GTT and he refused. Said it's not necessary.
The refusal of the GTT is not a big loss, at least if it's the oral GTT. This test has long been in disfavor and is administered infrequently. Specialists were happy to replace it with the A1c. The big problem is irreproducibility, inconsistency, of the results. Successive administrations are likely to yield one positive and one negative. But there are also arguments it is useless for predicting progression to diabetes and guiding treatment. Search for: diabetes care 2002. (PS: then navigate to the October issue.) In the table of contents, look for point counterpoint. This issue of the magazine offered pro and con articles. The intravenous GTT is even rarer.
 
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Can you tolerate some whey protein in some homemade smoothies?
Can you add some dried skimmed milk into your normal drinks?

I was very thin.. Horrible.. Due to slow colonic transit but homemade smoothies have added weight on nicely...

To keep weight on and even add to weight you only need one glass of smoothie a day.

I have
1 apple
1 orange
1 banana
Blueberries and/or rasp
Spinach/kale or rocket
Yogurt and water or coconut milk or almond milk
4 tablespoons whey protein


Whizz and it makes 6 good glasses.
Then hubby n I drink over 3 days...





I think I might try them,as I'm alittle under weight thx
You can whizz anything in a smoothie..




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