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Need help!!! Low GI diet

Emzie_86

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Hello ladies and gents
I was diagnosed on Monday with type 2 diabetes. The doctor told me I need to do a low GI diet, didn't give me no info on it. Just said I need to change my lifestyle intensely. Now I've been researching low GI diet when I get a chance and it's so confusing. It's not exactly the same as a low carb diet? I don't no how to put a meal together of low GI foods. I don't even no many low GI foods just some I've seen while researching. I need help!!! Can anyone explain the diet to me in dumb blonde terms?
 
Hi Emzie
Low GI and low carb are different things.
GI lets you know how fast the carbohydrates you eat turn to sugar in your blood. A high GI food becomes sugar pretty quickly and you can get a "spike" in your blood sugars. Lower GI foods turn to sugar more slowly so you don't get the bad "spike" as much.

Low GI foods are things like wholegrain breads, brown pasta, brown rice and most veggies. Higher GI will be white bread, normal rice, sweets and some fruits. Meats & fish are protein so don't really come into it much.

But, whether it's high GI or low GI, all carbohydrates become sugar eventually, and dealing with sugar is what us diabetics are bad at. So many folks on this site prefer not to eat carbs at all. We cut out all bread, pasta, potatoes & rice and eat lots of fat instead. Butter, cheeses, olive oil, eggs, avocados. It's known as Low-Carb-High-Fat, or LCHF.

The doctors will recommend that you go for low GI, but there are plenty of people around here who have ignored that and gone LCHF. There's plenty of detailed advice on both methods around here. Feel free to ask more if you need to.
 
I first bought the books about the GI Diet in 2010, and followed the ideas quite closely for 5 years.

In that time I didn't lose much weight and developed Type 2 Diabetes.

Maybe it's not such a good idea.
 
I first bought the books about the GI Diet in 2010, and followed the ideas quite closely for 5 years.

In that time I didn't lose much weight and developed Type 2 Diabetes.

Maybe it's not such a good idea.

Yes that's what happened to me too, but a few years earlier.
 
Hello ladies and gents
I was diagnosed on Monday with type 2 diabetes. The doctor told me I need to do a low GI diet, didn't give me no info on it. Just said I need to change my lifestyle intensely. Now I've been researching low GI diet when I get a chance and it's so confusing. It's not exactly the same as a low carb diet? I don't no how to put a meal together of low GI foods. I don't even no many low GI foods just some I've seen while researching. I need help!!! Can anyone explain the diet to me in dumb blonde terms?


Hi @Emzie_86 and welcome to the forum.

As a novice you will need some basic information and I will tag @daisy1 to provide you with some to help you understand the way forward.

If you are going to research low G.I. diets then I would recommend
http://www.glycemicindex.com
This site provides lots of information to help you understand. Not all low G.I. goods are diabetic friendly so it is trial and error to see what you can and cannot eat. You will need a meter and test strips and a food diary to plot trends and to see which foods you may have to eat a smaller portion of or they may have to be eliminated from your diet. It is best to incorporate all food groups in your meal as if you rely on a low G.I./low carb bread and just eat a slice of toast then your reading will probably be higher than if you added some protein and fat and fibre.

It looks as though you may have to buy your own meter as most Type2s are denied them due to cost and a postcode lottery. The cheapest is this one,

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

We do vary as to how many carbohydrates we can safely eat and you need to find how many are suitable for you, it is trial and error but you will soon get the hang of it. The trick is to read around the forum and as you go, ask any questions about things that you are not sure of.

Take it slowly as things will not change overnight and it is a marathon rather than a sprint.
 
Hi. Low-GI is better than high-GI but they are all carbs. The GP should have said to go for a low-carb diet, but that's NHS for you; way behind the diet facts.

Why??

For some,low Gi is fine as well, what matters at the end of day is your meter reading.

Or is there some reason why you believe, even if your meter reading is good, somehow low carb is better for absolutely everyone, regardless?

Sounds like a good doctor.
 
Hi, welcome to the forum :)

I think I would advise you to start off with simply reducing carbs, as I found this the easiest way of getting my bood sugar down to normal. After that you can afford to be a bit less strict perhaps and you may find that low GI/GL would suit you. Personally it didn't suit me at all and I put on weight. I started with cutting out flour products, sugar, rice and potatoes until my BGs were normal, then I experimented with adding things back in after testing with a meter.

Here's a couple of links that you may find useful:-

Low carb dieting guide for beginners at http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

LCHF explained www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I would read daisy1's welcome post first though.

And of course ask any questions you need to ask :)
 
@Emzie_86

Hello and welcome to the forum :) I agree with the other members that low carb is the way to go if you want. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking questions and someone will help when you need it.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello ladies and gents
I was diagnosed on Monday with type 2 diabetes. The doctor told me I need to do a low GI diet, didn't give me no info on it. Just said I need to change my lifestyle intensely. Now I've been researching low GI diet when I get a chance and it's so confusing. It's not exactly the same as a low carb diet? I don't no how to put a meal together of low GI foods. I don't even no many low GI foods just some I've seen while researching. I need help!!! Can anyone explain the diet to me in dumb blonde terms?

Hi Emzie

I too am recently diagnosed and have been given this low GI advice. There is some work that shows this is flawed, not the least of which is this article cited somewhere here. I've been lucky enough to have been given, initially at least, a meter and some strips. Testing my blood glucose levels indicates that, for me (and it will be different for other people), the GI index borders on codswallop. Porridge, for example, really raises my sugar levels quickly. I've slowed this down with coconut oil mixed in, but only a little. Bread, even wholegrain (and don't confuse wholegrain with wholemeal) does the same, regrettably even Burgen soya and linseed.

Have you had an appointment with a diabetic nurse yet? S/he usually follow NICE guidelines which are strong on low 'GI' but there isn't a lot of evidence to back this up because the GI tests are so dependent on individuals. If it works for you, go for it. My DN (diabetic nurse) seems supportive of my choice as long as it is working. Learn to test so you know what works for you! You might have to buy a meter and strips if your GP isn't sympathetic or your DN might give you one (they usually have loads to give away - it's the strips that are the price problem, but look on ebay).

I'm finding that the low carbohydrate high fat is working for me, within, paradoxically, a restricted calorie intake because I need to lose weight too. I use MyFitnessPal to set goals and log my diet. My blood sugar levels are decreasing steadily.

Good luck on our shared journey.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2015/aug/diabetes-doctors-criticise-nice-type-2-diabetes-treatment-guidelines-95013469.html .
 
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Why??

For some,low Gi is fine as well, what matters at the end of day is your meter reading.

Or is there some reason why you believe, even if your meter reading is good, somehow low carb is better for absolutely everyone, regardless?

Sounds like a good doctor.
Hi. Carbs are carbs whether Low-GI or High-GI. Yes, Low-GI should produce less spiking which is good. Carbs are converted to glucose which will raise blood sugar; we know that from our meters. That's why when I inject my insulin I increase the dose based on the carb content. GPs sometimes miss that point and suggest T2s have quite a bit of carbs yet suggest T1s carb-count to rightly control blood sugar. I think the point you are making is that we all vary with our diabetes and that is true depending on the degree of insulin resistance or pancreatic failure you have and the meter is can determine what is right for you. Did that doctor also offer a meter to help the patient determine how many carbs could be toleratedby them; usually not if T2?
 
I saw the diabetic nurse today. She didn't help with the info on low GI diet. I have an appointment with the surgeries trainer he does both diet and exercise I believe. So for now I am just doing low carb. I have lost 3 lb in 3 days so I must be doing something right, oh wait that will be cutting out all the **** I usually eat haha. The diabetic nurse said I don't have to stop stuff I just need to work it with the other foods I eat. I felt determined when she said it is still reversible at this point so I'm going to work my butt off to reverse it. I will do this!! We have just booked a holiday to Greece next year so I'm determined to have reversed it by then!! Wish me luck folks, I very well need it
 
Hello ladies and gents
I was diagnosed on Monday with type 2 diabetes. The doctor told me I need to do a low GI diet, didn't give me no info on it. Just said I need to change my lifestyle intensely. Now I've been researching low GI diet when I get a chance and it's so confusing. It's not exactly the same as a low carb diet? I don't no how to put a meal together of low GI foods. I don't even no many low GI foods just some I've seen while researching. I need help!!! Can anyone explain the diet to me in dumb blonde terms?
There are many misconception about low GI foods some says this food while some recommend another if you like you can found accurate list on this page http://acneblogger.org/top-10-low-glycemic-foods-for-acne/ just follow this and i am sure you will be fine. Best of luck.
 
There are many misconception about low GI foods some says this food while some recommend another if you like you can found accurate list on this page http://acneblogger.org/top-10-low-glycemic-foods-for-acne/ just follow this and i am sure you will be fine. Best of luck.

Many diabetics cannot tolerate even low GI or low carbs.
To many, a low GI carb is a carb and will spike them.
Most of the people on here would recommend eating to your monitor or meter.

Not one size fits all. I would believe it is the same for acne sufferers.
We all have different triggers!
 
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