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alandval

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Hi

I have recently been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes - no real surprise as my father and my eldest son both have it. Diagnosis came about as a result of an annual checkup at my local doctor's.
Am still at stage of wondering why my blood sugar level has gone up in the past year - as my diet, weight etc. are much the same .

Have just seen a mention that Glucosamine is a possible cause of increased blood sugar levels - and I have been taking Glucosamine for several years, but switched to Glucocasamin with Chonditrin about 18 months ago. Am considering stopping the Glucosamin/Chonditrin for a while - and see if that reduces my blood sugar level as well as what impact it has on the pains I get from my arthritis

Allan
 
Welcome to the Forum.

Increases BG levels are often down to diet.......what some perceive as a healthy diet is sometimes not particularly healthy if you are Diabetic ! Have a read of the information that Sue and I hand out to Newly Diagnosed.......it may help you understand things better.

Here is the advice that Ken and I, as Forum Monitors, usually give to newly diagnosed Diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

For more information on CARBOHYDRATE see here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20306&start=0

This is NOT a low carb diet suggestion, just a reduction in your intake of carbohydrate. You have to decide yourself how much of a reduction will keep your blood glucose levels in control.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.


As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work ! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!

For TIPS FOR STRIPS see here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19002&start=0

If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2010 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking and before meals).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l...(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals........................no more than 8.5 mmol/l.....( Type 2)

2hrs after meals......................... no more than 9 mmol/l ......(Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do at least 30 minutes moderate exercise a day, it can be split into 10 min sessions to start with. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Finally a few QUESTIONS TO ASK AT DIABETES CLINIC.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=17091&start=0



Ken/Sue.
 
Hi Allan and welcome!

This forum is a great place to learn about diabetes (though you probably know a fair bit already, with it 'in the family'), and one of the monitors or more experienced people will be along soon to pass on the Information for Newly Diagnosed which is really useful. (Edit: I see Cugila is ahead of the game, as usual :wink: )

I can't help you with glucosamine - unfortunately it has never had any effect on my arthritis/joint pain, and I stopped taking it long before I became Type 2! But I'm sure someone else on here will be able to help you.

Have a good look round and ask lots of questions!

Viv 8)
 
Good link from Daisy about Glucosamine. Here is another from the NHS West Mids Medicines Information Service back in 2002..........

http://www.ukmicentral.nhs.uk/therapeu/ ... samine.pdf

Whilst further long-term safety studies are needed for glucosamine, existing data
does not indicate that oral administration adversely affects hyperglycaemic control in
diabetes. Nevertheless, it would be prudent to monitor the diabetic patient for
altered response if they start taking glucosamine.

From the BNF61 there is a warning : glucosamine enhances anticoagulant effect of warfarin (avoid concomitant use)

Then there is this part of the conclusion from a meta-analysis of various trials etc published in September 2010.......mainly about the efficacy or not as the case may be.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/09September ... nefit.aspx

This systematic review and meta-analysis found that chondroitin, glucosamine or a combination of both do not have a useful clinical effect in the treatment of osteoarthritis. The supplements were also not found to be harmful. This study benefited from an extensive search for studies on these supplements, and made good use of all the data available by combining results in the network meta-analysis
 
Funny I had been suffering from arthritis for long time before Diabetes
Prescribed Arthrotec for it far as i was concerned that was best thing since sliced bread for my Arthritis

I also took Glucosamine at £25 a box for a months worth

As soon as GP found out i was diabetic refused to give me any more Arthrotec any more (NSAID)
When i stooped the Arthrotec i really did notice like removing a crutch
Later on GP gave me tramadol for my arthritis pain :)

However i continued with my Glucosamine until my Accident
I stopped taking it manly due to the costs and no longer working :?

I can honestly say I did NOT miss it ,When i stopped taking the Glucosamine
Nothing happened to my BG control or my Arthritis Good or Bad :?:
I had been taking Glucosamine for over 6 years solid?

So was it a wast of time taking it :?: and money
or had it done all the good it was going to ?

My view is I wasted a lot of money :oops:

Bob
 
Many thanks for such an interesting question! I have been taking glucosamine for joints after serious broken bones in a motorbike accident. I have been diagnosed 4 weeks now but wonder if stopping my glucosamine may help my diabetes. My conclusion (at the moment) is I'll give it a miss when the current tablets run out and hope it does reduce my blood sugar. I'm 1 of them without a tester so can't check for now.
 
Gappy and any others. If you phone the companys that make the meters they will actually send you one free but you will have to pay for the strips or see if you gp will prescribe (you do get about 10 free). Mine wont but if you cant you can get them from ebay (sorry if I am not allowed to say this and Ken/Sue please feel free to remove). Hope this helps - this is where I got my strips from :)
 
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