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new research shows how foods affect individuals differently.

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Mandy p, Jun 12, 2015.

  1. Mandy p

    Mandy p Type 2 · Member

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    An article in yesterdays Guardian (JUNE 11) described research which confirms the experiences of many of the wise ones on this forum. 1000 volunteers wore a blood glucose monitor which measured blood glucose every 5 minutes (Blimey!..where do you get one of those?...)
    The findings showed that the same food can cause spikes in some people but not others. The study also compared different diets of similar calorie levels but with differing ingredients. They were very surprised to find for example that bread and butter trigger less of a response than straight bread.They reckon that they will be able to come u with individualised diets and now realise that calories are not the only player.
    I know, I know....you lot have known this for years. But this is the ultimate eating to your meter, yes? And it is good to have what we already know confirmed by research...
     
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  2. Engineer88

    Engineer88 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Its called a CGM, a number of members (including me!) have them.

    They are fab but have their own drawbacks.
     
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  4. Squire Fulwood

    Squire Fulwood Type 2 · Expert

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    Now run that past me again. They found that....

    People are different
    Including fat in a meal lowers the GI
    Your post lifestyle change menu is individual to you.

    Wow, I must write this down.
     
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  5. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    I wonder how much that research cost the tax payer. If only they had asked me....
     
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    satindoll Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Or me, if they had a brain cell they'd be dangerous. :banghead:
     
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  7. graj0

    graj0 · Guest

    Ahhhh! Don't spoil their fun, they have made an important discovery.
     
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  8. Indy51

    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    Sad but true - there have probably been thousands of people who've controlled their BG by following the principles of eat to your meter, but unless some boffins "prove" it in research, then people will keep spouting "anecdotal evidence is not data". I guess the scientists have their uses.
     
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  9. andcol

    andcol I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    But you forgot that they sent 10 million in research grant on this.
     
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  10. MarkE

    MarkE Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Better on that than on their own payrises...
     
  11. Squire Fulwood

    Squire Fulwood Type 2 · Expert

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    It comes into the category of "No-one will listen to you until you do"

    I learned that Engineer Bernstein was not listened to until he took a medical degree. He devised the portable blood glucose machine and calculated all the insulin doses.

    I also learned that Professor of Nutrition Robert Lustig had to take time off to take a law degree so that the food industry will talk to him.

    I think the 10 million might be money well spent.
     
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  12. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    I think that the interesting and novel part of this research is not the part that most people have commented on. It's not really to do with fat slowing glucose responses etc. It's to do with how your gut bacteria affect your individual response.
    From the studies website:
    If you have the too many of the 'wrong' bacteria and not enough of the 'right ones' then that may be the reason for an abnormal response to some foods.
    If , as it is thought, diet can change the microbiome then eating the right type of diet may stop pre diabetes developing into diabetes. That's in the future. However you can't just use common sense or guess at the right diet for changing the biome . You need data .
    There are no answers yet because research is in it's infancy but the low carb diet, may avoid glucose spikes but not do anything to change your biome to a more protective one. ( There are indications this may be true but absolutely no answers yet; hence need for research ) http://humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you/
     
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    Squire Fulwood Type 2 · Expert

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    I agree and I think another 10 million should be ring fenced immediately.
     
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  14. Mandy p

    Mandy p Type 2 · Member

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    I think we should be pleased that more research is taking place into the fundamental physiological processes that give rise to diabetes. Also this research may contribute to the body of evidence that is required for official dietary advice to change. I agree that advice should be based on proper peer reviewed research. I just wish they would get on with it as I am convinced that erroneous advice about low fat diets and eating starchy foods with every meal etc is still being doled out to diabetics hundreds of times a day, doing more harm than good.
     
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    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    Interestingly, in view of one of the other threads going on, the most recent published research from this group involved producing glucose intolerance in mice and humans with artificial sweeteners. These changed the gut biome
    http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...tutes--Gut-Bacteria--and-Glucose-Intolerance/
    The paper was published in Nature
    'Artificial sweeteners induce glucose intolerance by altering the gut microbiota'
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7521/full/nature13793.html#author-information
     
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  16. Mandy p

    Mandy p Type 2 · Member

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    Just a thought...If official dietary advice must be evidence based and based on accumulated data (and I agree it should be), where is the evidence used to inform current advice to diabetics ie to eat plenty of starchy carbohydrates?
     
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    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    As I said earlier, I think this research is from a very different perspective

    But evidence for present guidelines:
    Recent SACN draft report on carbohydrates, it summarises most of the evidence that will be used for future UK guidelines. This is for the general population but includes sections on various conditions including diabetes but and also heart disease, colo-rectal health and oral health. (all of which are important to everyone; diabetic or not)
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...bohydrates_and_Health_report_consultation.pdf

    Jim Mann, was the chairman of the European committee that oversaw the last European diabetes dietary guidelines. He gave a lecture to the EASD on Carbohydrate quality (and quantity) a couple of years ago.
    He believes that the guidelines have been misinterpreted and advice can be confusing and unhelpful He cited the phrase from DUK about 'plenty of carbohydrates'.( I don't think that they actually use the phrase anymore. )
    In the video he says
    Link to a blog summarising Mann's lecture with a link to the actual presentation http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1069

    He has also very recently published a paper
    Carbohydrates in the treatment and prevention of Type 2 diabetes. ( includes and expands on many of the same points as in the lecture ).
    He points out that the original controlled trials that showed a benefit from higher carb lower fat diets
    http://qap2.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/dme.12673/pdf

    This debate has been going on for a very long time.
    From Diet, Delusion and Diabetes.L Sawyer and E.A.M Gale
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-008-1203-9
     
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  18. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    There isn't any evidence; look and you won't find it. So much for NHS evidence-based medicine.
     
  19. Celsus

    Celsus Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    For how many years has it scientifically been proven that e.g. intake of fat at same time of starch slows down the uptake of sugars into the bg? (your bread + butter example). Sure some of the low carb / Atkins specialists on this forum will know. Just surprised (AND disappointed!) that such research is still getting any attention, as its like all well researched and known dynamics.
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    Waste of good research money that should have been spent more wisely on diabetes cure research instead !
     
  20. catherinecherub

    catherinecherub · Guest

    No mention of different levels of amylase in human saliva.
    Scientists from the Monell Center report that blood glucose levels following starch ingestion are influenced by genetically-determined differences in salivary amylase, an enzyme that breaks down dietary starches. Specifically, higher salivary amylase activity is related to lower blood glucose.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120404144115.htm
     
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