New to it all

Knobbler2000

Newbie
Messages
1
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi guys.

I've been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes on Monday. Fasting glucose was 9.8 and Hb a1c was 8.6

Really confused over what I should now eat to be honest. One website say carbs are ok another disagrees.

Any advice for a newby would be greatly received. Also been prescribed metformin. Asked if it could be controlled by diet but got a resounding no !!!
 

daisy1

Legend
Messages
26,457
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
Hi Knobbler and welcome to the forum :)

This is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. As you will see, you do need to reduce the carbs regardless of what other forums, health professionals etc. tell you. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Daibell

Master
Messages
12,653
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi. Carbs are converted to glucose in the blood stream; fact. Low-GI carbs are absorbed more slowly so are the better carbs. Overall, keep the carbs under control and low-GI and high-fibre. An HBa1c of 86. is fairly high to start with but will come down as you go low-carb. The Metformin will help a bit particularly if you are a bit overweight and hence insulin resistant as most T2s are. It's a good drug with few problems. If it gives you stomach problems do ask for the Slow Release (SR) version. Most of us would advise getting hold of a blood glucose meter and measuring 2 hours after a meal to see what foods affect you most; good luck and do come back with more questions.
 

davemcn

Member
Messages
15
Hi Daibell, having recently been told I was t2 and given metamorfin and diet control, I was told not to get a bg reader.. Would you say it is a good move or wait until after my second hbmc1 result?


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 

Yorksman

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,445
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
I got a fasting glucose of 9.8 and was told that I needed an hba1c and another fasting glucose test. I got a few days grace before this so I cut down on my usual sugary diet. The docs called a day or so after christmas and asked me to go and see the GP. I saw him 12 days later. He told me that my hba1c was 8.7% and my BG was 7.6. I told him that the 7.6 had come down because I was trying to control it by diet and wanted to see if I could. They can't make you take meds so he reluctantly measured my waist, weighed me and sent me off with a see you in 3 months I bet nothing has changed. 'You'll probably be prescibed meds then'

Well 12.5 Kg lighter todays readings are typical of the past few days between 5.9 and 7.1. I am not going to give the old pill pusher any excuse to prescribe them. The 7.1 was at 10.15 pm two hours after my main meal which was finished off with a couple of clementines, a banana and a pear. I've just checked now and at 30 mins after midnight I am 5.4.

If you think you can give it a go on diet alone, you try it. It's ridiculous of the doctor to so emphatically say no, your readings are almost the same as mine were. Of course, only you know what you ate to give yourself that high hba1c, in my case it was sweets, choc bars and biscuits, so you have to decide whether you can do without whatever it was. If you were eating sensibly and still got high readings, then you might need meds but my guess is that the doc didn't even ask you what you typically ate in a day. He just looked at the readings and ticked the box in his head which says metformin. It's got to be worth seeing if you can control it by diet. My meter manual says the odd reading of 11 is nothing to worry about, only if that becomes regular should one see the doc.
 

Yorksman

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,445
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Knobbler2000 said:
Really confused over what I should now eat to be honest. One website say carbs are ok another disagrees.

Sorry, got irritated with the glib way the doctor treated you and forgot the practical stuff. Basically you need a meter to see what agrees and what does not agree with you.

For me the beginning was easy, stop eating sweets, biscuits and choc bars, even though it was christmas.

That dropped me from the 9 and 10s to the 7s and 8s. Losing weight and exercise then started to drop those lower.

I have found that white bread, mashed potatoes, white basically any starchy food like these causes my blood glucose to spike after a couple of hours. Oddly, a few new potatoes boiled are OK.

Brown rice and wholegrain bread don't increase my BG much. Three or four slices of a whole grain rye bread won't add more than 0.5 onto a reading. White bread will add 2.0. I am going to experiment with whole grain pasta over the weekend. I have even made some meals using pearl barley and that is fine too. Very good for soups and stews. I am mostly 5s and 6s now and only get up to the low 7s if I have bananas.