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New to metformin

Bpat20

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
hi my name is Brian I have been type 2 for approx 3 years now and managing on a diet ......until now. I'm gutted as my sugar levels have almost doubled in a year and as such I have now been put on metformin. I take the first one tomorrow. I have read a lot of the blogs here where people are saying its a good thing if it helps to control sugar levels. I guess I need to be more positive as I really don't want any serious long term effects, but I am still gutted that I could not manage to control this via diet.
It's so hard when every food has some form of sugar content. And then all the healthy foods cost more.....it's a nightmare.
Has anyone ever tried the reverse your diabetes diets? Do any of them work or are they all scams. Any advice would be welcome
 
I am newly diagnosed and been on Metformin for a week - I have felt better than for a long time, starting next day. I did low carb for a long time and once you get the right foods it is easy and enjoyable too. Look at Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution book for a low carb way of eating. I have gone back to eating low carb - I much prefer it to trying to lower colesterol by diet.
 
Thanks for that. I am trying to get my way through some of the materials as there are so many it's all a bit confusing and time consuming but it is vital that I find what's right for me......so onwards and upwards. Good luck on your diet, I wish you all the best and good health
 
Thankyou - I am down 4lb already, long way to go but it is a start.
My grandmother died from the effects of diabetes which went untreated for far too long back in the 1950s, so I have a real incentive to do well. I hope you can find the right way to manage it.
 
Hi Brian, and Resurgam too

Welcome to the forum. You'll get lots of support and advice on here. Ask your questions and someone, or two, is likely to have some answers for you.

Resurgam, well done for beginning to lose some weight. I've found LCHF is something that works for me and, like you, I find it enjoyable to eat. Also, being on my own, easy to just concentrate on protiens and veg/salads. I also am able to have a couple of dessert spoons of Muller Lite yoghurt (the lowest carb fruit/flavoured yoghurt other than Greek) with some cream and usually a few raspberries - love it

I'll just tag @daisy1 who will post some valuable information that you might find very useful

Good luck, guys
Julie
 
@Bpat20

Hello Brian and welcome to the forum Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. It contains lots of info about carbs and a link to the Low Carb Program which you might like to try. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @Bpat20 nobody has answered your other question about reversing. If you are thinking about a simple solution of pay this amount for the special snake oil then yes it is a con. It is possible to reverse type 2 for some; I am one of them. I did fasting for a period of a few months and am now T2 free (medically they say I am in remission at present). If you look in my signature there is a link to my 3 month journey which took me from an HbA1c of 91 down to 40 mmol/mol. Please also have a read of the material from Newcastle University's Professor Roy Taylor http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
 
@andcol has hit the nail on the bonce

Anyone claiming to have a "magic" diet/cure is almost certainly trying to pull the wool over your eyes, especially if they want to charge you for the benefit.

My HbA1c went from 88 to 32 in 3 months, and continued down into the low 20's not by following any miracle cure, but by identifying the foods that raised my BG, and then removing them from my diet.

Simples


Good luck
 
But Metformin is hardly 'snake oil'.
I have taken it for just one week and find that I am totally altered in how I move around. I was crawling up the stairs last Monday, by Wednesday I was going up slowly one at a time, by Friday after just four tablets of the stuff I was able to walk up normally until I reached the last couple of stairs, now I can go up the whole flight faster than for months, if not years.
I am sure that low carb dieting will make a difference in the long term, but the Metformin has restored hope and energy immediately. It is a new lease of life.
 
@Resurgam I wouldn't be surprised that it is the low carb more than the metformin that is making you feel so much better but each of us react differently to drugs. I can't go near the stuff without becoming very ill.
 
Metformin isn't "Snake oil". If one doesn't have side effects and tolerate it it could be an effective aid.
Not sure I said Metformin is snake oil anywhere! Go and read the OPs original post and not just the title especially the last question before you tell me off.
 
When it comes to Internet Forums, reading always appears to be of lower priority than typing
 
Surprisingly some of the best things in life is free...
 
I try to rephrase my reply. Metformin is not snake oil - if used with a tailor-made diet and some physical activity could work.
Metformin could have some unpleasant side effects, that one should be aware of, but I think that could help to control the level of fasting blood glucose quite well.
For me even without following a "special super secret diet" but a tailor made diet made by a dietician, that had a reduced carb intake did the trick. When following the diet and taking metformin never got my fasting BG level over 95 mg/dl (5.3 mmol/l) and HbA1C was 4.8% (5 mmo/l).
If I "relax" I'll find my fasting BG levels rising snd rising...

For some other person another type of diet will work, I don't know. But you don't reverse, you coul take in control - and for sure metformin helps.
 
@MikeTurin Let me restate. I replied to the OPs statement quoted now
Has anyone ever tried the reverse your diabetes diets? Do any of them work or are they all scams. Any advice would be welcome
I replied to this as it was ignored with the statement that there are many people willing to sell snake oil with the promise of a cure. Nothing about Metformin. I also pointed at the Newcastle University site from Prof Taylor on his research of reversing the T2 condition.

Sorry to hear you cannot eat normally still or have your fasting levels staying stable without medication. That, as you know, is not the case for everyone.
 

Hi Brian,

Well done for just managing on diet for so long... maybe your body just needs a bit more help now. Being put on Metformin is not all doom and gloom. It helps me considerably to maintain my blood sugars I'm usually around 5.5-7 mmols each time now. I'm not following the LCHF diet per say but I have cut out most sugars (I still have fruit) and reduced some of my carbohydrates (basically eating smaller portions). I feel a lot better since my metformin was increased to slow release 1G twice a day. I've lost weight, I'm less lethargic and I'm no longer sleeping 20 hours out of 24 any more. The other symptoms of diabetes have improved as well. I was on ordinary metformin 500mg three times a day as a pre-diabetic before hand but didn't take things seriously so became diabetic fully in September. The GP changed to slow release because I was having a few bowel problems which apparently is a common problem, so if that happens ask for slow release.

Give it a go if it dosn't suit you then discuss with your GP about trying slow release or changing to one of the other diabetic medications available. But having been a nurse once I can reassure you that Metformin is one of the gentler tablet's of the options available. I can't comment on any body else's experience but its working for me. I'd rather have to take a tablet than insulin any time, be grateful your not at that stage and hopefully never will be.

Good luck with tomorrow
Maggie
 
Thanks to all for the replies. Everyone has a valid point. We are all unique and what works for one may not work for another so I guess we all have our own discoveries to make. I will be happy just to get my blood sugars under control. They have been pretty high for a while.
My problem is discipline and learning to retrain my brain to try alternative options, before discounting them.
On that what's the best alternative to coffee, I love coffee but I believe it raises your blood pressure yet another thing I need to watch.
 
Why not try caffeine free coffee if you are worried about your BP.
 
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